Mike Fisher on 105.3 Says Wednesday Night

[Vanilla2]

Randle finna surprise y'all next year.

 

[BAT]

We know Murray's workload is going down going forward. Which likely means Randle's workload will increase accordingly. By the end of the year, we will know if the success of the running game is a function of the o-line or Murray. If Randle averages 5 yards per carry by year end, you can bet Jerry won't budge from the current offer. If Murray leaves, Randle will take over and Jerry will draft another RB in the fourth or fifth round next year.

If Randle struggles however, look for Jerry to spice up Murrays current offer

Linehan stated that this was NOT the time for pitch counts for Murray. Garrett echoed that, then Jerry goes on his radio show and states that Murray needs fewer touches to prevent wearing him down later. Next thing we know Garrett is back tracking and giving Randle & Dunbar more opportunities.

Both Emmitt, Barry Sanders and other former players go on record stating that this is the wrong approach especially with all the success Cowboys have generated with Murray. Sanders goes so far as saying that Murray is a special talent. Mike Irvin even berates Jerry for using this tactic, inferring that this was contract motivated when Jerry should be thinking championship instead. Murray's records do not only reflect on Murray but this young OL, giving them confidence to believe that their efforts will go down in history. Messing with Murray's touches AND low balling him will have an adverse affect on this team. Jerry's timing could not be worse, we are going to face the toughest challenge to date and this crap is a distraction.

 

[reddyuta]

what precedent is Fisher talking about?

 

[kramskoi]

If this is true then either Jerry, Stephen, or both, have lost their minds. Murray is the focus of this offense now and is on a record pace. You cannot just plug and play just anyone and expect even close to the same production. Sheer lunacy. You would think they learned their lesson when they lowballed Emmitt in '93. SMH

You said it...and I remember Dallas' dismal record to start that season. It no doubt helped Jones see things Emmitt's way. Best money he ever spent and if you push him he will readily admit it. What Emmitt did for the organization...if it ain't legend already, it certainly should be. A VERY special player!

 

[marchetta]

If this is true then either Jerry, Stephen, or both, have lost their minds. Murray is the focus of this offense now and is on a record pace. You cannot just plug and play just anyone and expect even close to the same production. Sheer lunacy. You would think they learned their lesson when they lowballed Emmitt in '93. SMH

Norm (1310 The Ticket) listed ~10 star RBs that had careers similar to Murrays. Being that they were 26 when they became the focal point of their team's offense. They became workhorse RBs at 26, and by 30 every single one was just a shadow of themselves or out of the league all together. Age 26 was their best year, and every year there after their production declined rapidly until they were washed up by 30. So, history shows you don't pay this guy franchise money, unless they want to do it for 1 year. He'll be effective for another year, but after that let him walk.

 

[BAT]

Norm (1310 The Ticket) listed ~10 star RBs that had careers similar to Murrays. Being that they were 26 when they became the focal point of their team's offense. They became workhorse RBs at 26, and by 30 every single one was just a shadow of themselves or out of the league all together. Age 26 was their best year, and every year there after their production declined rapidly until they were washed up by 30. So, history shows you don't pay this guy franchise money, unless they want to do it for 1 year. He'll be effective for another year, but after that let him walk.

How many of these examples by Norm have stood shoulder to shoulder with Jim Brown and OJ Simpson?

 

[kramskoi]

Linehan stated that this was NOT the time for pitch counts for Murray. Garrett echoed that, then Jerry goes on his radio show and states that Murray needs fewer touches to prevent wearing him down later. Next thing we know Garrett is back tracking and giving Randle & Dunbar more opportunities.

Both Emmitt, Barry Sanders and other former players go on record stating that this is the wrong approach especially with all the success Cowboys have generated with Murray. Sanders goes so far as saying that Murray is a special talent. Mike Irvin even berates Jerry for using this tactic, inferring that this was contract motivated when Jerry should be thinking championship instead. Murray's records do not only reflect on Murray but this young OL, giving them confidence to believe that their efforts will go down in history. Messing with Murray's touches AND low balling him will have an adverse affect on this team. Jerry's timing could not be worse, we are going to face the toughest challenge to date and this crap is a distraction.

I am starting to agree with Terrell Davis..."just let the man run and try to get you to a championship". That said, injury has to be a concern at some point. He is on a hellacious pace for running, not to mention receiving and blocking. 416 carries (his current pace) would be record setting, but a league leading 37 rushing first downs is something equally freakish. From that angle, reducing his carries might spare him but if Randle and co. can't pick up the mantle then the offense's effectiveness on third down will be reduced. The catch-22.

Murray has already picked up 37 rushing first downs this season, by far the most in the NFL. Only one other player has rushed for more than 20 first downs this season, and that’s the Giants’ Rashad Jennings, with 26. Murray has more rushing first downs than 28 of the NFL’s 31 other teams. The Raiders have just 12 rushing first downs as a team, not even one-third of Murray’s total.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/demarco-murray-gaining-first-downs-at-a-torrid-pace/

 

[jrumann59]

Personally I think a 4 year deal is supid for Murray to accept, when that contract expires and he will be 30 year old back that no team will commit to long term. If I was him I ask for a 3 year deal or 6 year deal, 3 years he still can go to FA as 29 year old and maybe get a nice 2-3 year deal or the 6 year locks him in here and when its done he will be journeymen RB that team uses as a vet presence behind a young running back.

 

[marchetta]

How many of these examples by Norm have stood shoulder to shoulder with Jim Brown and OJ Simpson?

