Mike Fisher on the radio this morning

[Deep_South]

If Norv is brought in what is the point of Garrett being here? Jason has been the OC since '07. He has no control over who the DC is. He had playcalling taken away from him by Jerry. If Norv comes on board it'll be Jerry bringing him here, not Garrett. So if Garrett is just going to be a HC and not coordinator what is the point in that since he constantly mismanages game situations and timeouts?

With Garrett having a year left on his contract it wouldn't surprise me a bit for Jerry to bring Norv here as OC and then let Garrett walk next year if we miss the playoffs again while promoting Norv to HC.

Bill Callahan is the OC. I know, it's hard to tell at times....

 

[MikeT22]

Bill Callahan is the OC. I know, it's hard to tell at times....

Is he OC or was he just given playcalling duties? Either way JG was OC from 07 til at least going into last year. He doesn't have the authority of a real HC and what he does have control over he's not good at it.

My point is just that if Norv is hired then there's really no need for JG. It could be Jerry is giving him one more chance since he has 1 yr left on his contract. If we have similar results next year then good chance Norv takes over.

Norv as OC has been fine, but he's a proven failure as HC. That said, in '07 when it came down to Wade and Norv, even though I didn't want either I wish we had hired Norv. First it would've spared us Wade and most importantly, it would've spared us Garrett. If he was out by '10 like Wade was then we could've moved on to someone else instead of being saddled with learning-on-the-job Jason.

 

[TonyRomo17]

i wonder if with norv , dez would actually get the targets he deserves

 

[VThokie7]

I don't think that's the case. I don't think Garrett would have cared about the play-calling if Callahan had been succeeding at it.

Dallas (meaning Jerry) might decide that it prefers for Garrett to continue as a walk-around coach and let someone else call the plays.

It wasn't any better once he took it over. Or the previous 2 seasons he was the play caller. We still fail to show up in multiple games, struggle to get Dez the ball, and abandon the run whether Garrett calls the plays or not.

 

[gimmesix]

By *every* account, Garrett was very unhappy about Jerry taking his playcalling away.

Now if Jerry insists on someone else like he did this year, I think Norv would be as good as you could get in this system of offense. Of course I'd rather we had something new and fresh, but isn't going to happen as long as Garrett is here.

I'd rather we have someone new and fresh, too, but I'm doubtful Garrett is going to completely junk his system and let someone come in and run a new system.

Although Garrett's system is a *******ized version of Norv's, I think Turner is about the closest thing we could get to Garrett to run what's in place while being allowed to tweak it some.

I really don't think the play-calling issue is a big deal to Garrett if someone like Norv is brought in. If Garrett promotes someone or brings in an "unproven" coach, I expect him to resume play-calling.

 

[gimmesix]

It wasn't any better once he took it over. Or the previous 2 seasons he was the play caller. We still fail to show up in multiple games, struggle to get Dez the ball, and abandon the run whether Garrett calls the plays or not.

Oh, no doubt. I'm definitely not advocating Garrett calling the plays or his scheme. I blame the system far more for the faults of the offense than Callahan.

In fact, based on Callahan's previous work as a play-caller, I think we would have been much better off on offense if Dallas had let him install his scheme. But we are stuck with Garrett as the head coach and thus stuck with his scheme, so we need to bring in someone who can make the most of that.

 

[cml750]

If Norv is brought in what is the point of Garrett being here? Jason has been the OC since '07. He has no control over who the DC is. He had playcalling taken away from him by Jerry. If Norv comes on board it'll be Jerry bringing him here, not Garrett. So if Garrett is just going to be a HC and not coordinator what is the point in that since he constantly mismanages game situations and timeouts?

With Garrett having a year left on his contract it wouldn't surprise me a bit for Jerry to bring Norv here as OC and then let Garrett walk next year if we miss the playoffs again while promoting Norv to HC.

I hate to break it to you but Garrett ain't going anywhere for the next several years. Jerry has to be proven right by him. He is his "pet" and he would rather lose than admit he was wrong. He has already wasted Romo's best years as well as Ware and Witten on his pet coaching project while "training" him. We are stuck with Garrett for the long haul. Our best hope is he finally learns how to coach after we start spiraling down next year due to age and rebuild. Maybe he will be able to coach after 7 or 8 years on the job. Apparently it is a very long "process".

 

[Rogerthat12]

Jerry wants to keep the "training wheels" on Garrett, so I guess he still will not "allow" him to call his own offense!

 

[ConstantReboot]

Garrett is the problem in this team. The problem is that each of the top dogs like to meddle with what the others are responsible for. Jerry meddles with coaching decisions. Garrett meddles with playcalling duties when it suites him. When he loses, he blames others.

Garrett is not the right coach for this team. He doesn't provide any leadership qualities and has in many times caused us to lose games. If we didn't have Garrett as a coach, we would have cruised into the playoffs.

If Garrett is coach next year and probably he will. Expect more mediocrity. Expect another 8-8 season.

 

[LatinMind]

There is a rift between Garrett and Callahan.

Fisher says that sometime around the bye week, Garrett went to Jerry and asked permission (yes asked permission) to have play calling duties back. Jerry said no but they agreed to some type of sharing of the play calling duties. Believes as the season went along, Jason gained more control of the play calling (not sure if 100% control like BB has been saying). Callahan obviously is rifted by this.

He also said some in VR would like to replace Callahan with Norv Turner now that he is free. Fisher said Garrett sees Norv as a father figure. Pollack would then be promoted to the oline coach.

