Mike Martz: Deep Dive Analysis of Dak's Ints This Year

[88sAndHeartbreak]

He overthrew a lot of passes that year and the D dropped a high number of those.

It made his stats look great but I thought it wouldn't last.

It hasn't.

Last year speaks for itself.

Stats dont speak for themselves. Especially when an accredited person with NFL/Super Bowl level experience, that specialized in QB play and WR routes says every INT wasn't on Dak.

Iam in no way saying Dak was perfect... just not as bad as that INT stat made it seem.

 

[iceberg]

Stats dont speak for themselves. Especially when an accredited person with NFL/Super Bowl level experience, that specialized in QB play and WR routes says every INT wasn't on Dak.

Iam in no way saying Dak was perfect... just not as bad as that INT stat made it seem.

Where did I say every one was on him?

Don't think I did.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Where did I say every one was on him?

Don't think I did.

In your posts you made no mention of anyone else that would be at fault... except for Dak.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Oh yea. This is why you were on ignore.

My bad. Back you go

Haha! I was on ignore but you saw my post….get your sensitive *** on somewhere lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This could be said about every QB in history, so iam not exactly sure what your point is...

Same thing I said but he got on me and accused me of attacking him…..every quarterback has dropped picks.

 

[McMicah]

Yes, it looks like there was bad play design on a couple of those, and yes WRs took a few of those plays off, but go back and watch.

On several of those 1 or 2 other receivers were running wide open. I also think some receivers took the play off because they were thinking ‘I’m covered. Dak would be an idiot to throw it here’, and he did.

Frankly, I also think Daks receivers get inaccuracy fatigue. They get so tired of sailed or dirt balls, jumping and diving, that it just impacts morale and ultimately effort. I think Beasley had it and Cooper had it. Yes, these guys are pros but they are also human, as is Dak.

I hope everyone gets better (including playcalling) next year and Dak plays out of his mind. Time will tell.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

5 hall of famers (once Holt gets in) may have helped a little.

You ever notice though most great coaches have hall of fame players? Phil Jackson had Kobe, Shaq, MJ….Jimmy had Mike, Emmitt, Irvin etc…..

You ever seen bad coaches have 5 hall famers? How many Dave Campo have?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Spot on. Mike Martz was referring to the exact same thing.

Definitely, and I do think Martz's opinion has a lot of weight. Especially since, like McCarthy, the WCO is a key part of his play designs and system. So, I think that he is a good person to understand what happened. I think it's key, especially on the route selections, that the WR be precise with the route running. Never want to give a DB a tell as to what the route is.

I think the shift to the WCO will be good for our WRs, as well as for Dak. I think part of the help will be the fact that the WRs will be able to maintain momentum on routes, which means that the DBs won't be able to clue in on the route.

 

[T-RO]

Frankly, I also think Daks receivers get inaccuracy fatigue. They get so tired of sailed or dirt balls, jumping and diving, that it just impacts morale and ultimately effort. I think Beasley had it and Cooper had it.

Wild flailing conjecture.
-Beasley recently said he had his best year with Dak.
-Amari's only known complaint is that Dak wasn't throwing him enough balls. So Amari wanted more fatigue and morale beatdown?

This is just beyond silly.

 

[McMicah]

Wild flailing conjecture.
-Beasley recently said he had his best year with Dak.
-Amari's only known complaint is that Dak wasn't throwing him enough balls. So Amari wanted more fatigue and morale beatdown?

This is just beyond silly.

Yes. Conjecture. That’s what ‘I think…’ means. This entire forum is conjecture. And I think (this is conjecture again, just so know up front) that only an idiot player would criticize a team or other player in the league to the media. It takes future prospects away as a player or future pundit. We will never know these players opinions of one another until it is long past relevant.

 

[CowboyoWales]

On several of those 1 or 2 other receivers were running wide open. I also think some receivers took the play off because they were thinking ‘I’m covered. Dak would be an idiot to throw it here’, and he did.

Good post from a centralist point of view (there arent many of us on this fence).

The 'the receivers werent open' vrs 'Hilton was open (as many talking head mentioned)' somewhat supports your point and suggests that the basis of the problem is the design of the play, designed (IMO) not for the benefit or skillsets of Dak OR receivers.

