Martin's fines are over 500K so far

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It still can be because Martin has $13 million in non-guaranteed base next year. Converting that to bonus, which means he gets it now as guaranteed money, would bump his cap hit this year to $13.5 million from $11 million and his cap hit next year from $23 million to around $15.5 million. We could go ahead and guarantee what would remain as base salary ($3 million) next year as well. That would be team friendly and benefit Martin because of the gurantees.

Now, it might take extending his deal a couple more years and adding another guaranteed year to it, but there's ways to make it work. If we paid him the $23 million he is scheduled to get next year, we'd be paying him more in that one year than he's made over any two-year period throughout this deal. So I really doubt we're going to pay him that anyway (it costs less to cut him than keep him, and if we did, he'd lose that $13 million since it isn't guaranteed).
And if he plays very well this year guaranteeing more money would be appropriate. Instead, he is holding out. Other teams in the NFCE have to make difficult personnel decisions, too. Barkley, Hargrave, Sanders. It can come down to take it or leave it, or we can’t pay that because our QB (or others) is about to us cost quite a bit. Jerry Jones has to make tough decisions too. He owes fans that much.
 

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He signed a deal he was comfortable with.
That's not the way this works. Players sign contracts knowing those contracts are going to be renegotiated at some point. They help the team out by signing for extra years to extend bonus money and allow for restructures, and the team is expected to reward them by redoing the deal.

Martin's cap hits over this seven-year extension have been: $6 million, $14 million (could have been automatically restructured by team), $7 million, $10 million, $12 million and $11 million. If you want to compare those to Kelce, you won't see much difference and Martin's probably will come out looking like a better bargain, except for that second year.
 

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They want to move on from him. He knows it and Jerry has all but eluded to it.

Dak will want a big bump in a year or two. We have Ceedee. Then we are looking at breaking the bank for Parsons. If Tyler Smith takes the next step, he could be looking at a huge payday. Collins they want to rework.

Martin mentioned the R word. The team is making plans to move on from him. He should show up and start collecting the money he can and stop giving it away to the NFL.
I haven't seen any indication that Jerry wants to move on from him or heard Martin mentioning the retirement word. I think you are making some assumptions.
 

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That's not the way this works. Players sign contracts knowing those contracts are going to be renegotiated at some point. They help the team out by signing for extra years to extend bonus money and allow for restructures, and the team is expected to reward them by redoing the deal.

Martin's cap hits over this seven-year extension have been: $6 million, $14 million (could have been automatically restructured by team), $7 million, $10 million, $12 million and $11 million. If you want to compare those to Kelce, you won't see much difference and Martin's probably will come out looking like a better bargain, except for that second year.
“I want to be the highest paid guard in the NFL and, oh, by the way I’m doing you a favor.” Be serious. Any player agent will advise his client that the only thing he can count on is what is stipulated in the contract. It is not “understood” that the terms in the written agreement are not as binding as a wink and a nod. Everyone saying it’s ok for Martin to do what he’s doing because it’s a business has to then agree it’s ok for Jerry to do what he’s doing because it’s a business. I don’t know Jerry Jones personally, but I’d bet the house, the car, and the fondue set he cares more about signing Parsons and Lamb in the not too distant future than Zach Martin does. The Cowboys are damned good and should be in the playoffs again this season. Their 53 man roster will be very good, I get the vaunted 49ers lineup is “all that”, I bet they don’t beat Dallas or Philly in the regular season. Prescott, despite his detractors who love to dog him here, is more than good enough to win a Super Bowl. Zach Martin is making a mistake and no amount of tap dancing around the issues by fans is going to make what he’s doing appropriate under the circumstances.
 

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He signed a deal he was comfortable with. Philly’s center is going into his 13th year and all of the contracts he’s signed in his career don’t add up to $84 million. And he’s considered a potential HoFer. Jerry Jones stepped up for Martin and this is what he gets for his comparative generosity. Martin’s bonus and salary this season is more than Philly’s three starting interior O-Lineman combined will be paid this season.That’s not enough? Think whatever you want about Jerry, but he is aware he’s competing with 31 other franchises and three of them his team must play twice every year. I’ll bet the Eagles would love to sign some all-pro LBs and RBs right now. It looks as if they need them. But they don’t have the money to do that. So too bad for them. Perhaps Jerry Jones wants to limit the amount of “too bad” for the Cowboys.
Why would Philly need some RBs?
 

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“I want to be the highest paid guard in the NFL and, oh, by the way I’m doing you a favor.” Be serious. Any player agent will advise his client that the only thing he can count on is what is stipulated in the contract. It is not “understood” that the terms in the written agreement are not as binding as a wink and a nod. Everyone saying it’s ok for Martin to do what he’s doing because it’s a business has to then agree it’s ok for Jerry to do what he’s doing because it’s a business. I don’t know Jerry Jones personally, but I’d bet the house, the car, and the fondue set he cares more about signing Parsons and Lamb in the not too distant future than Zach Martin does. The Cowboys are damned good and should be in the playoffs again this season. Their 53 man roster will be very good, I get the vaunted 49ers lineup is “all that”, I bet they don’t beat Dallas or Philly in the regular season. Prescott, despite his detractors who love to dog him here, is more than good enough to win a Super Bowl. Zach Martin is making a mistake and no amount of tap dancing around the issues by fans is going to make what he’s doing appropriate under the circumstances.
Agreed, he has been well compensated.
Now honor your commitment.
 

