Mincey holding out

[popp1234]

Mincey raps, "Cause it's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny
You got to have a con in this land of milk and honey".

Whatever! Get your behind to camp, honor your current contract, and let your agent do your business (i.e, try to put more $$$ in your pockets)..."Leader"

 

[Bullflop]

Stephen Jones didnt sound pleased that Mincey is not at camp. if im Mincey i get my *** to camp and then try to work something out.

I can't blame Stephen for not being pleased about any player under contract and resorting to holding out. Also can't blame Mincey for wanting a bump in pay for the paltry contract he's under. I just hope Mincey doesn't push his luck too far or he's liable to be applying for a job elsewhere. I'd really like to see him return, despite his age.

 

[jobberone]

I can't blame Stephen for not being pleased about any player under contract and resorting to holding out. Also can't blame Mincey for wanting a bump in pay for the paltry contract he's under. I just hope Mincey doesn't push his luck too far or he's liable to be applying for a job elsewhere. I'd really like to see him return, despite his age.

Within the cap I'd be ok with more incentives. I'd also like to see him in camp. I think the guy can play inside in the nickel with some base rotation.

 

[mugsybows]

I can't blame Stephen for not being pleased about any player under contract and resorting to holding out. Also can't blame Mincey for wanting a bump in pay for the paltry contract he's under. I just hope Mincey doesn't push his luck too far or he's liable to be applying for a job elsewhere. I'd really like to see him return, despite his age.

see this is what im afraid of. i hope the situation and the way it was handled doesnt become so sour that both sides are like welp see ya!

 

[Bullflop]

Within the cap I'd be ok with more incentives. I'd also like to see him in camp. I think the guy can play inside in the nickel with some base rotation.

He'd be well suited to serve at DT in the nickel, imho. It's not like his ability is too highly limited. I'm reasonably confident the FO will try to accomodate him if he doesn't push them too far. His demands better be reasonable and not too burdening under the cap or he might be leaving Dallas, though.

 

[Tio]

Mincey is our best DE for the first four games of the season.

 

[Risen Star]

H-m-m -- guess you didn't like nor appreciate what he did last year, huh? To each his own. Let's see what the FO has to say about this. Maybe they'll agree with you or maybe not. I can easily live with it either way.

He's a spare part who should be happy he's got a job with the team. Particularly with the beefed up DE depth chart.

To blindside the Cowboys with a holdout right now is laughable.

 

[Bullflop]

see this is what im afraid of. i hope the situation and the way it was handled doesnt become so sour that both sides are like welp see ya!

True. He's already pushing his luck some by holding out. Being overly demanding could easily do him in.

 

[Bullflop]

He's a spare part who should be happy he's got a job with the team. Particularly with the beefed up DE depth chart.

To blindside the Cowboys with a holdout right now is laughable.

I'm betting Stephen isn't laughing. I do feel he'd be of use as a DT in the nickel and some in relief at DE, though. I would agree that he's walking on thin ice, however. He'd best tread very lightly.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm betting Stephen isn't laughing. I do feel he'd be of use as a DT in the nickel, though. I'd agree that he's walking on thin ice, however. He'd best tread lightly.

I hear ya. He's got a role. I just don't like the way he's going about things.

 

[Bullflop]

I hear ya. He's got a role. I just don't like the way he's going about things.

Gotta agree -- he's pushing his luck. I was really surprised to see him doing things that way.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He also specifically mentioned a three year outlook, which would be including the young DL.

Sure but we are arguing about his time in Jax. That doesn't support that nor does it preclude them working something out.

He talked about worrying about the mix and I get what he is saying about being a progress stopper. I'm fine with c'est la vie if push comes to shove and rolling with Russell and Gardner but I would still prefer a happy Mincey in there and don't see an issue in paying a little more to see that happen.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Sure but we are arguing about his time in Jax. That doesn't support that nor does it preclude them working something out.

He talked about worrying about the mix and I get what he is saying about being a progress stopper. I'm fine with c'est la vie if push comes to shove and rolling with Russell and Gardner but I would still prefer a happy Mincey in there and don't see an issue in paying a little more to see that happen.

Yep. With Hardy out the first 4 games, I'm a bit uncomfortable with our most experienced DE being a sophomore who missed the first 10 games of his rookie season.

