Mike Martz: Deep Dive Analysis of Dak's Ints This Year

[CowboyRoy]

We know what Dak is. No need to see anymore. He’s solid.

Football minds like Martz know what Dak is. Guys like you have no clue what Dak is.

While you have been trumpeting the Daltons and the Rushes of the world, Dak has continued to make a complete mockery of you and your band of doubters.

Looks like all we have to look forward to is another mediocre 12 win season eh? Maybe we will make the playoffs again. Such sad times in Dallas eh?

If only we had kept Dalton and dumped Dak.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So that means what? Did he not orchestrate one of the greatest offenses?

Why are you arguing? Mountaingirl Trollboy knows more than Martz.

"duh what does Martz know"?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Poor receiver play, sloppy scheme, and a QB who ultimately tries to overcompensate by playing hero ball.

If Dallas is committed to being a outside zone offense, then run it like San Francisco runs it and stop trying to show everyone how smart you are.

Romo was the hero ball guy.

But lets be honest here...................you cant run it like SF with a weak Oline and Zeke Elliott. That is laughable.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What’s moronic is you can’t escape what you wrote: Martz didn’t always have top shelf talent and a HOFer is your example ? Keep spinning, Missy.

Can we establish that Martz knows football better than you do? He likes Dak and clearly he was trying to teach you who was at fault for most of the picks.

Which makes complete sense as throwing lots of picks is not the norm in Dak's career. Unlike Romo he has typically been very good at managing his picks. Its has rarely been a problem.

Now certainly you dont like it because it doesnt suit your Dak sucks agenda.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If Martz said it's all Daks fault the bash dak crowd would say finally someone who gets it. He is a genius. If Joe Bob burpee from XFL says it's Saks fault, they would say he belongs in NFL and is HOF material...

I did this EXACT exercise two weeks ago going over all the 15 picks from the regular season and I had 8 of them as Dak's fault. Martz had less. I dont agree with him for all of them he says are receivers fault, but he definitely brings up a great angle on the plays and what the receivers are simply NOT doing correctly. AS it turns out Gallup was simply horrible last year.

But again, he missed all of TC and 5 games of the season. Had ZERO work with Dak in the offseason. Makes a lot of sense. Brown having a big role. Gallup having no offseason with Dak and Lamb having a new increased role in the offense. Shultz missed 5 games early. Big lack of continuity.

But we still won 12 games.

Werent the Dak turds telling us just a few years ago that stats dont matter as long as we win?

Hilarious how the narrative changes every year. Now were winning and all of a sudden stats matter. LOL

 

[Nova]

He went to a superbowl and nfc championship and won division multiple times....so now he is a joke because?...oh never mind he didn't criticize Dak so he doesn't know football. But a bunch of internet message board heros are all oh so smart... got it

This Dak supporter/Dak Hater nonsense has infected this board’s perception of everything.

I don’t care what he has or hasn’t said about Dak. I don’t doubt that Martz knows more football than I do; I only played, never coached.

But it doesn’t change the perception of Martz around the last time he had a NFL job. His name was synonymous abandoning the run, getting too cute, and odd situational play calls.

My comment was in response to the weir Martz worship.

 

[Rockport]

People tend to hear what they want to hear.

That’s why you need an expert like Martz to spell it out to the ignorants.

 

[Rockport]

This Dak supporter/Dak Hater nonsense has infected this board’s perception of everything.

I don’t care what he has or hasn’t said about Dak. I don’t doubt that Martz knows more football than I do; I only played, never coached.

But it doesn’t change the perception of Martz around the last time he had a NFL job. His name was synonymous abandoning the run, getting too cute, and odd situational play calls.

My comment was in response to the weir Martz worship.

You got any proof of that?

 

[CowboyRoy]

This Dak supporter/Dak Hater nonsense has infected this board’s perception of everything.

I don’t care what he has or hasn’t said about Dak. I don’t doubt that Martz knows more football than I do; I only played, never coached.

But it doesn’t change the perception of Martz around the last time he had a NFL job. His name was synonymous abandoning the run, getting too cute, and odd situational play calls.

My comment was in response to the weir Martz worship.

Those trying to discredit Martz to try and discredit his message seems desperate.

It underlines the biased agenda of the Dak (Dark) side.

There is little reason or facts in the opinions. More emotion and agenda.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

LOL, you really have no ****** clue.

Yeah..
Like i already said that.

Im a big enough man to admit i was presumptuous....misleading even.

Unlike some internet tough guy bullies.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This Dak supporter/Dak Hater nonsense has infected this board’s perception of everything.

I don’t care what he has or hasn’t said about Dak. I don’t doubt that Martz knows more football than I do; I only played, never coached.

But it doesn’t change the perception of Martz around the last time he had a NFL job. His name was synonymous abandoning the run, getting too cute, and odd situational play calls.

My comment was in response to the weir Martz worship.

Isn't that the case for almost every coach. Sooner than later the game changes and they don't and game as they say passes them by. Landry struggled his last few years and was fired. Some sooner than later. Some last longer.

And the fact that he won multiple divisions and won superbowl and went to NFCG doesn't change. You want to knock career and accomplishments for the last few years of his career? Makes no sense.

 

[phildadon86]

Can we establish that Martz knows football better than you do? He likes Dak and clearly he was trying to teach you who was at fault for most of the picks.

Which makes complete sense as throwing lots of picks is not the norm in Dak's career. Unlike Romo he has typically been very good at managing his picks. Its has rarely been a problem.

