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he should have wrapped up and shouldnt have acted like he didnt want a call by raising his arms, but it should have been a foul in any situation, he wacked him in the forearm it should have been called.
ps it was the same ref as last years game 4 no call on D bag fisher landing on brent barry in game 4.
ps it was the same ref as last years game 4 no call on D bag fisher landing on brent barry in game 4.
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guys name is Mark Wunderlich, he is clearly a horrendous ref. btw joey crawford was also in game 4 of last years conference finals and could have also made that call, but mark was right there, next to the action, as he was in last nights game
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The only person who was supposed to make that call was Wunderlich.MC KAos;2769960 said:
Officials have zones they're supposed to observe. They all can't be watching the ball. The action was in Wunderlich's zone. Joey C. prolly thought a call should've been made, but it wasn't his call to make.
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WoodysGirl;2769973 said:
hmm, so no one else could have blown the whistle? thats stupid they should allow any ref to blow the whistle if he sees a clear foul
CATCH17;2769985 said:
he gets away with so many elbows. the league suspended him twice before for trowing elbows, he should have been suspended again, but you cant have one of sterns cash cows lose their best players, absolutely NOT!!
i hate that the nba treats players differently, if its a foul on a role player, it should be a foul on a star, its ridiculous that they have to play to different set of rules, absolutely absurd
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That's if the ref saw it. Like I said, each individual ref has a zone on the court they're responsible for. Generally, only one ref is supposed to be watching the ball. There might be times when the ball ventures into dual coverage areas, but generally when the ball goes cross court, the coverage responsibilities switch between refs.MC KAos;2770213 said:
And as Wunderlich was right on top of the play, I think that the other refs simply deferred to him as he is the one closest to the play. It was his call and he blew it.
Imagine this scenario, the play is in front of Wunderlich...and the ref on the other side of the court blows his whistle. The other ref will catch heat based on "how in the world could you see it?" Wunderlich will catch heat, cuz he didn't blow his whistle.
Man, there are so many scenarios I could post relating to all the heat refs get based on final second calls. Fortunately, this was on just one and not all of them.
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Whateva...CATCH17;2770312 said:
I'm a b-ball ref...lower-level, but enough to know what the refs are supposed to do. So I kinda know what I'm talking about, at least in this regard..
: I don't defend bad refs, but I can generally see why a call was made or not made.
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Jeff Van Gundy was on ESPN radio this morning. He made several good points--some that have already been pointed out and some not:
1- Clearly and obviously there was a foul--and really Wright fouled him twice--so no possible way you miss it standing 5 ft from the action and staring at the play.
2- Wright did almost exacly what you should do. Fould clearly but do so when he's not in the act of shooting and in a manner that cannot be possibly ruled a flagrant...so all they do is use the free foul to make them take the ball out of bounds.
3- He lifted his hands to be sure Melo did not draw a shooting fould and 3 shots...whcih would have been a disaster for Dallas.
4- During the timeouts at the very end, the refs DO discuss if a team has a foul to give. So like everyone else on the planet, they knew Dallas wanted to give a foul.
5- He usually had his players tell the refs after the timeout that they planned to take a foul. Although, Carlisle said he absolutely assumed the refs knew this, some have taken that to mean he or the players did not tell the refs. Van Gundy says to not at all assume that--that there still was a real chance the Mavs told the refs in advance. Bottom line he said, is it was clear foul and the ref was in great positon to see it, so call it!
6- he also mentioned that Dirk could have the run the clock down 4-5 more seconds before taking his last shot....but that's hindsite.
1- Clearly and obviously there was a foul--and really Wright fouled him twice--so no possible way you miss it standing 5 ft from the action and staring at the play.
2- Wright did almost exacly what you should do. Fould clearly but do so when he's not in the act of shooting and in a manner that cannot be possibly ruled a flagrant...so all they do is use the free foul to make them take the ball out of bounds.
3- He lifted his hands to be sure Melo did not draw a shooting fould and 3 shots...whcih would have been a disaster for Dallas.
4- During the timeouts at the very end, the refs DO discuss if a team has a foul to give. So like everyone else on the planet, they knew Dallas wanted to give a foul.
5- He usually had his players tell the refs after the timeout that they planned to take a foul. Although, Carlisle said he absolutely assumed the refs knew this, some have taken that to mean he or the players did not tell the refs. Van Gundy says to not at all assume that--that there still was a real chance the Mavs told the refs in advance. Bottom line he said, is it was clear foul and the ref was in great positon to see it, so call it!
6- he also mentioned that Dirk could have the run the clock down 4-5 more seconds before taking his last shot....but that's hindsite.