What difference does it make? The players named by Norm were all star players whose names anyone would recognize and some many would prefer over Murray. Such as Jamal Anderson, Terrell Davis, Larry Johnson, James Wilder, Eric Dickerson, Eddie George, Jarrel Riggs, and Ricky Williams. All of these workhorse RB's carried similar to Murray's numbers at age 26-27, and ALL of their careers were effectively over by age 30. Go here and listen to the podcast entitled "Norm - Murray's Workload"

link: http://www.theticket.com/page.php?page_id=87

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Even if either could equal Murray's historical success (trying very hard not to guffaw here), neither of them is even close to being the complete back that Murray is. Murray is our best RB in pass protection and is a very good receiver out of backfield. Dunbar is just a specialist.

All of that just highlights the lunacy of having only one RB they trust in pass protection and can carry the ball. I would love them to keep Murray but they need to make sure they budget for TWO backs they can rely upon and win with.

 

[BAT]

What difference does it make? The players named by Norm were all star players whose names anyone would recognize and some many would prefer over Murray. Such as Jamal Anderson, Terrell Davis, Larry Johnson, James Wilder, Eric Dickerson, Eddie George, Jarrel Riggs, and Ricky Williams. All of these workhorse RB's carried similar to Murray's numbers at age 26-27, and ALL of their careers were effectively over by age 30. Go here and listen to the podcast entitled "Norm - Murray's Workload"

link: http://www.theticket.com/page.php?page_id=87

The fact that you do not recognize the difference is pretty much a conversation ender. You are closed to the idea that everyone is unique and are capable of doing unprecedented acts. Only one on your list that I take over Murray RIGHT now is Dickerson, and only if still in his prime. Davis was the epitome of system back and was even more injury prone than Murray. Murray has always had the talent, just hampered by injuries and most importantly, opportunity.

Murray has been successful under THREE different play callers, can't say same about either Randle or Dunbar. Murray rushed for over 5 yds/carry and over 1000 yards. Yet Cowboys were ranked 31 of 32 teams in rushing attempts.

 

[kramskoi]

I disagree.

I know the stats. Murray isn't touched until the second level.

But go review the game if you DVR'd it and watch against the Texans how he moved the pile forward. Seldom, and I mean not often at all, this guys gets shoved back.

I remember the spares we've had that looked brilliant in pre-season and stunk on ice when the real games start. I also know the coaches sees these guys daily.

If this was just anyone can do it, you'd see the other guys a lot more often.

Yeah...I am starting to get that Emmitt type feeling about Murray, and I don't think Randle and the rest have the same level of physicality. The thing about Murray is that there is a deceptiveness to him. Where Barber always looked on a rampage, Murray is smooth and efficient. He does not look like he should be so damn good...yet he is! He reminds me a bit of Terrell Davis...just his physical stature.

 

[BAT]

All of that just highlights the lunacy of having only one RB they trust in pass protection and can carry the ball. I would love them to keep Murray but they need to make sure they budget for TWO backs they can rely upon and win with.

Randle is actually a decent all around player but is not of Murray's caliber. Right now, there only TWO backs on par with Murray, and both are in HOF.

Replacing Murray with ONE guy will be difficult enough but you want to find TWO guys like Murray? Murray is on fire right now, no one in the game comes even close.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't know about that. I love the O-line like the next guy but that takes a certain cockiness to feel or say such a thing. If you don't want to overpay for Murray that's fine. I understand that. But that's just one more pick in your draft next year dedicated to a position you already have. But I can understand not wanting to pay the guy big money at his position.

It must also mean they plan on waiting for AP.

 

[kramskoi]

All of that just highlights the lunacy of having only one RB they trust in pass protection and can carry the ball. I would love them to keep Murray but they need to make sure they budget for TWO backs they can rely upon and win with.

Yeah, when the philosophy changes, the structure undergirding it must likely change as well. If Dallas is going to stay with running then they will have to revisit the types of RB's they will go after in the draft and FA. The biggest thing is good blocking for Romo (on blitzes), who needs all the protection he can get at this point.

 

[kramskoi]

Randle is actually a decent all around player but is not of Murray's caliber. Right now, there only TWO backs on par with Murray, and both are in HOF.

Replacing Murray with ONE guy will be difficult enough but you want to find TWO guys like Murray? Murray is on fire right now, no one in the game comes even close.

Man...don't you find it odd that we even need to have this conversation about Murray? We know that he is good but could anyone have foreseen this level of rushing dominance after 5 games. All of a sudden, the Cowboys have problems that many teams wish they also had...namely, how to keep the honey flowing for an entire season.

 

[RS12]

 

[LatinMind]

Was driving and Fisher was on the G-Bag Nation. He said about Murray:

"I will bet anyone, any amount, that Dallas will not negotiate that contract on Murray up. They will not pay him 5 million. They will let him walk and pay the guy behind him 500K. They have set a precedent and will stick to it."

Just repeating what he said.

Like this stance. With an OL like this RBs wont have trouble getting yrds.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yeah...I am starting to get that Emmitt type feeling about Murray, and I don't think Randle and the rest have the same level of physicality. The thing about Murray is that there is a deceptiveness to him. Where Barber always looked on a rampage, Murray is smooth and efficient. He does not look like he should be so damn good...yet he is! He reminds me a bit of Terrell Davis...just his physical stature.

Plus, if you watch him, as he is brought to the ground and another defender is diving in, he will duck that hit. Barber would have started Ali/Fraser II with that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Like this stance. With an OL like this RBs wont have trouble getting yrds.

You've been around for a good while and seen a great deal of football.

Why can't you see this guy has some wiggle the others do not?