Micah Parsons calls out Refs

[MarcusRock]

Why do people need to go into the damn production room to prove what they already see with their own eyes. I don't need video to know that if one person's jersey is being pulled and the other guy's hand is on it that it's holding. You watched VIDEO during the game and claim you didn't see holding. Now you want MORE video from 10 different angles to convince you.. which we all know will never happen anyway.. God bless anybody who wastes time on that project.

So you can tell holding from a still picture? Can you tell PI? Can you tell illegal contact? Can you tell a facemask? You can't because all are motion penalties you have to see through to know what action happened. The fact that people are like, "yeah that's holding" without seeing the action speaks volumes. Bias. And yet want to hurl that label at others. Y'all would make fine politicians nowadays, I tells ya. Lol.

 

[BourbonBalz]

No. How about you people lobbying accusations actually produce film to show your case and explain why something is holding according to the rules? My contention is that most of you don't even know the rules you're railing against. It's the same as the catch rule all over again. It's unreal that there's a 6-page thread talking about holding based on a still picture when there's no way in Hades you can tell if holding is happening without motion. The very definition of bias, yet accusing refs of bias. Lol. There's motion going on alright: E-motion

 

[MarcusRock]

A single photo does not tell the story, but this sure looks like holding. However, the rules do allow for an offensive lineman to wrap his arm around a pass rusher this way if the block began as a legal block and the defensive player twisted or turned so that the offenders arm wound up in this position. The offensive player is supposed to let go or it is holding. We cannot tell from the picture how the block started or if the offensive lineman let go./QUOTE]

A single photo tells you nothing. There is no but. The rule states you have to "materially restrict" a person meaning some restriction is allowed. How do you see allowable restriction with no video? The exception you speak of is listed in here as the rip move exception. Parsons uses a lot of those and I'd guess did so here.

 

[CWR]

Hell yea.........take a look at how they are treating Brady

Lol that's great.

 

[CWR]

No. How about you people lobbying accusations actually produce film to show your case and explain why something is holding according to the rules? My contention is that most of you don't even know the rules you're railing against. It's the same as the catch rule all over again. It's unreal that there's a 6-page thread talking about holding based on a still picture when there's no way in Hades you can tell if holding is happening without motion. The very definition of bias, yet accusing refs of bias. Lol. There's motion going on alright: E-motion

I think we can all agree Dez caught it right? Lol

 

[Bagman]

LOL.

Something on your mind ?

 

[calico]

Everyone knows the NFL uses holding calls to control the game. They call it when needed

 

[Praxit]

..especially on a player like him, who draws extra attention.

 

[Runwildboys]

No. How about you people lobbying accusations actually produce film to show your case and explain why something is holding according to the rules? My contention is that most of you don't even know the rules you're railing against. It's the same as the catch rule all over again. It's unreal that there's a 6-page thread talking about holding based on a still picture when there's no way in Hades you can tell if holding is happening without motion. The very definition of bias, yet accusing refs of bias. Lol. There's motion going on alright: E-motion

To be fair, I think the 6 pages are based primarily on what people saw while watching the game. I know I saw several instances in which Micah's feet were trying to run, but his upper body was being bent back, with an arm around the neck/chest area.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I think we can all agree Dez caught it right? Lol

The NFL agreed Dez caught it too....five years too late.

 

[zerofill]

Refs need to be called out

especially after the atlanta game......NFL needs to acknoledge that its an issue and fine or suspend refs

I actually like Brady... But that roughing the passer in that game... man... that actually had me p'd off.

You almost have to be betting on the game to call that. I mean come on...These guys get paid multi-millions to
play a frigging game. A game that is violent... But, they are wearing body armor.

You have UFC fighters for far less money, doing massive damage.

You basically choose to be in this sport. You aren't forced to be in this sport.

I almost never blame the actual outcome of a game on refs. But, man they are making it
really hard to do lately.

I am a massive fan of MMA... and some of the decisions by judges in the past couple of
years has been the same.

Some of these people truly need to be investigated. That is why in MMA they say never
leave it in the judges hands.

But, in football...

With some of the *** whippings some of these guys like Romo and Aikman took they must sit back
and go... What the hell?

 

[MarcusRock]

I think we can all agree Dez caught it right? Lol

Lol. He certainly had clear possession. Then lost it after the ground.

