Mick's mail: Hamlin contract talk heats up.

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

Mick's mail: Hamlin contract talk heats up.

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Rick Kite, Fairfax, Va.: What is the latest on the contract negotiations with Ken Hamlin? As I recall July 15 is an important day to reach a contract/extension for players with the franchise tag.

Mickey: You are right, that's the deadline for players with franchise tags to sign long-term contracts. After that, they must play for the franchise tender, which in Hamlin's case is one year, $4.396 million. If you sign a franchise player to a long-term deal after that date, you lose the franchise designation for the length of the contract. I'm told things began budging some this week, and both sides seem to be zeroing in on the deal Gibril Wilson signed with the Raiders, which I thought was a tad much at that time, six years, $39 million, with nearly $20 million paid out over the first three years.

Hamlin is only 27 and is better than Wilson and should get a deal in that range or a little better.

 

[Rampage]

you could also look at it this way, Canty was on the field less than Hamlin...Canty had 3.5 sacks and 5 tackles for loss, so basically 8.5 impact plays...Hamlin was on the field more than Canty was, and had 5 picks and 1 TFL...so he made fewer "impact" plays than Canty did, and did so despite being on the field more

like I said I dont see a big difference in the production and in the grand scheme, niether is significantly more important than the other

David

interceptions are bigger impact plays than sacks or tfl

 

[Boysboy]

interceptions are bigger impact plays than sacks or tfl

Yep-less not forget the game-changing plays he made @Miami, @Philly, and @NYGiants.

@Miami-with us up 20-17 in the 2nd half, he INT'd a pass when Miami was apparently threatening. We went on to win easily.

@Philly-with us up 14-7 with 2 minutes to play in the 1st half, he INT'd a McNabb pass...it ended up us going up 21-7 going into the half-we went on to win easily.

@NY Giants-us down 14-10(or was it 7-7), and the Giants' O was in full rhythm after being spotted 7-0. He again INT'd an Eli pass, and we ended up either scoring 3(or just stopped that Giants' drive, and that was all).

Pt being that would Keith Davis have made these plays? I don't think so-as a matter of fact-these teams would have found ways to burn him on those same drives.

If it's true we are THIS close to re-signing Hamlin, I'm thrilled!

 

[CF74]

We can afford to lose Canty, but Hamlin? Not at this point. Still I'd hate to lose Canty, that guy has nothing but upside...

 

[Boysboy]

We can afford to lose Canty, but Hamlin? Not at this point. Still I'd hate to lose Canty, that guy has nothing but upside...

Keep in mind-'10 will be an uncapped year.

 

[TNCowboy]

I wouldn't pay him that kind of $. I'd keep the franchise on him, and then do it again next year.

Hamlin isn't a guy who got a huge deal in the past and can afford to play the sit-out-10-weeks game. He probably needs the $, and the Cowboys have him over a barrel.

Unfortunately, that's not Jerry Jones' style. I expect Hamlin to get something similar to what's mentioned in the next few days.

 

[tomson75]

We can afford to lose Canty, but Hamlin? Not at this point. Still I'd hate to lose Canty, that guy has nothing but upside...

Has anyone said that?

 

[dbair1967]

Now you're just trying to win this discussion for the sake of winning. If you can't cede that Safeties are getting paid (proportionally) more now than they were 10 years ago, then there is no sense even discussing this with you.

everybody is getting paid proportionally more than they were 10 yrs ago...QB's, OL's, RB's, kickers, punters even deep snappers etc etc...all of them are...

building a team, tell me where safety falls in importance...certainly not ahead of positions like QB, RB, WR, LT, pass rushers or CB's...you could also make a strong argument they are less important than RT's and DT's that are capable of playing 3 downs...then depending on scheme (3-4 or 4-3) you have one or several LB positions which are more important...would you rather have a Jason Witten or Tony Gonzalez type TE or maybe Adrian Wilson?

Those are all easy one's to me

David

 

[tomson75]

I wouldn't pay him that kind of $. I'd keep the franchise on him, and then do it again next year.

