Twitter: Micah was robbed of a sack

Risen Star said:
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1/2 sack should have been shared. Maybe they can appeal the league to see it that way.. Imagine those 2 sacks he had Wentz dead to rights and Wentzs got away in the same fashion.. parsons robbed himself of few sacks this year.

Parsons needs to get stronger, allowing these reject qbs to break his grasps. maybe its his Groin issue?:muttley:
 
Jarntt said:
Who cares what the "game announcer" said? I never understood why people try to use that as proof their opinion is correct. Are his eyes better than yours? Is he watching the replay 30 times or seeing every angle available?
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My point is the Twitter video that was provided didn’t clearly show Armstrong or Parsons trip up Goff at least not viewing it on a phone. The game announcer or anyone else didn’t have the benefit of the blown up gif video that was posted that shows it was Parsons that tripped up Goff. That video is conclusive.
 
America's Cowboy said:
Ugh, I created a gif and slowed it down in order to show how it was Micah who swiped and tripped Goff down for a sack. Watch closely. It is Micah's left arm/hand that grabs Goff by his left foot's ankle, swipes and trips him down. Armstrong's arms didn't even come close to touching Goff. Very clear. You and the stadium announcer are simply wrong.

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Good stuff.
 
KJJ said:
I watched the video repeatedly and there’s no way due to the angle that you can tell that Armstrong didn’t touch Goff. Armstrong was the closest one to Goff. Even the game announcer said Armstrong tripped him up. Parsons missed the sack and Goff got away. The angle of the video makes it impossible to conclusively tell if Parsons ever got a piece of Goff‘s foot as he was falling. If that was ruled a sack it has to be given to Armstrong because he was the closest one to Goff. That play needs to be shown from another angle to get any real clarity on it.
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I don't know, I see Micah's very clearly get his leg and trip him up. I see nothing from DA.

BTW, the announcers are wrong all of the time, they are the reason their are so many fallacies about different players that are started. They were wrong here too.
 
Ken said:
I don't know, I see Micah's very clearly get his leg and trip him up. I see nothing from DA.

BTW, the announcers are wrong all of the time, they are the reason their are so many fallacies about different players that are started. They were wrong here too.
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If you see Parsons “clearly” get Goff’s leg then you must have viewed the Twitter video on a computer screen or you’re referring to the blown up gif that was posted. Game announcers are wrong at times but the fact he was wrong shows how difficult it was to see who actually tripped up Goff. It’s pointless to continue discussing this.
 
KJJ said:
If you see Parsons “clearly” get Goff’s leg then you must have viewed the Twitter video on a computer screen or you’re referring to the blown up gif that was posted. Game announcers are wrong at times but the fact he was wrong shows how difficult it was to see who actually tripped up Goff. It’s pointless to continue discussing this.
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America's Cowboy posted a slowed down .gif of it...do you really not see it?

Scroll up for the .gif
 
Ken said:
America's Cowboy posted a slowed down .gif of it...do you really not see it?

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You must not be following along. I saw that slowed down gif last night. I’ve said several times I’ve seen it. That’s the only video that’s been posted here that clearly shows it was Parsons that tripped up Goff. The original Twitter video didn’t show it clearly. Don’t know what else I can tell you.
 
KJJ said:
You must not be following along. I saw that slowed down gif last night. That’s the only video that’s been posted here that clearly shows it was Parsons that tripped up Goff. The original Twitter video didn’t show it clearly. Don’t know what else I can tell you.
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No i haven't followed along, i happened to scroll up because i was going to grab a screenshot of it lol

I saw it in the twitter video, this slowed down gif came from that video.
 
Lol are half of you guys blind and also comment without knowing the rules or even watch the play?

Watch the video- Micah clearly clipped him, not Armstrong.

this was a sack as it wasn’t a QB designed run and he was tackled behind the LOS.
 
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Ken said:
No i haven't followed along, i happened to scroll up because i was going to grab a screenshot of it lol

I saw it in the twitter video, this slowed down gif came from that video.
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That’s why you haven’t seen my comments regarding the slowed down gif from the same video. The slowed down gif clearly shows it was Parsons who tripped up Goff and there’s no refuting it.
 
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Creeper said:
Need to see the beginning to establish the LOS. It looks like Goff may have gotten past the LOS for a short gain.
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The rule governing roughing the passer applied here and it doesn't mention the LOS. It's all about if Goff "clearly became a runner" which I believe he did as he took about 5 steps with the ball tucked like a runner after escaping Micah the first time. You can rush for a gain, no gain or for negative yardage. At the time, they ruled it a rush and no sack but changed it later. Judgment call by the reviewers.

(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​
 
MarcusRock said:
The rule governing roughing the passer applied here and it doesn't mention the LOS. It's all about if Goff "clearly became a runner" which I believe he did as he took about 5 steps with the ball tucked like a runner after escaping Micah the first time. You can rush for a gain, no gain or for negative yardage. At the time, they ruled it a rush and no sack but changed it later. Judgment call by the reviewers.

(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​
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My understanding is that the defender is credited with a sack if he tackles the QB behind the line of scrimmage unless the QB carries the ball in a designed run play. On this play, Goff clearly dropped back to pass and was chased out of the pocket. Therefore, it is considered a sack. I believe Armstrong was credited with the sack. Micah is saying it should be his sack because it was he and not Armstrong who tripped up Goff. If both players were involved they should each get a half sack. I think the video clearly shows Parsons was the one to trip up Goff. I cannot tell if Armstrong even touches Goff. Its not a great camera angle.
 
Creeper said:
My understanding is that the defender is credited with a sack if he tackles the QB behind the line of scrimmage unless the QB carries the ball in a designed run play. On this play, Goff clearly dropped back to pass and was chased out of the pocket. Therefore, it is considered a sack. I believe Armstrong was credited with the sack. Micah is saying it should be his sack because it was he and not Armstrong who tripped up Goff. If both players were involved they should each get a half sack. I think the video clearly shows Parsons was the one to trip up Goff. I cannot tell if Armstrong even touches Goff. Its not a great camera angle.
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I didn't see that in the rules. There are other rules that talk about designed run plays but the ones I quote sit side by side this one too so it appears that becoming a runner can happen in any circumstance whether a QB drops back to pass and runs or is flushed out by pressure and then runs so there appears to be a determination made whereby a QB is considered running whether by design or wanted to pass and gets harassed and then runs. For simplicity, people think it should work where a passing play is a sack and a designed run is not but there are so many variations that can happen. You can have a QB retreat 25 yards due to pass rush and then run 24 yards forward but still short of the LOS for a run of -1 yards. Is that a sack when the QB was clearly a runner for 24 yards? That's the determination the refs have to make by the current rules. But yes, the video shows this one should be Parsons' sack if they're saying Goff wasn't a runner.

(1) When a quarterback runs an option and keeps the ball, he is a runner. He has none of the special protections
given to a passer. Normal unnecessary roughness rules apply. It does not matter whether he is in or outside the
pocket area. If the quarterback on an option pitches the ball to a player, his only protection before or after the
pitch is that provided under normal unnecessary roughness rules. He does not receive any of the special
protections granted to a player who throws a forward pass while on the run. The player who receives the pitch
does not have any special “defenseless player” protection.​
 
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