Marvez: Cowboys Used Senior Bowl As Intelligence Experiment

[Sydla]

You obviously know zero about football. The problem for the Cowboys is they are run by people that think like you. Its the reason this franchise has gone down the tubes.

Actually the only one looking foolish here is you.

The Senior Bowl game is meaningless. Not just from the Cowboys perspective but from just about everyone in the NFL. The week long practice sessions and interviews and chats with players is where teh value is for teams. The game, the outcome, etc. are largely meaningless. I heard Mike Mayock on the radio just yesterday talking about Wentz and he was asked about his game performance and Mayock quickly said the game performance is something teams simply will shove aside and put more value in what they saw during the week of practices..........

So for you to keep perpetuating this notion that the result of the Senior Bowl game is important is embarrassing at this point.

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't know what you are talking about. Never said anything about Cowboys not having a play book. Football is a simple game. IF you think different, then that is your opinion. Everyone does the same stuff all over the league. Route Tree, blocking schemes, blitzes, ect....ect... Its all about execution and strategy during the game. Pushing the buttons.

Their job was not to evaluate the players. It was to put their players in the best position to win and showcase their talent for the scouts and NFL people. Not some micro lab experiment for their own personal gain.

I would have to agree with this.
Plus they are only evaluating 1/2 of the players there with this note stuff.
I also believe that some players who dont take notes well will be good nfl players.

In a ideal world, all the players would be real smart and studious , and RKG , but the world is far from Ideal.

I think JG shafted his players on this deal. He should help them look good and win, not run a experiment.

What about the north players who had play books? he wont know how well they take notes, or all the players who
were not in that game.

The one player saying he liked it ,was already good at taking notes etc. I would rather hear what some ordinary
players thought of the blank playbook.

 

[robjay04]

You obviously know zero about football. The problem for the Cowboys is they are run by people that think like you. Its the reason this franchise has gone down the tubes.

Yes they are run by people like every general manager and scouting director in the NFL that feels that the Senior Bowl is as valuable as a preseason game and the practices and interviews leading up to the game mean the most.

Most of these players have years worth of file for scouts to dissect, they could care less about a game where players are subbing in and out like a preseason or Pro Bowl game.

 

[DandyDon52]

You obviously know zero about the Senior Bowl. The practices mean more than the games, everybody knows that.

so I guess all the scouts leave and dont watch the game? If it is meaningless !

 

[DoctorChicken]

Football is a very simple game

lol

 

[Dodger12]

If this were an opposing coach the zone loved everyone would be on the other side of the fence.

But since it's Garrett and co everyone played their role.

And just because it's Garrett people go into instand defense mode when he does something questionabble, loses the game and makes arguably the top ranked QB look average in the process.

#resultsmatter

 

[Sydla]

so I guess all the scouts leave and dont watch the game? If it is meaningless !

You really should just stop talking now. This comes from a CBS Sports article on the Senior Bowl:

While it seems counter-intuitive, the practices are considered much more valuable to scouts than the all-star game, itself. That's because the Senior Bowl, like any other all-star game, is designed with the fans, rather than scouts, in mind. There were hundreds of NFL personnel in Mobile throughout the week of practice but only a fraction of them remain for the game.

 

[Chuck 54]

What are you talking about? There's a difference between trying to digest an entire playbook that a NFL team would throw at a rookie in the summer for a NFL season and trying to learn a small handful of plays in a week long camp that is a showcase of your skills for NFL teams.

It's easier to do this in a short camp setting than after a guy is already on a team. The goal here during the Senior Bowl was to view guys' critical thinking skills.......... to see how they can adapt and adjust to something different, to see how they think through a play as opposed to just looking at a diagram handed to them, etc. This is about DRAFTING the type of players that you then think will not only be able to digest your playbook come summer camp but also be able to think critically and dissect the plays instead of just simply memorizing them.

You aren't going to give your players an intelligence exercise AFTER you've already drafted them.

Wrong....that's not critical thinking at all. It's note-taking and memorization only, the lowest level of thinking. I'm not saying this to argue, but I've been teacher for 26 years, an instructional coach for 6, and now the instructional specialist for a district with 23 middle and high schools. That doesn't make me an expert on football, but I am knowledgeable about learning, thinking, and assessment. What Garrett and his staff did may serve a great purpose for them on some unexplained level, but it has zero to do with critical thinking and problem solving. Most kids learned to take notes and study in elementary school.

 

[Sydla]

LOL. For those claiming the Senior Bowl game, itself, is really important. Note from this article from the AP that most teams leave after the practices are over, but there is one team that puts a ton of value in the actual game results..........

THE GAME MATTERS: Most NFL staffers headed out of town after Thursday's practices, but North coach Jason Garrett of the Dallas Cowboys said the game still is probably the most important gauge. Garrett says he and his staff watch the tape "over and over and over again." ''It's really important to see guys in the meeting room and see how they respond," Garrett said. "It's important to see how they respond in the walk-through. It's important to see how they practice. But ultimately it's about evaluating them in the game."

Hahahaha. So after ripping Garrett and saying the game is the best gauge of the talent here, it seems the one team who actually puts more value in the game than practices is......... the Cowboys.

 

[Alexander]

You obviously know zero about football.

