Twitter: Micah was robbed of a sack

[Creeper]

I didn't see that in the rules. There are other rules that talk about designed run plays but the ones I quote sit side by side this one too so it appears that becoming a runner can happen in any circumstance whether a QB drops back to pass and runs or is flushed out by pressure and then runs so there appears to be a determination made whereby a QB is considered running whether by design or wanted to pass and gets harassed and then runs. For simplicity, people think it should work where a passing play is a sack and a designed run is not but there are so many variations that can happen. You can have a QB retreat 25 yards due to pass rush and then run 24 yards forward but still short of the LOS for a run of -1 yards. Is that a sack when the QB was clearly a runner for 24 yards? That's the determination the refs have to make by the current rules. But yes, the video shows this one should be Parsons' sack if they're saying Goff wasn't a runner.

(1) When a quarterback runs an option and keeps the ball, he is a runner. He has none of the special protections
given to a passer. Normal unnecessary roughness rules apply. It does not matter whether he is in or outside the
pocket area. If the quarterback on an option pitches the ball to a player, his only protection before or after the
pitch is that provided under normal unnecessary roughness rules. He does not receive any of the special
protections granted to a player who throws a forward pass while on the run. The player who receives the pitch
does not have any special “defenseless player” protection.​

To be honest I cannot find anything in the official rulebook that defines a sack. It must be in some kind of official statisticians guidelines. But regardless, Dorance Armstrong was credited with a sack on that play so whether it is a sack or not is not in question. The issue is who should get the credit for the sack. Micah is saying it should be him.

I found this but I have no idea what the source for this article is:

https://thesportsrush.com/nfl-news-...out-tackle-knows-as-sack-nfl-rules-explained/

 

[Creeper]

btw, the Elias Sports Bureau is the official stats keeper for the NFL. Anyone on Twitter can DM them or tweet them to find out how they determine what a sack is and why Parsons did not get credit for the sack referenced in this thread. I am not a Twitter user or I would do it myself. I believe they are @eliassports.

 

[viman96]

OK here is a good picture of Micha's hand on Goff that tripped him before getting to the LOS.

 

[aikemirv]

The rule governing roughing the passer applied here and it doesn't mention the LOS. It's all about if Goff "clearly became a runner" which I believe he did as he took about 5 steps with the ball tucked like a runner after escaping Micah the first time. You can rush for a gain, no gain or for negative yardage. At the time, they ruled it a rush and no sack but changed it later. Judgment call by the reviewers.

(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​

I can't believe you are still arguing with this excerpt from the rule book for a QB who got tackled behind the LOS by the guy he was trying to avoid sacking him!!! That's just nonsense

 

[MarcusRock]

To be honest I cannot find anything in the official rulebook that defines a sack. It must be in some kind of official statisticians guidelines. But regardless, Dorance Armstrong was credited with a sack on that play so whether it is a sack or not is not in question. The issue is who should get the credit for the sack. Micah is saying it should be him.

I found this but I have no idea what the source for this article is:

https://thesportsrush.com/nfl-news-...out-tackle-knows-as-sack-nfl-rules-explained/

Yeah the mechanics of a sack isn't in the rulebook which is weird. In the article, the "designed as a run" part is counter to the rules that state a QB can drop back to pass, get pressured, escape the pressure and then "clearly become a runner" so I think this is just generalized definitions and language that doesn't get into the nitty gritty of it all.

 

[MarcusRock]

I can't believe you are still arguing with this excerpt from the rule book for a QB who got tackled behind the LOS by the guy he was trying to avoid sacking him!!! That's just nonsense

It's only nonsense to those without variable thinking. In this case, it's just simple reading. The rules make no reference to the LOS, only whether someone has or hasn't "clearly become a runner." A QB can run and fall short of the LOS for a negative gain and not have it be a sack, designed run play or not. This play was an example of the judgment call that had to be made in such a case. Jim Nantz called it a run in his broadcast and it stood that way until a scorer changed it later. Nantz later credited the Cowboys with 4 sacks when this one was actually 5 but wasn't then, because they changed it later. So he knew the rules.

And then you wonder why dang near half the board still thinks it was a catch in Green Bay (you included). No variable thinking. So the NFL had to dumb stuff down due to the "outrage."

Edit: Even in listening to the audio of the Tweet video, the stadium announcer doesn't call it a sack. He credits Armstrong with "tripping up" Goff.

 

[FanofJerry]

Variable thinking.

Excuses lol.

Childish.

 

[MarcusRock]

Variable thinking.

Excuses lol.

Childish.

Get some! Lol.

 

[FanofJerry]

Ill pass. Thanks. Not interested in being a con-man.

But I hope you profit.

 

[FanofJerry]

You def come off as Alpha though.

You like playing basketball as a grown man vs elementary kids...and laugh and call yourself Alpha. Impressive. Laugh off being trash. Must be a nice existence.

You failed on getting me to join a war. You failed miserably. Me 1, you Donuts. Next time maybe.

 

[MarcusRock]

Ill pass. Thanks. Not interested in being a con-man.

But I hope you profit.

When the truth is considered a con you don't have to ask why society is the way it is. Do your best young grasshopper.

 

[BAT]

I thought that was his sack too but someone here said that when a QB turns into a runner it no longer counts as a sack. He posted a screenshot of it from the rulebook. That can't be right.

Never listen to that guy.

 

[BAT]

Armstrong touched him last so It was Armstrong's sack

He didn't, Parsons did.

 

[FanofJerry]

When the truth is considered a con you don't have to ask why society is the way it is. Do your best young grasshopper.

You still failed lol. Next time though Great One.

Maybe next time I will join a fake war. Thanks for wasting your time on me lol.

 

[Doomsday]

Don't they usually do stat corrections on Wed afternoons?

That is usually when Yahoo's fantasy football league does it. A couple of years ago we had a guy who was winning a playoff game after MNF lose because stat corrections hit. He is still pissed about it.

 

[MarcusRock]

You still failed lol. Next time though Great One.

Maybe next time I will join a fake war. Thanks for wasting your time on me lol.

The real war is the anti-Cowboys CONSPIRACY! being waged by Goodell and Mara in New York and their ref henchmen. Can I sign you up for that one, soldier?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You def come off as Alpha though.

You like playing basketball as a grown man vs elementary kids...and laugh and call yourself Alpha. Impressive. Laugh off being trash. Must be a nice existence.

You failed on getting me to join a war. You failed miserably. Me 1, you Donuts. Next time maybe.

“You failed miserably.” — #IRONY

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The real war is the anti-Cowboys CONSPIRACY! being waged by Goodell and Mara in New York and their ref henchmen. Can I sign you up for that one, soldier?

I’m pretty sure belongs to a Message Board Militia already.

 

[FanofJerry]

You failed on tricking me into an army lol.

I would turn myself off if I, the smartest Alpha in the room, was defeated by a degenerating tool of mine.

Winning!

 

[FanofJerry]

Awww...are all of Medusa's snakes coming out to attack me?