Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott should give Jerry Jones an ultimatum

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Umm…Jerry do what I say or I won’t take your 50 million a year plus dream endorsements I wouldn’t sniff anywhere else?

jerry meet my demands or I‘ll head back to my barn?

I dont think that’s how the world work., imho. No disrespect to op, just my opinion.

but I’m gonna try giving Ana De Armas an ultimatum and report back ;)
 

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The FO won't go all in so I'm with you, Dak should demand a trade or release. It's only fair to him to show another team what a champion he us...with their money of course.

Exactly. Now, if they do commit, then Dak needs to share that commitment by making a team friendly deal so the FO can acquire all the talent they need.
 

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Umm…Jerry do what I say or I won’t take your 50 million a year plus dream endorsements I wouldn’t sniff anywhere else?

jerry meet my demands or I‘ll head back to my barn?

I dont think that’s how the world work., imho. No disrespect to op, just my opinion.

but I’m gonna try giving Ana De Armas an ultimatum and report back ;)

I'm not saying it should be that much. If Dak gets a championship commitment from Jerry, then he should take a team friendly deal. If he won't get that commitment from Jerry, then go elsewhere after the season to someone that will get him a ring.
 

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How many All-Pros and pro Bowlers did we have again?

The team that dog walked us in the playoffs had zero.

We had safeties playing LB and not much at running back. These were clear issues prior to the season. I'm not saying Dak should take $50-60 mil either, btw. If Dak gets a championship commitment from Jerry, then he should take a team friendly deal to allow Jerry to build said contender.
 

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So in telling Jerry to build a roster good enough to win a superbowl he would in essence have to tell Jerry to replace him as a playoff choker?

Not necessarily, but if that's the case (and I could see Jerry flipping the script if that's the case), then we will see what Jerry does. However, the lack of linebackers and the crap running game that we had was obviously going to be an issue. If Dak takes a team friendly deal, then Jerry needs to build through BOTH the draft AND FA a team that can win a Super Bowl.
 

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They should start by giving the HC a real QB that will come through in clutch moments.

Perhaps, and maybe they should get actually physical linebackers and a physical running back instead of Pollard as a lead back and safeties masquerading as linebackers. Marquise Bell is not a linebacker. He is a safety.
 

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They are getting paid a lot of money why would they care?

If they care about winning a Super Bowl, this is the right thing to do. By making an ultimatum and, in Dak's case, offering a team friendly deal IF Jerry commits to building a championship is a way to get Jerry's attention to build them a team that can legitimately compete to win a Super Bowl.
 

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We had safeties playing LB and not much at running back. These were clear issues prior to the season. I'm not saying Dak should take $50-60 mil either, btw. If Dak gets a championship commitment from Jerry, then he should take a team friendly deal to allow Jerry to build said contender.
7 Pro Bowlers.

A finalist for MVP.

2 finalists for OPOY.

2 finalist for DPOY.

The best kicker and punter in the NFL.

And you think it could get better?
 

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I should note that a good portion of this OP is not my original idea. I got a decent amount of this as a posting idea while watching Mark Holmes' channel while working today. He had a video about Dak and Mike McCarthy that got me thinking, and I will expound upon what he said.