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May 11, 2009 4:43 PM
Mavs/Nuggets Pre-Game 4 Musings
Posted by deb1929
This series is so not about basketball anymore.
It has gotten so far beyond that at this point. It's about Dirk Nowitzki proving that his whatever-she-was friend/girlfriend/fiancé (all my sources say the latter) drama is behind him. Frankly, he did that in game 3. It's also about Nowitzki proving he can lead a team in the playoffs (which I fear he cannot without more help).
For Josh Howard it's about proving he can maintain his composure. Included but not limited to: not flail his arms off the court after the game, rip his jersey off, turn the media ladders around, say "I'm not talking" (which is a fine-able offense after an NBA playoff game) and go back into his cave. Howard isn't a child. He shouldn't behave like one no matter how frustrated he might be.
For the Mavs owner Mark Cuban it's about staying out the way. Ok, YES, this is his team and he can do whatever he wants with it, as well he should. BUT, Dirk Nowitzki went so far as to say this a few years back that Cuban was in fact a distraction. From Cuban pushing/shoving our photographer Bill Ellis after game 3 (Cuban says he simply moved Ellis arm. You can watch the video and judge for yourself) to having words with Kenyon Martin's mom after game 3. Seriously???? Kenyon Martin went so far as to say at this morning's shoot around that he will "take care of it" and speak to Cuban about it "face to face". A player as tough as Martin wanting to confront an NBA team owner. It has come down to this? The only face to face conversation I want to have with Martin is nice, pleasant one.
As we actually focus on basketball leading up to game 4, a friend makes the argument that the Mavericks will get the benefit of just about every call on Monday night. This on the heels of the NBA saying that the referees made a mistake in not calling the intentional foul Antoine Wright committed on Carmelo Anthony in the closing moments of game 3. Candidly, I don't think it will help. The Mavericks might be able to pull this one out in game 4 but ultimately the Nuggets will take this series. A true mark of the better team is when that team (in this case the Nuggets) is outplayed in a game (in this case game 3) and still wins. Case in point: Denver was shooting 12% (!!!!!!!) at one point in the first quarter of game 3, shot 25% for the quarter and was tied with Dallas after 1.
I don't want to see this Mavericks season end but I am afraid it will sooner rather later.
Gina Miller
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Mavs/Nuggets Pre-Game 4 Musings
Posted by deb1929
This series is so not about basketball anymore.
It has gotten so far beyond that at this point. It's about Dirk Nowitzki proving that his whatever-she-was friend/girlfriend/fiancé (all my sources say the latter) drama is behind him. Frankly, he did that in game 3. It's also about Nowitzki proving he can lead a team in the playoffs (which I fear he cannot without more help).
For Josh Howard it's about proving he can maintain his composure. Included but not limited to: not flail his arms off the court after the game, rip his jersey off, turn the media ladders around, say "I'm not talking" (which is a fine-able offense after an NBA playoff game) and go back into his cave. Howard isn't a child. He shouldn't behave like one no matter how frustrated he might be.
For the Mavs owner Mark Cuban it's about staying out the way. Ok, YES, this is his team and he can do whatever he wants with it, as well he should. BUT, Dirk Nowitzki went so far as to say this a few years back that Cuban was in fact a distraction. From Cuban pushing/shoving our photographer Bill Ellis after game 3 (Cuban says he simply moved Ellis arm. You can watch the video and judge for yourself) to having words with Kenyon Martin's mom after game 3. Seriously???? Kenyon Martin went so far as to say at this morning's shoot around that he will "take care of it" and speak to Cuban about it "face to face". A player as tough as Martin wanting to confront an NBA team owner. It has come down to this? The only face to face conversation I want to have with Martin is nice, pleasant one.
As we actually focus on basketball leading up to game 4, a friend makes the argument that the Mavericks will get the benefit of just about every call on Monday night. This on the heels of the NBA saying that the referees made a mistake in not calling the intentional foul Antoine Wright committed on Carmelo Anthony in the closing moments of game 3. Candidly, I don't think it will help. The Mavericks might be able to pull this one out in game 4 but ultimately the Nuggets will take this series. A true mark of the better team is when that team (in this case the Nuggets) is outplayed in a game (in this case game 3) and still wins. Case in point: Denver was shooting 12% (!!!!!!!) at one point in the first quarter of game 3, shot 25% for the quarter and was tied with Dallas after 1.
I don't want to see this Mavericks season end but I am afraid it will sooner rather later.
Gina Miller
CBS 11/TXA 21 Sports