 

[Plankton]

Do you not understand what a right is? Of course it is Mincey's right to holdout. That doesn't mean your consequences don't have actions.

How much a team can fine a player is specifically negotiated into the CBA. It is Mincey's right to withold his services at the cost of 30 thousand dollars a day.

Of course I understand rights. Perhaps you are the one who doesn't.

Contractually, rights are defined as something that is granted through a contract. Nowhere in the standard player contract does it say that the player has a right to hold out. It does call such a thing a forfeitable breach, which would fly in the face of it being a right.

The fine is built in and defined to protect the injured party, which in this case would be the team.

A holdout is not a right protected by a contract. A holdout is a choice made by a player, and there are fines associated with that choice. The team also has the right to issue a five day letter (I incorrectly said 15 earlier) to a player holding out that would force them to return to the team, otherwise they would be put on the reserve/did not report list, and would be ineligible to play for the rest of the season. And, they wouldn't be paid.

What Mincey is doing is a choice, not a right.

 

[Nightman]

Sure but we are arguing about his time in Jax. That doesn't support that nor does it preclude them working something out.

He talked about worrying about the mix and I get what he is saying about being a progress stopper. I'm fine with c'est la vie if push comes to shove and rolling with Russell and Gardner but I would still prefer a happy Mincey in there and don't see an issue in paying a little more to see that happen.

DAL has opened themselves up to more of this. If they are going to go to players like Free and Bern and maybe Carr and ask for pay cuts, then they have to expect players to ask for pay raises when they out perform their deals.

OScan skipped OTAs and got more money, maybe Mincey should've acted then.

Mincey has come through and a small bump may not be unreasonable.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DAL has opened themselves up to more of this. If they are going to go to players like Free and Bern and maybe Carr and ask for pay cuts, then they have to expect players to ask for pay raises when they out perform their deals.

OScan skipped OTAs and got more money, maybe Mincey should've acted then.

Mincey has come through and a small bump may not be unreasonable.

I've always thought if you are going to ask guys like Free and Carr to take a paycut then you need to give a bump to guys like Scandrick. Mincey has absolutely no leverage and is about to lose $30k a day. I just hope it doesn't get ugly.

 

[Nightman]

I've always thought if you are going to ask guys like Free and Carr to take a paycut then you need to give a bump to guys like Scandrick. Mincey has absolutely no leverage and is about to lose $30k a day. I just hope it doesn't get ugly.

I know. He got his press. Time to report and let your agent earn his money.

 

[Hoofbite]

For you maybe. I guess we should throw out all of those stories about pass rush helping a secondary then?

For anyone that recognizes there is no specific outcome associated with a "hurry". Could be a throw away, could be an incompletion or a completion, and it could be a pass for a TD. Perhaps the hurry had nothing to do with the defensive player and was only possible because the QB held the ball forever. Big Ben is probably hurried more than any QB in the league so I guess he's playing against amazing DEs every week. Or, maybe he's just big enough and strong enough to hold the ball and break free.

So yeah, you can throw out some of those stories because some of those hurries happened on plays with positive yardage and even scores, and when hurries may not even be a product of anything special the defensive player did on a play.

Can you spot the player who recorded a "hurry" on this play?



Pretty easy to see it, but it didn't matter at all.

After all, it's sacks or nothin' according to you. And you alone.

Not at all. I certainly think that hits on a QB are important, and I would be inclined to look at hurries provided they only included plays where the QB threw the ball away and maybe when the play resulted in an incompletion. Outside of those two situations, why even mention them at all?

[/quote]Not bound to your attempted oversimplification in an attempt to support your point either.[/quote]

Haven't oversimplified anything. That's the way it is. He will not make or break the team and the defense will likely not be any worse without him. He's nothing special.

 

[dogunwo]

He thinks he can force them to cut him so he can get a pay day off of his year last year. Not going to happen.

He will end his holdout Aug 13

 

[JoeKing]

Do that you set a precedence. Anyone that thinks they have outperformed their contract going forward stands in a line outside Stephen Jones' office.

I remember another high effort good lockerroom guy who got a bump based on merit and his name was Jay Ratliff.

The precedence has already been set more recently with Orlando Scandrick.