Basically, the notion is that Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott should give Jerry Jones/Stephen Jones an ultimatum. I'll expound upon this here. Mike McCarthy is being set up to fail when you look at Stephen's risk aversion. As we all know, there's this stupid notion that our FO has of "we like our guys". When you look at our draft picks and you look at the holes likely to be opened as a result of players we are likely to lose in FA, trying to get this team in 2024 to be competitive will be a very difficult task. Even worse, here's our likely opponents next year (besides our division rivals, which is obvious): Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Houston, Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, and Carolina. Aside from Carolina, this is going to likely be a tough schedule. Oh, and we were lucky to get 12 wins when you look at our lack of a running game, which was bloody obvious entering the season. Jerry gave McCarthy a tough task with that, and McCarthy helped Dak to become a better QB (in the regular season) this season than last year. He guides our team to 12 wins. Under a coach like Jason Garrett, the roster last year with the schedule we had likely lands us 8-9 wins. Now, Jerry is setting McCarthy up for what will likely be a rough year. I think McCarthy should kick down the door of the FO and tell them to either (and MH gave a similar take) to either go all in and build him a championship roster, or sack him/let him part ways right now. Tell them, either give him a roster that can give him a chance to win now, or let me go. To paraphrase a MeatLoaf line, ask Jerry, "What's it going to be, boy? Yes or no? I can wait all night". Ask Jerry, does he believe that McCarthy can win a Super Bowl this year if given the right roster. If it's yes, then do everything in their power to build a roster that McCarthy needs to win a championship. It the answer is no, then McCarthy should tell them to find a new coach. As for those fans that want McCarthy gone, just a heads up, you may not like who Jerry/Stephen choose next. Chances are, it'll be a Garrett-style puppet.

As for Dak, he should absolutely be furious about some of the comments that have been in the media of late. Especially given that it seems that CeeDee hasn't come out after what his mum said to back him, despite the fact that Dak was the one who threw Lamb the ball to set the records that he set this year. The way the media has been excoriating him, and the way the FO hasn't exactly come to his defence, despite how many times he's gone to the mat for them. Dak should really go into the FO and tell them that, if they want an extension, then give him a roster (especially at RB, lb, and oline) that can give him a better chance to win a Super Bowl. Tell them that, if they want a deal, then give him a roster that he can use. Otherwise, they can either June 1 cut him, he might direct them to a trade, or he will just take the cap hit this year, and be on his way next year. Tell them that he wants a Super Bowl and wants a roster that he can win with in his and McCarthy's view (since they're seemingly close with each other). For those of you that want a new QB, I caution you. The replacement may not be great. Remember from Aikman to Romo. However, with the way the FO has treated Mike and Dak, they need to tell the FO that they want a commitment to build a true championship contender, or they will either leave this offseason or after this season.

This is NOT to say that I want either gone. I like both. However, I think the way they are treated is appalling and isn't normally done on any other team but ours. If the FO, like some on here seems to want, wants to keep treating them like this. Then maybe it's time we see what it'll be like without them. For those of you who have animosity towards Dak, just remember. Andy Dalton showed that finding a top QB isn't as easy as it seems. I would hope we can draft a good replacement if it comes to it, but I'm not sure I trust Jerry's acumen when it comes to QB selections. But, at the same time, these two men should really push the issue at Jerry. Tell him to go in, or lose them both. Maybe that'll get Jerry/Stephen's attention enough to actually try to win a Super Bowl this year.
I watch Mark Holmes. I like the dude, he seems like an outstanding guy. A great fan. But as fans we can sometimes be delusional. Lets be realistic. As a QB, if the owner is going to give me a 160 million dollar contract, I'm not giving him any ultimatums. That's just out of respect. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't voice his concerns. I'm sure Dak could talk to Jones anytime he wants.
 

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LMAO, Jerry gave Fat Mike a job when his former QB said he was an idiot. He gave a backup millions, that he wasn't worth, so now they need to give Jerry an ultimatum. LMAO.......
 

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7 Pro Bowlers.

A finalist for MVP.

2 finalists for OPOY.

2 finalist for DPOY.

The best kicker and punter in the NFL.

And you think it could get better?

I do at linebacker. The way that our defence, especially our safeties masquerading as linebackers, was unable to stop the run in games against teams with effective running attacks (SFO, Buffalo, and Green Bay) is a way to get this team better. Besides, it'd be a good way to know the commitment of both sides. If Mike and Dak are committed to winning, then Dak would have to take a team friendly deal and Mike would have no excuses with one year left on his deal, assuming Jerry does make that commitment. If neither sides are truly committed to winning a Super Bowl, then Mike and Dak leave after this season and the Cowboys start over. I'm saying that I want all sides to put their chips down and commit to winning the Super Bowl. If they aren't going to do that, then don't play next season.
 

