Matt Jones--WR

[dbair1967]

Once Boller has a bad game(probably the 1st game) Anthony Wright will step in and start throwing to Clayton.
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Anthony Wright is just as putrid as Boller...

I watched him just a week or so ago vs Atlanta, guy cant throw it in the ocean

David

 

[Chuck 54]

I guess Bill and Jerry never viewed it as a Newman vs. Leftwich. I think it was more of Quincy and Hutch are our young QBs and we think one will work out so we don't need to draft one. And by work out, I mean fit Parcells role of the QB doesn't need to be a star for the team to be effective.

I like Leftwich and would have been very happy with him under center for the Cowboys. He is going to be a very good one. I also like Newman and am glad he is on the team. I didn't have preference at the time of that draft. Would have been happy with either.

I think you're right, but hoping THambrick becomes your starting RB shouldn't keep you from drafting a Ladainian Tomlinson if the opportunity arises either.

If either of them actually preferred Carter and Hutch to Leftwich, I have to question their ability to judge talent, though I certainly have no right to do so.

 

[Chuck 54]

This one is no regret for me at all; I like the Newman pick. Lefty has a great arm and he is guttsy but he still hasn't shown me that he has the head for the game. He will be good and will have his moments but I don't think he will ever be great...think Donavan McNabb.

Great? Well, some of it is a matter of opinion, but even playing hurt last year, he had a very good year for a first year starter....don't be misled by all his numbers either...over 15% of his incomplete passes were "drops"...that's an unbelievable number imo.

Here are his sophomore numbers in Jaxonville:

14 games, 60.5% completions, 2941 yards, 15 tds and 10 ints.

Add to that the fact discussed last night during the game coverage that a little over 15% of his passes last year were dropped, an incredible number, which explains why they were looking for receivers in the offseason.

15% drops and he still completed over 60%...that's some freakin' scary math right there, fellas, and he's still 4-5 years from hitting his prime as a QB.

That's why I groaned when we took a CB over LEftwich...even if Newman makes the ProBowl, QB's are more important to winning titles.

 

[JackMagist]

I think you're right, but hoping THambrick becomes your starting RB shouldn't keep you from drafting a Ladainian Tomlinson if the opportunity arise either.

If either of them actually preferred Carter and Hutch to Leftwich, I have to question their ability to judge talent, though I certainly have to right to do so.

You have to remember it was Parcells first year here and he was not familiar wiht our QB's. Jerry was still wearing his Quincy Blinders and he had just given Hutch a first round type contract. I'm sure had BP been here a year earlier he would have taken Leftwich but as it was he was unsure about his Qb situation and Jerry is no judge. It was, however, obvious that we needed a CB...ergo we draft Newman. I can't find too much fault with BP on this one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess Bill and Jerry never viewed it as a Newman vs. Leftwich. I think it was more of Quincy and Hutch are our young QBs and we think one will work out so we don't need to draft one. And by work out, I mean fit Parcells role of the QB doesn't need to be a star for the team to be effective.

I think that's exactly it. I think Parcells saw enough other holes he wanted to fill that he thought Quincy could drive the bus.

And no matter what he might have felt about Leftwich, I question whether Parcells would have wanted to play a rookie at QB. Yes, he did it with Bledsoe, but he knew he was starting from scratch there... And he was a lot younger then, too. Taking over at 61, Parcells probably didn't want to watch a rookie make mistake after mistake for even one year.

 

[JackMagist]

Great? Well, some of it is a matter of opinion, but even playing hurt last year, he had a very good year for a first year starter....don't be misled by all his numbers either...over 15% of his incomplete passes were "drops"...that's an unbelievable number imo.

I guess we will just have to see. Like I said, I think he will be a McNabb type; some will argue his greatness and others will see only his flaws. The truth will be somewhere in between.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think that's exactly it. I think Parcells saw enough other holes he wanted to fill that he thought Quincy could drive the bus.

And no matter what he might have felt about Leftwich, I question whether Parcells would have wanted to play a rookie at QB. Yes, he did it with Bledsoe, but he knew he was starting from scratch there... And he was a lot younger then, too. Taking over at 61, Parcells probably didn't want to watch a rookie make mistake after mistake for even one year.

I agree with your assessment, but if an opportunity like that comes knocking again, and it's very unlikely, I hope JJ will step up and make the decision for a franchise QB (assuming Henson hasn't done anything by then).

At some point you have to take a rookie QB and let him sit a year on the bench for the benefit of your franchise and chance to win championships in the future...imo.

 

[Chuck 54]

I guess we will just have to see. Like I said, I think he will be a McNabb type; some will argue his greatness and others will see only his flaws. The truth will be somewhere in between.

I understand you completely...that's what opinions are all about...it's easy to see where I lie because I think McNabb is a super star, thus the ProBowl 5 years in a row and the championship games with no WR's till last year.

If McNabb was our QB, I'd be changing my predictions from 8-8, 9-7, to the NFC Championship game and possible SB birth...I think he'd be a great fit in Dallas.

 

[JackMagist]

I understand you completely...that's what opinions are all about...it's easy to see where I lie because I think McNabb is a super star, thus the ProBowl 5 years in a row and the championship games with no WR's till last year.

If McNabb was our QB, I'd be changing my predictions from 8-8, 9-7, to the NFC Championship game and possible SB birth...I think he'd be a great fit in Dallas.