That receiver corp didnt get open, so why design plays that appear .....scattergun and hope that one of them gets open, ESPECIALLY, when Dak's not comfortable with having to go through progressions (WITH DEFENSES THAT CHANGE POST SNAP).

I am convinced a WCO would suit all concerned, get Dak managing and marching the chains. OK it's not the way of the League, but it suits us....if we cant get separation as the play develops, get the ball to our CeeDee's/Cooks and look for them to play their ace YAC.

 

[plasticman]

Which HC won more Super Bowls, genius Martz or dumbo McCarthy?

Wasn't Martz handed the "Greatest Show on Earth"? Considering his infinite knowledge, how was he not able to do with Vermiel's team what Barry Switzer did with Jimmy Johnson's?

 

[Typhus]

Dak shouldn't have thrown that ball to Gallup, and there are plenty more passes he shouldn't have thrown. Nothing about Gilmore being in front of Gallup on that route says throw it. Martz is wrong for blaming MG that's on Dak.

Lots of peeps making up excuses for under performers these days.

 

[Typhus]

Gilmore had outside leverage and was underneath the route before the ball was thrown...it was doomed. Even Martz said if MG ran a go he had an advantage, but for an out or comeback it was easy for Gilmore because he had position. You want MG to cross Gilmore's face and take the ball that was never going to happen.

QB should instantly recognize the route, there are starting QBs in this limited league that can not process coverage schemes.
Dak is a prime example and leads the pack of wide eyed and mystified.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I mean the guy basically threw two pick-6s in a row (Commanders) and we are out here blaming receivers for crying out loud

That was a classic Prescott T/O vs D.C. as if you don't get it right the first time try try again.
BOOM pick 6....another and only luck has saved him from having at least 6-8 Pick 6's last season.
Folks keep a small bowl for those SB cherries come Sept as Prescott ain't changing and no running game on the planet can save us.

 

[NotForLong]

On several of those 1 or 2 other receivers were running wide open. I also think some receivers took the play off because they were thinking ‘I’m covered. Dak would be an idiot to throw it here’, and he did.

Frankly, I also think Daks receivers get inaccuracy fatigue. They get so tired of sailed or dirt balls, jumping and diving, that it just impacts morale and ultimately effort. I think Beasley had it and Cooper had it. Yes, these guys are pros but they are also human, as is Dak.

I hope everyone gets better (including playcalling) next year and Dak plays out of his mind. Time will tell.

This is something that cannot be accounted for by all the Stat Merchants . . . And they like it that way

Oh well. . . At least He is working on things and getting better. . . We are lucky to have Him and an extension is coming because Who Else Are We gonna Start . . . And He is Aging like Brady so that is something to believe in and look forward to . . . but just you wait because all we need is a system that understands Dak and the West Coast is that system . . .

Just because . . .

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

At least he’s got skins on the wall, which is far more than anyone in here.

Totally agree! You;d think some people have lombardis in their closet.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, it looks like there was bad play design on a couple of those, and yes WRs took a few of those plays off, but go back and watch.

On several of those 1 or 2 other receivers were running wide open. I also think some receivers took the play off because they were thinking ‘I’m covered. Dak would be an idiot to throw it here’, and he did.

Frankly, I also think Daks receivers get inaccuracy fatigue. They get so tired of sailed or dirt balls, jumping and diving, that it just impacts morale and ultimately effort. I think Beasley had it and Cooper had it. Yes, these guys are pros but they are also human, as is Dak.

I hope everyone gets better (including playcalling) next year and Dak plays out of his mind. Time will tell.

If that’s how our receivers think then we are doomed. Receivers should not take plays off because they are covered…..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Seems that you have no idea what Martz's professional journey was and are making up convenient stories for yourself.

You know what...you are right. Called me out. I made an assumption there.

My compliments.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Which HC won more Super Bowls, genius Martz or dumbo McCarthy?

Wasn't Martz handed the "Greatest Show on Earth"? Considering his infinite knowledge, how was he not able to do with Vermiel's team what Barry Switzer did with Jimmy Johnson's?

Greatest show on Turd was nowhere near as good as Jimmys team….that’s arguably one of the best rosters of all time…

Mind you, Barry actually lost with that roster….and it had Deion on it.