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I watch Mark Holmes. I like the dude, he seems like an outstanding guy. A great fan. But as fans we can sometimes be delusional. Lets be realistic. As a QB, if the owner is going to give me a 160 million dollar contract, I'm not giving him any ultimatums. That's just out of respect. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't voice his concerns. I'm sure Dak could talk to Jones anytime he wants.

Exactly, and I think he should get that commitment from Jerry before he signs on the line. All that's missing from Dak's resume is a Lombardi trophy. Dak should want a commitment, in exchange for a team friendly deal, from Jerry that he will stop at nothing to build a team that can win the Super Bowl. Anything less, Dak has many other teams that would vie for his services.
 

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LMAO, Jerry gave Fat Mike a job when his former QB said he was an idiot. He gave a backup millions, that he wasn't worth, so now they need to give Jerry an ultimatum. LMAO.......

If they're committed to winning the Super Bowl, this is what they should do. Dak should tell his agent to offer a team friendly deal IF Jerry is going to commit to building a SB team. If Jerry doesn't, then go elsewhere. There are many teams such as Atlanta who would love to have Dak play for them.
 

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If they're committed to winning the Super Bowl, this is what they should do. Dak should tell his agent to offer a team friendly deal IF Jerry is going to commit to building a SB team. If Jerry doesn't, then go elsewhere. There are many teams such as Atlanta who would love to have Dak play for them.
:muttley:come on, this has to be one of those hypothetical things. I don't know if Jerry has a sense of humor, if he does, he will horse-laugh those two losers out of the office.
 

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I should note that a good portion of this OP is not my original idea. I got a decent amount of this as a posting idea while watching Mark Holmes' channel while working today. He had a video about Dak and Mike McCarthy that got me thinking, and I will expound upon what he said.

Basically, the notion is that Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott should give Jerry Jones/Stephen Jones an ultimatum. I'll expound upon this here. Mike McCarthy is being set up to fail when you look at Stephen's risk aversion. As we all know, there's this stupid notion that our FO has of "we like our guys". When you look at our draft picks and you look at the holes likely to be opened as a result of players we are likely to lose in FA, trying to get this team in 2024 to be competitive will be a very difficult task. Even worse, here's our likely opponents next year (besides our division rivals, which is obvious): Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Houston, Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, and Carolina. Aside from Carolina, this is going to likely be a tough schedule. Oh, and we were lucky to get 12 wins when you look at our lack of a running game, which was bloody obvious entering the season. Jerry gave McCarthy a tough task with that, and McCarthy helped Dak to become a better QB (in the regular season) this season than last year. He guides our team to 12 wins. Under a coach like Jason Garrett, the roster last year with the schedule we had likely lands us 8-9 wins. Now, Jerry is setting McCarthy up for what will likely be a rough year. I think McCarthy should kick down the door of the FO and tell them to either (and MH gave a similar take) to either go all in and build him a championship roster, or sack him/let him part ways right now. Tell them, either give him a roster that can give him a chance to win now, or let me go. To paraphrase a MeatLoaf line, ask Jerry, "What's it going to be, boy? Yes or no? I can wait all night". Ask Jerry, does he believe that McCarthy can win a Super Bowl this year if given the right roster. If it's yes, then do everything in their power to build a roster that McCarthy needs to win a championship. It the answer is no, then McCarthy should tell them to find a new coach. As for those fans that want McCarthy gone, just a heads up, you may not like who Jerry/Stephen choose next. Chances are, it'll be a Garrett-style puppet.

As for Dak, he should absolutely be furious about some of the comments that have been in the media of late. Especially given that it seems that CeeDee hasn't come out after what his mum said to back him, despite the fact that Dak was the one who threw Lamb the ball to set the records that he set this year. The way the media has been excoriating him, and the way the FO hasn't exactly come to his defence, despite how many times he's gone to the mat for them. Dak should really go into the FO and tell them that, if they want an extension, then give him a roster (especially at RB, lb, and oline) that can give him a better chance to win a Super Bowl. Tell them that, if they want a deal, then give him a roster that he can use. Otherwise, they can either June 1 cut him, he might direct them to a trade, or he will just take the cap hit this year, and be on his way next year. Tell them that he wants a Super Bowl and wants a roster that he can win with in his and McCarthy's view (since they're seemingly close with each other). For those of you that want a new QB, I caution you. The replacement may not be great. Remember from Aikman to Romo. However, with the way the FO has treated Mike and Dak, they need to tell the FO that they want a commitment to build a true championship contender, or they will either leave this offseason or after this season.