He also doesn't believe that Marinelli is going anywhere as long as things end amicably with Kiffin.

Since nothing is really changing at the top, he said Cowboys fans need to put their hopes on Will McClay.

Id love Norv in Dallas

 

[mrmojo]

Could you imagine Landry, Jimmy or Parcells having to ask permission? This organization is messed up... .

 

[Dodger12]

Sure.
Which QB is closer to Aikman in size, throwing motion and accuracy on timing routes?

Lol...not Orton.....!!!!

 

[NumOneQB]

Ringling brothers has moved into Cowboy stadium and hired a new ringmaster in Jerry Jones, apparently.

 

[dreghorn2]

The desperation in this thread is palpable.

 

[coult44]

Who's training JG? Callahan? Kiffen? Marinelli? Jerry? It only makes since that JJ brings in another professional trainer.

Also, it doesn't matter who was calling the plays, JG, Callahan, or Romo. None of them were gonna give Murray the ball, everyone of them were vanilla as vanilla gets, and it was the same play book. Our offensive scheme was horrible, and by week 10 the entire league had us figured out..

And to whoever said when Romo was not hurt he threw the ball well. When ware was healthy he used to be dominant. When Lee is healthy he's very good. Now that Tony has had two back surgeries, mark it down, he will NEVER be the way he was.

 

[kojak]

Garrett is the problem in this team. The problem is that each of the top dogs like to meddle with what the others are responsible for. Jerry meddles with coaching decisions. Garrett meddles with playcalling duties when it suites him. When he loses, he blames others.

Garrett is not the right coach for this team. He doesn't provide any leadership qualities and has in many times caused us to lose games. If we didn't have Garrett as a coach, we would have cruised into the playoffs.

If Garrett is coach next year and probably he will. Expect more mediocrity. Expect another 8-8 season.

If they don't try and fix this defense in the offseason next year could be a lot worse than 8-8. Tough schedule at home.
Cowboys’ opponents at home:

New York Giants (7-9)

Philadelphia (10-6)

Washington (3-13)

Arizona (10-6)

San Francisco (12-4)

Houston (2-14)

Indianapolis (11-5)

New Orleans (11-5)

Cowboys’ road games:

New York Giants (7-9)

Philadelphia (10-6)

Washington (3-13)

St. Louis (7-9)

Seattle (13-3)

Jacksonville (4-12) — at London

Tennessee (7-9)

Chicago (8-8)

 

[noshame]

Please tell us why. And do it without your hate on Romo. Romo can make some damn good throws when he is not injured.

If some of you think Romo would function in Norv's offense there's nothing I can say. Romo is a fit in a WCO system. Period

 

[jterrell]

Argued with Fish via twitter on this.
Norv would be a terrible choice.
1992 isn't coming back. So please stop trying to put that band back together.
If we get a new OC the guy should run modern schemes in the mix not more Coryell/Zampese stuff.
Norv has had boatloads of chances since being a Cowboy and largely come up empty.

This team isn't good enough to be predictable. Even with a great offensive season we failed to keep Dez involved, to run the ball with any consistency or surprise anyone almost ever.
I want to see pick plays, less 0 sets and to not know the play we are running based on formation.

McClay is top college personnel guy. He runs the scouts and sets boards. He is the guy Most responsible for last years strong draft. He was also responsible for a lot of good pro finds in previous couple seasons amongst retreads and cast offs.

 

[Fredd]

IMO, age is an undermining factor in what is wrong with this team...they keep players too long and certainly right now in the coaching ranks, the age of the coaches is ridiculous...Jones wants people that have had some success in the past, and sometimes, that isn't a bad idea...but if they brought in turner, keep Callahan, have Marinelli and sleepy-time Kiffin are here, that is about 250 years of age between 4 coaches...yikes

I believe the best scenario is to grab an offensive-minded OC from the college ranks like a Briles (insert good offensive coach name here); he isn't exactly young, but he is in regards to NFL experience (of course); someone that is forward thinking that can bring some pizzazz to the offense; then, on defense, you MUST bring in someone with experience in the NFL; my preference is to get one of the Seattle guys if they can or would come here; or possibly even someone like Frazier who could just focus on defense and not everything that HC has to deal with

I said it in another thread that having all of the "experience" in the coaching staff has to affect Garrett negatively; he will never be known as "the guy" when these others are there...it is kinda like picking teams in basketball (sandlot); you know that your buddies who are older have scored the ball before, but your young, 15-year old nephew might be ok at playing ball, but you KNOW how to play, and he isn't going to be your point guard...and, your 15-year old nephew, while he may think he can play point guard, is probably waiting for someone with more experience to take the ball in their hands

in other words, garrett is too timid to NOT let the guys with more experience take over....I say it is time to bring a young hot-shot in to run the offense and take that unit to a different plateau...Garrett doesn't know about defense so leave that to someone that still has some fire, and is not older than dirt

of course, I can see none of this happening since JJ will continue to hire people that were coaching before the baby-boomers were born...he relates to guys in that age bucket...but, something has to change with this mindset

 

[morasp]

Garrett being told not call plays seems like the tip of the iceberg. Would love to hear more stories like that about the day to day decisions this team makes. Troy told a story about Jerry and Switzer after Switzer tried to carry a gun through airport security. Jerry wanted to fire him and called Troy for advice. The season was about to start and Troy had to tell him that would be a disaster for the team and the season. He didn't realize that himself.