Mike Martz's take on Trey Lance

[Qcard]

Mike Martz gives favorable reviews for Dak Prescott, while giving poor reviews of Trey Lance.

I have a bad feeling about this thread's future...

Well at least these are YouTubers....9 to 10 pages

Traditional media felons like Carton is worth 50 pages....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lance has not thrown an NFL pass during that year.

That was not my point. Necroing old news and pretending it's new is fun tho amirite?

 

[Chasing6]

So if you believe the Cowboys to already have a top 3 draft talent in Trey Lance, would you be fine with the idea of them forgoing drafting a QB for the next several seasons after Dak is gone? Even if they have a chance at a top 5 draft pick?

Sure, but I don't believe that or anything close to that.

 

[Chasing6]

Funny, that's not what his scouting report said:

Strengths:

* Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame. * Makes calls to set his own protections. * Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups. * Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite. * Passing scheme encourages full-field reads. * Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected. * Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule. * Taking care of the football is a priority for him. * Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce. * Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup. * Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage. * Adequate anticipation on timing routes. * Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers. * Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes. * Above-average speed, athleticism and power when heâs on the move as a runner. * Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

Weaknesses:

* Highly inexperienced with just 318 pass attempts under his belt. * Will be 20 years old at the time of the 2021 draft. * Gets a little lackadaisical with his feet in quick game. * Needs to trust his pocket. * Has a tendency to void pocket rather than sliding and surveilling. * Pressure pulls his attention from deliverable throws. * Needs to become more decisive and trust his eyes. * Leaves lower half behind, diminishing his drive velocity. * Occasionally leaves explosive plays on the field by not getting it out on time. * Leaves too many deep balls short, allowing defenders to challenge. * Can be overly cautious. * Needs to get his slide game up and minimize collisions as a runner.

Taken from here: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

That bolded part in the strengths is what Dak is oft criticized for.

However, the bolded part in the weaknesses counters the bolded part in strengths: if you don't pull the trigger fast enough even though you process quickly, then it hurts the latter.

Sounds like a FB to me.

 

[Buzzbait]

I agree with you 100 percent. My point is the entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem.

You hit the nail on the head CT. The Dak super haters swear Dak is the problem. Period. The opposite party defends Dak above all else. But the real truth is exactly what you said in bold above:
"The entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem."
But to some it has to be all or nothing. Dak has to be all the problem or none of the problem.
Dak stunk in that GB game till GB had it under control and started backing off. BUT! to stop there lets the defense totally off the hook for allowing GB to march up and down the field almost at will. Our defense was utterly terrible! There's no freaking way whatsoever our defense should get a pass for that stinking performance. And neither side can claim their lowly performance was the fault of the other.

 

[Buzzbait]

I love these Dak threads

 

[LittleD]

Not really. Since he will not be playing during the regular season.

Dak will be making business decisions after the first pocket smash.

 

[LittleD]

How do we do that with him on the bench? Or are you suggesting he starts this year?

He will play the whole pre-season and if he does will, he might take over when Dak makes his business decision.

 

[StuckMojo]

I personally believe it was just a waste of a fourth round draft pick trading for Lance

 

[diamonddelts]

I'm ready to listen to a better football person than Mike Martz a guy who wants to pass pass pass

From an empty set with no blockers in sight.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You hit the nail on the head CT. The Dak super haters swear Dak is the problem. Period. The opposite party defends Dak above all else. But the real truth is exactly what you said in bold above:
"The entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem."
But to some it has to be all or nothing. Dak has to be all the problem or none of the problem.
Dak stunk in that GB game till GB had it under control and started backing off. BUT! to stop there lets the defense totally off the hook for allowing GB to march up and down the field almost at will. Our defense was utterly terrible! There's no freaking way whatsoever our defense should get a pass for that stinking performance. And neither side can claim their lowly performance was the fault of the other.

"super haters"? Who "swear dak is the problem period"?