This is NOT to say that I want either gone. I like both. However, I think the way they are treated is appalling and isn't normally done on any other team but ours. If the FO, like some on here seems to want, wants to keep treating them like this. Then maybe it's time we see what it'll be like without them. For those of you who have animosity towards Dak, just remember. Andy Dalton showed that finding a top QB isn't as easy as it seems. I would hope we can draft a good replacement if it comes to it, but I'm not sure I trust Jerry's acumen when it comes to QB selections. But, at the same time, these two men should really push the issue at Jerry. Tell him to go in, or lose them both. Maybe that'll get Jerry/Stephen's attention enough to actually try to win a Super Bowl this year.
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McCarthy would face a King mindset. His demands would be dead on arrival. Jones would replace him as easily as a completely used roll of toilet paper.

Prescott is in a unique position. Whether anyone agrees or not, Jones has viewed him as his franchise quarterback for nearly eight years. NFL caliber quarterbacks do not grow on trees.

That said, first, there is a difference between input and demand. There is very little reason to believe Prescott has not offered input to Jones and the front office on how the team (offense in particular) could be improved through the roster. NFL quarterbacks are not timid by nature--especially those who command top price for their services in contract negotiations.

Making demands is a different interaction between player and the team. Committed players will sit out to back their demands. Is Prescott the type of individual willing to defy Jones (and possibly alienates some of his teammates) in a face-off that could last long and impact the regular season (and offset some teammates' projected in-season bonuses)?

I do not know. Prescott's 'leadership traits' are effective when maintaining are strong aura of cooperating with others. A protracted defiant stance might negate his standing with teammates. Would he purposefully risk what he has built in exchange for improving the team to a degree better than Jones would without his demands? That is difficult for me to foresee happening.
 

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McCarthy would face a King mindset. His demands would be dead on arrival. Jones would replace him as easily as a completely used roll of toilet paper.

Prescott is in a unique position. Whether anyone agrees or not, Jones has viewed him as his franchise quarterback for nearly eight years. NFL caliber quarterbacks do not grow on trees.

That said, first, there is a difference between input and demand. There is very little reason to believe Prescott has not offered input to Jones and the front office on how the team (offense in particular) could be improved through the roster. NFL quarterbacks are not timid by nature--especially those who command top price for their services in contract negotiations.

Making demands is a different interaction between player and the team. Committed players will sit out to back their demands. Is Prescott the type of individual willing to defy Jones (and possibly alienates some of his teammates) in a face-off that could last long and impact the regular season (and offset some teammates' projected in-season bonuses)?

I do not know. Prescott's 'leadership traits' are effective when maintaining are strong aura of cooperating with others. A protracted defiant stance might negate his standing with teammates. Would he purposefully risk what he has built in exchange for improving the team to a degree better than Jones would without his demands? That is difficult for me to foresee happening.

I mean, true about Mike. However, for Dak, especially with his contract situation, he holds a lot of the cards, so, i think he should use that as a way to spearhead not only a deal for himself, but spearhead a way for the team to be built to where the team can actually compete in January and February.
 

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They aren’t committed enough. If they were, they wouldn’t be in charge.

This is true, but, and it's sad that I'm having to say it, maybe it's time the players lay it on the line. Maybe if the FO sees that the players want a better team to be built around them, it might get their attention. Failure to do so could result in 2000-2002 levels of results or worse if the players feel that the FO doesn't care about winning. If they feel they are just meant to be punchlines by the FO for the FO to make even more money, then they should have the guts to lay it on the line to tell the FO to stop making them punchlines.
 
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