 

[MarcusRock]

To be fair, I think the 6 pages are based primarily on what people say while watching the game. I know I saw several instances in which Micah's feet were trying to run, but his upper body was being bent back, with an arm around the neck/chest area.

That's the peril of using the rip technique all the time. OLs are trained to to counter and there's a rulebook exception for it unless "the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action." Did you ever see Parsons end up on the ground the way the rule explains it?

 

[Runwildboys]

That's the peril of using the rip technique all the time. OLs are trained to to counter and there's a rulebook exception for it unless "the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action." Did you ever see Parsons end up on the ground the way the rule explains it?

No, and to be honest, until this thread, I was unaware of the rule, like most people. I can see why there's an exception, since the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position, but I personally feel like the blocker should show a reasonable effort to remove his arm as soon as possible.

 

[zerofill]

No, and to be honest, until this thread, I was unaware of the rule, like most people. I can see why there's an exception, since the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position, but I personally feel like the blocker should show a reasonable effort to remove his arm as soon as possible.

You probably remember even in High School... how the offense always had the upper hand on what they can do. I was defensive end, and coach always stressing have your hands open when you nailed the tackle, in the chest, etc...
Yet they close their fist grab you in the chest area of the pads to control you and not get called for it. That part of the game irritated me... Every time you try and swim through them, you had their arm around your neck lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

No, and to be honest, until this thread, I was unaware of the rule, like most people. I can see why there's an exception, since the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position, but I personally feel like the blocker should show a reasonable effort to remove his arm as soon as possible.

Well the rules leave it up to the blocker. If he doesn't, he runs the risk of hooking but if he takes it away, a guy like Parsons will be on the QB quick. I think as an OL, you take your chances with the exception built into the rule and hope any restriction is considered allowable while making sure the defender stays upright to not draw attention. It's the chess match of it all.

 

[RonnieT24]

No, and to be honest, until this thread, I was unaware of the rule, like most people. I can see why there's an exception, since the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position, but I personally feel like the blocker should show a reasonable effort to remove his arm as soon as possible.

So by rule if a defender is not clumsy enough to fall down while being tackled around the neck it's not holding? The reason the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position is because the blocker is reaching out to grab the defender's chest pads so they can hold. The NFL opened this pandora's box when they legalized holding way back when. Back in the day the offensive linemen could not use open hands AT ALL. That made it easier to determine what was holding. When they started letting them open their hands and over the years added in "within the framework of the defender's body" language they basically opened the door for legalized holding. It stinks frankly... But I would not mind it as long as it was called equally.. They have called Tyron for using that technique to pancake dudes for years. Yet when other teams do it to our guys it's a different set of rules.

 

[Runwildboys]

So by rule if a defender is not clumsy enough to fall down while being tackled around the neck it's not holding? The reason the defender often puts the blocker's arm in that position is because the blocker is reaching out to grab the defender's chest pads so they can hold. The NFL opened this pandora's box when they legalized holding way back when. Back in the day the offensive linemen could not use open hands AT ALL. That made it easier to determine what was holding. When they started letting them open their hands and over the years added in "within the framework of the defender's body" language they basically opened the door for legalized holding. It stinks frankly... But I would not mind it as long as it was called equally.. They have called Tyron for using that technique to pancake dudes for years. Yet when other teams do it to our guys it's a different set of rules.

Well if Tyron has been taking guys off their feet, isn't that where the second part of the rule kicks in?...or did you mean "pancake" in a different way?

 

[RonnieT24]

Well if Tyron has been taking guys off their feet, isn't that where the second part of the rule kicks in?...or did you mean "pancake" in a different way?

No Tyron would extend his (very long) arms and drive the defender to the ground.. What defenders learned about 4-5 years ago is that if they reached under his arms and flailed as they were going down they could get the call. It has turned my stomach to watch a great player doing great player things be penalized for doing them. It reminded me of the "he must have been offsides, nobody is that quick" calls on D-Ware when he would time the snap perfectly and you could see on replay that he wasn't offsides but his explosion fooled the side judge so he drew the flag.

 

[MarcusRock]

No Tyron would extend his (very long) arms and drive the defender to the ground.

Literally in the rulebook as a no, no. But yes, persecution. Lol.

Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the blocker’s action.​