Such as who?

Nobody...NOBODY thinks Dak is the one and only problem... "PERIOD".

Some yahoo posted that pap said it. First it's pap..2nd that isn't what he said in the cited quote.

If you'd like to give it a spin...I'm all ears. Er...eyes?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Funny, that's not what his scouting report said:

Strengths:

* Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame. * Makes calls to set his own protections. * Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups. * Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite. * Passing scheme encourages full-field reads. * Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected. * Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule. * Taking care of the football is a priority for him. * Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce. * Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup. * Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage. * Adequate anticipation on timing routes. * Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers. * Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes. * Above-average speed, athleticism and power when heâs on the move as a runner. * Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

Weaknesses:

* Highly inexperienced with just 318 pass attempts under his belt. * Will be 20 years old at the time of the 2021 draft. * Gets a little lackadaisical with his feet in quick game. * Needs to trust his pocket. * Has a tendency to void pocket rather than sliding and surveilling. * Pressure pulls his attention from deliverable throws. * Needs to become more decisive and trust his eyes. * Leaves lower half behind, diminishing his drive velocity. * Occasionally leaves explosive plays on the field by not getting it out on time. * Leaves too many deep balls short, allowing defenders to challenge. * Can be overly cautious. * Needs to get his slide game up and minimize collisions as a runner.

Taken from here: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

That bolded part in the strengths is what Dak is oft criticized for.

However, the bolded part in the weaknesses counters the bolded part in strengths: if you don't pull the trigger fast enough even though you process quickly, then it hurts the latter.

For some reason.... you aren't getting much traction here.

We got a lot of hating by the people bullying others about their alleged hate.

Strange world we live in. People just have no self-awareness or maybe its zero shame.

 

[4lifecowboy]

You hit the nail on the head CT. The Dak super haters swear Dak is the problem. Period. The opposite party defends Dak above all else. But the real truth is exactly what you said in bold above:
"The entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem."
But to some it has to be all or nothing. Dak has to be all the problem or none of the problem.
Dak stunk in that GB game till GB had it under control and started backing off. BUT! to stop there lets the defense totally off the hook for allowing GB to march up and down the field almost at will. Our defense was utterly terrible! There's no freaking way whatsoever our defense should get a pass for that stinking performance. And neither side can claim their lowly performance was the fault of the other.

True assessment, but like it or not he is the QB, he takes the lion share of the salary cap, he takes the lion share of the blame. He is paid to lead this team, it can't be both ways. Don't want the blame, don't demand to be paid the highest salary.

 

[khiladi]

Wow, Dak’s mechanics were so impressive the first 4 years of his career and still are….

Mike Martz clearly has stock invested in Dak. He basically said that’s Gallup could have broken up the INT against the 49ers, even though he subtly acknowledged Dak had no business throwing it.

That being said, who the F cares about Lance. He’s got 1 year.. Dak on the other hand is in year 9 of dumbing down the offense and sucking it up..

 

[khiladi]

You know what Dak proved on his Senior year in college.. he can’t beat ranked teams and he padded his stats losing to ranked teams when the games were way over.. just like he does now

 

[SultanOfSix]

For some reason.... you aren't getting much traction here.

We got a lot of hating by the people bullying others about their alleged hate.

Strange world we live in. People just have no self-awareness or maybe its zero shame.

Well, I don't have anything financially dependency on Dak's millions.

But seriously, I was never a Dak hater. I thought he played well often enough in the regular season. Unfortunately for him, his play didn't seem to translate to better teams in the regular season and the playoffs and that matters far more. I don't think he's going to get better, so I think it's time to really start thinking about the next QB instead of locking the guy in with a huge contract for another five years. I think the Lance move was one of the few very good moves by Jerry: low risk, high reward. Since Jerry made the trade, I have watched most of his videos on the YouTube about Lance to see with my own eyes how he plays and have also read different things about him. I think he has high potential but he needs to play and gain experience. Him being injured already twice is a bit concerning (shades of "snake-bit" Romo), but that could just be early flukes in his career. I look forward to seeing what he does in the preseason. And if it doesn't work out, then it finally might force the hand of the team to spend a high draft pick on a QB for the first time in thirty five years next year if he doesn't draft a prospect this year. But if it does work out, then the team is set at QB for at least ten years. But that won't really be known until the playoffs come around again for the team and if Lance is QB and gets the team farther than it has been in the past thirty years.