Never gets old.

 

[Sydla]

Wrong....that's not critical thinking at all. It's note-taking and memorization only, the lowest level of thinking. I'm not saying this to argue, but I've been teacher for 26 years, an instructional coach for 6, and now the instructional specialist for a district with 23 middle and high schools. That doesn't make me an expert on football, but I am knowledgeable about learning, thinking, and assessment. What Garrett and his staff did may serve a great purpose for them on some unexplained level, but it has zero to do with critical thinking and problem solving. Most kids learned to take notes and study in elementary school.

Also having a teaching background and training background at a corporate level, I can tell you that I think you are wrong. I suspect there was more here than just Garrett writing something on the board or diagramming a play on the board and the players just copying him word for word. I suspect this was a true classroom setting.

In the end, the *****ing over this is just bizarre. Why the hell do you care how Garrett and the coaching staff conveyed the plays to the players?

I'll tell you why........ because you don't like Garrett and if it came out that someone like Belicheck did this, you'd think it was downright genius.

 

[robjay04]

And just because it's Garrett people go into instand defense mode when he does something questionabble, loses the game and makes arguably the top ranked QB look average in the process.

#resultsmatter

No, it is not defending Garrett. It is just the way it is. The Senior Bowl doesn't matter and you will not find a scout or pundit that will say otherwise.

People are bashing Garrett for no reason whatsoever just for the sake of bashing him.

I am also sure he was asked a question and responded. Is he supposed to say "Nah, it doesn't matter" about the team he is coaching?

 

[robjay04]

LOL. For those claiming the Senior Bowl game, itself, is really important. Note from this article from the AP that most teams leave after the practices are over, but there is one team that puts a ton of value in the actual game results..........



Hahahaha. So after ripping Garrett and saying the game is the best gauge of the talent here, it seems the one team who actually puts more value in the game than practices is......... the Cowboys.

Maybe it's because he is the head coach?

I guarantee you they didn't put as much value in the game in previous years.

 

[Sydla]

Garrett is not a very good coach IMO. Frankly, I was hoping he got canned the moment the final whistle sounded on the 2015 season.

That being said, what he did here at the Senior Bowl is so insignificant in the grand scheme of things that you just have to laugh at the bitterness that some have over him being the coach here when they complain about this stuff.

 

[Dodger12]

No, it is not defending Garrett. It is just the way it is. The Senior Bowl doesn't matter and you will not find a scout or pundit that will say otherwise.

People are bashing Garrett for no reason whatsoever just for the sake of bashing him.

I am also sure he was asked a question and responded. Is he supposed to say "Nah, it doesn't matter" about the team he is coaching?

The NFL has been littered with guys that were practice and workout warriors whose efforts did not translate onto the field. You would think that a part of the practices is how well someone can absorb and learn the playbook and put it into actual use (on the field) and be successful at it. The whole point is to practice and then showcase your talents in the game.

I am not bashing Garrett. If he had done something that was routinely done by other coaches or done something unique and innovative that helped the team win, then this would be a non-issue because, quite frankly, there would be nothing to discuss.

But I know if I was a player who had my career hanging in the balance, I would hope that the coaches would properly prepare me. At the end of the day, some folks test better and take notes better than others. That's really what they evaluated.

 

[Bullflop]

Can't coach dumb players

Yep, they've tried exactly that in the past and far more often than not, it didn't pay off. It's time to pursue those who listen and apply what they've learned.

 

[MikeT22]

Yep, you nailed it. Garrett the Ivy league genius playing it like he can over think the football guys. Football is a very simple game. Garrett just doenst get it. Thats why he gets beat week in and week out by guys a lot dumber than him. Football guys.

They have playbooks for a reason. Been doing it since the game started. But Garrett knows better and is smarter right? God, when will this horror show end?

They're just trying to see if these players can execute under normal conditions in Dallas with normal minimum coaching.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not arguing your point, just seems sad that a college senior can't take notes.

Personally, I think it's much to do about nothing.

It probably is. But its just another reason for Garrett bashers like me to take out the club. Honestly, would you do it like that? And of course, his team lost so that is more fodder.

 

[LocimusPrime]

My co-ed flag football team doesnt use playbookes either. We do it the cowboy way

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually the only one looking foolish here is you.

The Senior Bowl game is meaningless. Not just from the Cowboys perspective but from just about everyone in the NFL. The week long practice sessions and interviews and chats with players is where teh value is for teams. The game, the outcome, etc. are largely meaningless. I heard Mike Mayock on the radio just yesterday talking about Wentz and he was asked about his game performance and Mayock quickly said the game performance is something teams simply will shove aside and put more value in what they saw during the week of practices..........

So for you to keep perpetuating this notion that the result of the Senior Bowl game is important is embarrassing at this point.

I never brought up practice once. The original point was whether winning was important or not. To say it doenst matter is just ridiculous. As winning would mean that the players on your team performed well. AS in, they took coaching well and performed their jobs. And if your trying to tell me that no one is looking at film of the game itself, that would be ridiculous. Now is the practice part more important than some other events like the bowls or what not? Definitely. But winning and the performance in that game is still a factor.

Or you could go back to the beginning. Where not giving the players play books was either genius or stupid. Put me down for stupid.