Tell me how great McNabb is after he gets through a big game without choking...or haveing dry heaves...whatever you want to call it. That is why the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

By the way, with the buttkicking the Jaguars took, maybe they could have used a little more immediate help than Jones provides.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This was a weak draft for QBs and Henson had only one year at draft time. I didn't see any QB available at #20 that was a surefire upgrade over the young guys we have.

As I said before i wanted a WR (Clayton or White) but Jones was not the one. I think Spears will be a solid performer for years to come and will be a quiet cornerstone of our defense. He will be a Jethro Pugh type of guy; maybe overshadowed by more flashy players (Ware) but he will hold his spot and do his job game in and game out year in and year out. You have to have those guys on your team to win consistently.

What's your point? There is no guarantee on any of them but the same thing was said about Leftwich and I think he's going to turn out. The same about Roth and I think he's proving it. The same about FA guys like Delhomme and he's already proven it IMO. You draft a QB till you have one. I like Henson and I think he will be a good QB but I wouldn't bet the water rights on it.

Until you have a QB, you have nothing, IMO. Draft them when ever you have the opportunity. Continue to draft QBs once you find your guy as development work. That's what I believe.

If Matt Jones turns out, there will be many kicking themselves in the arse over that pick. I understand you saying you like Spears, I do too, but if Jones turns out, it's going to be the same basic thing as us passing on Moss and taking Ellis. There are still many who aren't finished *****ing about that.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Matt Jones just made an awsome one handed catch!

Spears better step up because I really wanted us to select Jones with the Spears pick. Don't get me wrong, I understand the Spears pick....but, he better perform to make me forget Jones!

Do you Zoners feel we did the right thing?

You're kidding, right?

Matt Jones, the Arkansas QB ... as a reciever ... over Marcus Spears - defensive end from LSU?

Please tell me your kidding ...

(I saw the catch)

 

[Banned_n_austin]

No regrets from me

As for the game can they kiss Vick's butt anymore than they have so far uke:

Vick is going to have a good year. Dude has a cannon for an arm. I think he'll eventually be a great QB. I'd trade him for all 3 QB's we have on our roster.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Matt Jones was a reach and a high risk pick.
Spears was the opposite, actually falling lower than he should have and far less of a risk.

If anything, I still think Mark Clayton becomes a player in this game and haunts me a little but Matt Jones... not gonna happen.

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Very nice work.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think we all know that if Jerry was running the draft we would have taken Jones. Of course, we would have ended up trading up a few spots to get him (see Ekuban, Lafleur).

 

[CrazyCowboy]

You're kidding, right?

Matt Jones, the Arkansas QB ... as a reciever ... over Marcus Spears - defensive end from LSU?

Please tell me your kidding ...

(I saw the catch)

NO--I am not kidding......I believe Jones is going to be great at WR....think about it, 6'6'', 230lbs, 4.3 forty in the slot working on a 5' something DB. Who will cover him?

I have not seen Spears play a down yet and I am not going to bad mouth him. I hope he will be great, however with Canty doing so well and our WR's lacking speed for the down field throw.....guess you can say I AM CONCERNED!

 

[Banned_n_austin]

NO--I am not kidding......I believe Jones is going to be great at WR....think about it, 6'6'', 230lbs, 4.3 forty in the slot working on a 5' something DB. Who will cover him?

I have not seen Spears play a down yet and I am not going to bad mouth him. I hope he will be great, however with Canty doing so well and our WR's lacking speed for the down field throw.....guess you can say I AM CONCERNED!

OK, fair enough. But he's got a long ways to go before I start questioning the pick. I'm well aware of his physical attributes and raw talent, but I still like our pick over Jacksonville's.

I'll keep an eye out for him though, Crazy. No doubt he's got the ability, but he's playing a whole new position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, fair enough. But he's got a long ways to go before I start questioning the pick. I'm well aware of his physical attributes and raw talent, but I still like our pick over Jacksonville's.

I'll keep an eye out for him though, Crazy. No doubt he's got the ability, but he's playing a whole new position.

I don't know that you need to question the pick ever. I mean, if Spears turns out to be a good player and Jones turns out to be a great player, I don't believe that the pick becomes questionable.

I'm just saying what I would have done with the 20th pick, per say. Doesn't mean Spears is a bad pick IMO.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I don't know that you need to question the pick ever. I mean, if Spears turns out to be a good player and Jones turns out to be a great player, I don't believe that the pick becomes questionable.

I'm just saying what I would have done with the 20th pick, per say. Doesn't mean Spears is a bad pick IMO.

Spears is going to be a real good player. I'm sure of that. That's why I'm not worried about the pick at all. And I'm not questioning it. I never will. Hindsight is 20/20. Especially here.

 

[baj1dallas]

Spears is going to be a real good player. I'm sure of that. That's why I'm not worried about the pick at all. And I'm not questioning it. I never will. Hindsight is 20/20. Especially here.

I'll be honest...I've never been a big Spears fan (I watched a lot of college games early in the season last year and it seems like most of his success came later in the year). Even so I don't think you can complain about the pick, since it both fills a need and gets you a "good" player from a "big time" program.

I don't think you can judge these two guys against each other...it just wasn't reasonable to expect Dallas to take Jones at that spot, with the 3-4 coming and all of that.


I will say that I am anxious to see Spears get on the field...and I also think people who bought into this hype about him are going to be disappointed when he really does turn out to be an "Ellis type" player (remember it's taken Ellis quite a while to get his production to the level it is now...I think it will be the same for Spears, but even longer due to the injury).