 

[starman22]

I know the defense sucks, but Dak doesn’t have to suck in the playoffs too just because the defense does.

How’s that?

Perfect

 

[kskboys]

Well, I don't have anything financially dependency on Dak's millions.

But seriously, I was never a Dak hater. I thought he played well often enough in the regular season. Unfortunately for him, his play didn't seem to translate to better teams in the regular season and the playoffs and that matters far more. I don't think he's going to get better, so I think it's time to really start thinking about the next QB instead of locking the guy in with a huge contract for another five years. I think the Lance move was one of the few very good moves by Jerry: low risk, high reward. Since Jerry made the trade, I have watched most of his videos on the YouTube about Lance to see with my own eyes how he plays and have also read different things about him. I think he has high potential but he needs to play and gain experience. Him being injured already twice is a bit concerning (shades of "snake-bit" Romo), but that could just be early flukes in his career. I look forward to seeing what he does in the preseason. And if it doesn't work out, then it finally might force the hand of the team to spend a high draft pick on a QB for the first time in thirty five years next year if he doesn't draft a prospect this year. But if it does work out, then the team is set at QB for at least ten years. But that won't really be known until the playoffs come around again for the team and if Lance is QB and gets the team farther than it has been in the past thirty years.

Good stuff.

 

[kskboys]

True assessment, but like it or not he is the QB, he takes the lion share of the salary cap, he takes the lion share of the blame. He is paid to lead this team, it can't be both ways. Don't want the blame, don't demand to be paid the highest salary.

I was a lot more prone to defend Dak before he insisted on top QB play. Yes, it matters.

 

[kskboys]

Funny, that's not what his scouting report said:

Strengths:

* Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame. * Makes calls to set his own protections. * Bouncy feet for accelerated pocket setups. * Play-fake aficionado from under center, causing defenders to consistently bite. * Passing scheme encourages full-field reads. * Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected. * Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule. * Taking care of the football is a priority for him. * Rarely takes bait against zone defenders and safeties looking to pounce. * Compact, twitchy release partially mitigates his windup. * Makes attempt to throw targets away from coverage. * Adequate anticipation on timing routes. * Makes quality touch throws into sideline buckets and over linebackers. * Knows his way around pocket and can make sudden escapes. * Above-average speed, athleticism and power when heâs on the move as a runner. * Able to move the chains in a variety of ways.

Weaknesses:

* Highly inexperienced with just 318 pass attempts under his belt. * Will be 20 years old at the time of the 2021 draft. * Gets a little lackadaisical with his feet in quick game. * Needs to trust his pocket. * Has a tendency to void pocket rather than sliding and surveilling. * Pressure pulls his attention from deliverable throws. * Needs to become more decisive and trust his eyes. * Leaves lower half behind, diminishing his drive velocity. * Occasionally leaves explosive plays on the field by not getting it out on time. * Leaves too many deep balls short, allowing defenders to challenge. * Can be overly cautious. * Needs to get his slide game up and minimize collisions as a runner.

Taken from here: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

That bolded part in the strengths is what Dak is oft criticized for.

However, the bolded part in the weaknesses counters the bolded part in strengths: if you don't pull the trigger fast enough even though you process quickly, then it hurts the latter.

"His processing speed is still a work in progress and he must get faster going through his progressions."

Funny, that is what his scouting report said.

You have a lot of good stuff to offer, might want to stay away from the UH/Nuh uh stuff.