Hamlin isn't a guy who got a huge deal in the past and can afford to play the sit-out-10-weeks game. He probably needs the $, and the Cowboys have him over a barrel.

Unfortunately, that's not Jerry Jones' style. I expect Hamlin to get something similar to what's mentioned in the next few days.

He'll likley count less towards the cap if we give him a new contract.

 

[CF74]

Keep in mind-'10 will be an uncapped year.

Has that proposal passed?

 

[dbair1967]

interceptions are bigger impact plays than sacks or tfl

it depends on when they happen wouldnt you agree?

David

 

[CF74]

Has anyone said that?

Anyone as in the guy who writes the checks? or as in Joe Fan speculator?

 

[tomson75]

everybody is getting paid proportionally more than they were 10 yrs ago...QB's, OL's, RB's, kickers, punters even deep snappers etc etc...all of them are...

building a team, tell me where safety falls in importance...certainly not ahead of positions like QB, RB, WR, LT, pass rushers or CB's...you could also make a strong argument they are less important than RT's and DT's that are capable of playing 3 downs...then depending on scheme (3-4 or 4-3) you have one or several LB positions which are more important...would you rather have a Jason Witten or Tony Gonzalez type TE or maybe Adrian Wilson?

Those are all easy one's to me

David

Whatever dude.

I meant to convey 'proportionally' to the team, you know, like as in the percentage of the cap or alloted money to be given to each player on the roster? That should have been obvious.

I'd call your argument for what it is, but that would be rude. I can't, for the life of me figure out why you think that safeties aren't as important as, say, RB's. They are, and its obvious to any Cowboys fan that watched the 2006 season and then the 2007 season.

 

[tomson75]

Anyone as in the guy who writes the checks? or as in Joe Fan speculator?

I doubt we're done writing checks. I'll be as bummed as anyone if we let Canty get away.

 

[CF74]

I doubt we're done writing checks. I'll be as bummed as anyone if we let Canty get away.

We'll never be done writing checks and I concur, losing Canty would suk...

 

[dbair1967]

Whatever dude.

I meant to convey 'proportionally' to the team, you know, like as in the percentage of the cap or alloted money to be given to each player on the roster? That should have been obvious.

I'd call your argument for what it is, but that would be rude. I can't, for the life of me figure out why you think that safeties aren't as important as, say, RB's. They are, and its obvious to any Cowboys fan that watched the 2006 season and then the 2007 season.

this team could have won 13 games without Ken Hamlin last yr, they probably couldnt have won 13 games without Marion Barber

a good RB is vastly more important than a good safety, I'd even rather have a good RB than a great safety...they make a much larger impact on games, if you cant see that there's just no helping you

I cant think of one team, not a single one where I thought a safety made THE difference in that teams ultimate success...however I can see several where a great RB made a HUGE impact on that team having a huge season or even winning it all

David

 

[theogt]

this team could have won 13 games without Ken Hamlin last yr, they probably couldnt have won 13 games without Marion Barber

a good RB is vastly more important than a good safety, I'd even rather have a good RB than a great safety...they make a much larger impact on games, if you cant see that there's just no helping you

I cant think of one team, not a single one where I thought a safety made THE difference in that teams ultimate success...however I can see several where a great RB made a HUGE impact on that team having a huge season or even winning it all

David

Rushing YPC has the lowest correlation coefficient with winning percentage of all major statistics. Defensive passing yards per attempt has one of the highest correlation coefficients with winning percentage.

Just because it's something YOU can't fathom, doesn't mean it is or isn't true.

 

[dbair1967]

Rushing YPC has the lowest correlation coefficient with winning percentage of all major statistics.

missed the point again I see

David

 

[theogt]

missed the point again I see

David

I think you did.

 

[TNCowboy]

He'll likley count less towards the cap if we give him a new contract.

This year. I'm just as concerned about the future and if the CBA situation is resolved and there is a cap in 2010.