Now certainly you dont like it because it doesnt suit your Dak sucks agenda.

The best part is. Some people here have no issue saying Daniel freaking Jones is better than Dak because Dak threw 15 picks. They will use the one outlier season where Dak was more turnover prone to bash him but don’t take into the account the 4 years of Jones throwing picks and fumbling the ball. Lol.

 

[LatinMind]

What I get from this is Martz saying Dak made some throws he had no business throwing.

But also some of daks ints are alot of bad route running. Singles in on Brown and Gallup. But is also very critical of the playcalling. Even says idk why you would run that play during the video.

Gallups issues just looks like he couldn't plant to cut or come back on routes. Having to curve routes allowing dbs to undercut his routes for easy ints. Brown just isn't good enough to have the role he had last yr.

That first int that dak threw vs the niners Martz actually says it's on Gallup, as the throw looks like a comeback but Gallup just stops and the cb cuts his route. He says dak throws it late but says if Gallup just finishes the route he catches it or it's a incomplete but not a int.

Interesting the way he breaks down and points out, if you look where dak places balls where routes should be, but Gallup and brown ran bad comeback routes regularly. That's weird because that's moores go to pass route. He's the OC how come he wasn't grilling the wrs on comeback routes?

When a coach breaks it down, you can see just how bad moores game planning was.

 

[Nova]

Isn't that the case for almost every coach. Sooner than later the game changes and they don't and game as they say passes them by. Landry struggled his last few years and was fired. Some sooner than later. Some last longer.

And the fact that he won multiple divisions and won superbowl and went to NFCG doesn't change. You want to knock career and accomplishments for the last few years of his career? Makes no sense.

Except for Martz it was sooner rather than later. Dude was a coordinator / head coach with the rams between ‘99 and ‘05, and then he failed to replicate his early success with the Rams in his next, and final, three gigs in the NFL.

I’m not trying to knock, or cheapen his accomplishments. My response was, again, to the glorification of Martz when probably no one would have called him a quality coordinator at the end. Yet some people are now saying he is an “offensive genius” and implying he deserves of an NFL job again. Dude coached himself out of the league long ago.

It was a comment on how time skews perception.

 

[Nova]

You got any proof of that?

It’s hard to take the temperature of popular opinion from 2005ish through 2010. Twitter was in its infancy, a lot of message boards from the time are now defunct, and there aren’t many mundane, low-res ESPN clips from the time in YouTube.

But this kind of helps.

 

[Nova]

Those trying to discredit Martz to try and discredit his message seems desperate.

It underlines the biased agenda of the Dak (Dark) side.

There is little reason or facts in the opinions. More emotion and agenda.

It’s ridiculous.

A lot of people just want to be right in their long held beliefs in the guy.

They want to win the argument, nothing more.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Except for Martz it was sooner rather than later. Dude was a coordinator / head coach with the rams between ‘99 and ‘05, and then he failed to replicate his early success with the Rams in his next, and final, three gigs in the NFL.

I’m not trying to knock, or cheapen his accomplishments. My response was, again, to the glorification of Martz when probably no one would have called him a quality coordinator at the end. Yet some people are now saying he is an “offensive genius” and implying he deserves of an NFL job again. Dude coached himself out of the league long ago.

It was a comment on how time skews perception.

well isn't that what I said? people hopped on Warner bandwagon when he criticized Dak. his career ended sooner than later, but now its all the rage that Martz career ended sooner than later. what gives?

there is no glorification. not sure where you read that. its that he didn't criticize Dak incessently as Dak bashers do and now its glorification in their mind.

and during the few years the rams had some of the best offenses in the league. it was innovative at the time and its elements of quick hitting offense still exist today.

btw, who says he deserves a job today? Linehan at some point was a good OC and had innovative effective offenses. time passed him by. he doesn't deserve a job. I can list 100s of coaches who don't deserve a job any more.

there is no perception. he understands football way more than any single person on this board, by 10 fold if not more. so to diss what he accomplished because it doesn't fit the agenda is totally assinine.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The best part is. Some people here have no issue saying Daniel freaking Jones is better than Dak because Dak threw 15 picks. They will use the one outlier season where Dak was more turnover prone to bash him but don’t take into the account the 4 years of Jones throwing picks and fumbling the ball. Lol.

no they have no problem saying it because some dude behind a keyboard who never played football said it. but Martz who actually coached and has a ring, nah he is not credible. insane isn't it

 

[Nova]

well isn't that what I said? people hopped on Warner bandwagon when he criticized Dak. his career ended sooner than later, but now its all the rage that Martz career ended sooner than later. what gives?

there is no glorification. not sure where you read that. its that he didn't criticize Dak incessently as Dak bashers do and now its glorification in their mind.

and during the few years the rams had some of the best offenses in the league. it was innovative at the time and its elements of quick hitting offense still exist today.

btw, who says he deserves a job today? Linehan at some point was a good OC and had innovative effective offenses. time passed him by. he doesn't deserve a job. I can list 100s of coaches who don't deserve a job any more.

there is no perception. he understands football way more than any single person on this board, by 10 fold if not more. so to diss what he accomplished because it doesn't fit the agenda is totally assinine.

Agree to disagree

 

[CowboyRoy]

The best part is. Some people here have no issue saying Daniel freaking Jones is better than Dak because Dak threw 15 picks. They will use the one outlier season where Dak was more turnover prone to bash him but don’t take into the account the 4 years of Jones throwing picks and fumbling the ball. Lol.

More bozo qb analysis from the Dak side.