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I haven't seen any indication that Jerry wants to move on from him or heard Martin mentioning the retirement word. I think you are making some assumptions.
I thought I read or heard something about him talking about retirement. But can't find anything.

If I cant prove it, ignore it. My apologies.
 

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“I want to be the highest paid guard in the NFL and, oh, by the way I’m doing you a favor.” Be serious. Any player agent will advise his client that the only thing he can count on is what is stipulated in the contract. It is not “understood” that the terms in the written agreement are not as binding as a wink and a nod. Everyone saying it’s ok for Martin to do what he’s doing because it’s a business has to then agree it’s ok for Jerry to do what he’s doing because it’s a business. I don’t know Jerry Jones personally, but I’d bet the house, the car, and the fondue set he cares more about signing Parsons and Lamb in the not too distant future than Zach Martin does. The Cowboys are damned good and should be in the playoffs again this season. Their 53 man roster will be very good, I get the vaunted 49ers lineup is “all that”, I bet they don’t beat Dallas or Philly in the regular season. Prescott, despite his detractors who love to dog him here, is more than good enough to win a Super Bowl. Zach Martin is making a mistake and no amount of tap dancing around the issues by fans is going to make what he’s doing appropriate under the circumstances.
I don't think I said it isn't OK for Jerry to do what he's doing. Contract negotiations have a lot of moving parts, to boil it down to that's what they agreed to does not paint a complete picture of those negotiations. You want to believe that what Martin is doing is not "appropriate under the circumstances," you go ahead and believe that. I doubt you'll find anyone in the NFL (players, management, owners) who will agree with you. This is business according to the salary cap.
 

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I don't think I said it isn't OK for Jerry to do what he's doing. Contract negotiations have a lot of moving parts, to boil it down to that's what they agreed to does not paint a complete picture of those negotiations. You want to believe that what Martin is doing is not "appropriate under the circumstances," you go ahead and believe that. I doubt you'll find anyone in the NFL (players, management, owners) who will agree with you. This is business according to the salary cap.
Yes, well, if the game is “business” Martin and his agent have locked horns with the wrong businessman. Martin might end up in the Hall of Fame, Jerry Jones already is.
 

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Why would Philly need some RBs?
They could not retain a productive running back on their roster because they knew they did not want to match what he could get on “the open market”. They opted to sign two RBs that have had more injuries than flashes of brilliance. The Eagles are hoping for decent production from them. I’m guessing they are realistic about what to expect. Imagine if they could acquire Taylor from Indy. Well, they can’t. Their cap, like lots of teams, has no room for a running back of that caliber. It comes down to doing the best with what you have or can reasonably afford to get. I suspect the RB they acquired from the Lions will have more receiving yards than rushing yards. And I’ll stand by this. Eagles win 11 games this season. If they win 10 their coach is on the hot seat. They win nine and miss the playoffs, he’s gone. I think he is peculiar. Cowboys will win 11 or 12. The NFCE is the strongest division, top to bottom, in the NFL, again.
 

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you mean you don't want to be posting "GET YOUR BAG BRUH" from behind the Taco Bell counter like some of these dudes do?

none of these players are about to give any of yall any kickbacks so support your team's salary cap lol
Exactly.
Not every player can be paid at the top of their position if you want a competitive team.
Martin has been well paid and should honor his contract,
PERIOD
 

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Exactly.
Not every player can be paid at the top of their position if you want a competitive team.
Martin has been well paid and should honor his contract,
PERIOD
Why? NFL teams don't honor contracts. They cut players all of the time and don't pay them the last year of their supposed contracts
 

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Why? NFL teams don't honor contracts. They cut players all of the time and don't pay them the last year of their supposed contracts
Players and their agents are well aware of what their rights and what the team’s rights are under the terms of the agreement before they sign it. No contract with any player is valid unless the Player’s Association says it is. NFL franchises never violate the terms of the agreements they sign with players. It’s never happened. And a player holding out is also not violating his agreement with the team because that right is granted in the CBA, The stipulations for doing so are spelled out. Martin’s hold out is an expensive gamble. He didn’t decide to do it without knowing the possible ramifications.
 

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It's crazy to me. When you already have obscene money, and all you can do is stress about more money, something is starting to go wrong mentally. It's just weird. At what point are you happy?
I'm with ya Flamma. To call that just business, that's like when a cat leaves his calling card in the litter box and attempts to cover the evidence with sand. He's just taking care of business. But it still stinks. :laugh:
 

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It's crazy to me. When you already have obscene money, and all you can do is stress about more money, something is starting to go wrong mentally. It's just weird. At what point are you happy?
that would be a good question for jerry lol.
And what do you think his answer would be?
 

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I am on martins side, big gamble , and most players would not pay the fines, they would cave early.
 
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