Mincey holding out

[LatinMind]

looking for new deal

lol see ya

 

[Alexander]

Ridiculous. We have several million in cap space. Bump his salary up this year a half mil or a mil and call it good.

He is a high effort, good lockerroom guy, and believe it or not we need him this year. You can never have too many pass rushers, and players get injured.

Do that you set a precedence. Anyone that thinks they have outperformed their contract going forward stands in a line outside Stephen Jones' office.

I remember another high effort good lockerroom guy who got a bump based on merit and his name was Jay Ratliff.

 

[Stash]

It's a simplistic stat, one that if I had the time to research each and every snap the two played, I'm sure can be broken down further.

Well, if you're going to make the claim, you should back it up.

I mean, are you seriously trying to tell me Jeremy Mincey is comparable to a healthy Jason Pierre-Paul?

Not at all. I'm showing a key pass rush stat in which two players - not considered in the same way at all - were very close. And I also pointed out where their salaries were not close. I then pointed out that one is damaged goods while the other is not.

I'd put money on JPP seeing far more double teams and chips last year than Mincey did. FAR more! And that's not even taking into account how certain former Cowboys used to get killed around here for having a high number of pressures without being able to "seal the deal".

Again, you would have to do the homework to substantiate that claim. But, again, Mincey does that for 1/10th the cost of a now-damaged JPP.

As to your second point, being the best of a rag tag group doesn't really speak much. But that's already been said numerous times.

It does say that he was the best. And the only known commodity added thus far is Greg Hardy, scheduled to miss 1/4th of the season.

If things go right, barring injury, he'll be the 4th best pass rusher on the team at best by season's end. I'll say it again; his best attributes are as a "leader" type, not what he brings to the field. But to pull this at the last minute isn't very leader-like.

"If things go right". That sure sounds like "at best" to me.

What I like about the situation is that the team will treat it like an opportunity. Next man up. Those young defensive ends want to prove something - well here's their shot to make him expendable. And they don't even have to release him until final cuts.

That is a silver lining, getting the young guys reps, but there's no way I'm releasing him. No way.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do that you set a precedence. Anyone that thinks they have outperformed their contract going forward stands in a line outside Stephen Jones' office.

I remember another high effort good lockerroom guy who got a bump based on merit and his name was Jay Ratliff.

Scandrick already did and Cowboys gave into it. I would not have. I would not do it for Mincey either. I like both guys but if you don't like the deal presented, then don't sign it.

 

[Primetime42]

Well, if you're going to make the claim, you should back it up.



Not at all. I'm showing a key pass rush stat in which two players - not considered in the same way at all - were very close. And I also pointed out where their salaries were not close. I then pointed out that one is damaged goods while the other is not.



Again, you would have to do the homework to substantiate that claim. But, again, Mincey does that for 1/10th the cost of a now-damaged JPP.

It does say that he was the best. And the only known commodity added thus far is Greg Hardy, scheduled to miss 1/4th of the season.



"If things go right". That sure sounds like "at best" to me.



That is a silver lining, getting the young guys reps, but there's no way I'm releasing him. No way.

Well, I guess I'll have to ask PFF or whoever came up with the stat yesterday to get on it for me.

"If things go right" is probably not the best choice of words. "If things go as planned" would be better.

BTW, you and I were never in disagreement on releasing him.

 

[The Natural]

Stephen basically said he can forget about a new deal

 

[Alexander]

Stephen basically said he can forget about a new deal

Correct, he just said it in a PC way, but he made his stance clear, looking at the young players and three years ahead.

 

[Primetime42]

Stephen basically said he can forget about a new deal

Basically what I expected.

 

[mldardy]

Stephen basically said he can forget about a new deal

He'll be back. He really has no choice he's under contract and he's going to be fined everyday.

 

[Deep_South]

The contract year of a two year contract and he's holding out? I think he just looks a little foolish.

 

[Nightman]

SJones said they might talk to him if he was here, but will definitely not talk to him if he isn't there.

 

[BigD5]

Stephen ain't playing around with these guys. And we are FINALLY in great hands with Stephen. That eases my mind as a fan going forward.

As for Mincey, what an idiot. Play hard. Do your job. And you will be rewarded. I can't stand players missing time when they are under contract. It's selfish. And says to me that the player could give a rip about the team. And I don't want those type of players on the Dallas Cowboys

 

[NextGenBoys]

Do that you set a precedence. Anyone that thinks they have outperformed their contract going forward stands in a line outside Stephen Jones' office.

I remember another high effort good lockerroom guy who got a bump based on merit and his name was Jay Ratliff.

Yes, I get the precedent thing. I get that. But you also need to take care of your guys' needs as long as they are reasonable. Not always play hard ball. A half million dollar or full million dollar raise for the last year off Mincey's contract is no big deal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stephen ain't playing around with these guys. And we are FINALLY in great hands with Stephen. That eases my mind as a fan going forward.

As for Mincey, what an idiot. Play hard. Do your job. And you will be rewarded. I can't stand players missing time when they are under contract. It's selfish. And says to me that the player could give a rip about the team. And I don't want those type of players on the Dallas Cowboys

Carr is still getting paid. Scandrick got more money. Apparently Mincey played 69% of the plays and his escalator was at 70%. He was money in the playoffs too.

We have $17m in cap space and pay the offense 10% more than the defense. A 1 year extension at a modest sum and a signing bonus could work. Crawford needs to get paid but DLaw and Hitchens are under contract for 3 more years. Hardy is already paid in full.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do that you set a precedence. Anyone that thinks they have outperformed their contract going forward stands in a line outside Stephen Jones' office.

I remember another high effort good lockerroom guy who got a bump based on merit and his name was Jay Ratliff.

 

[Alexander]

Scandrick has been mentioned more than once.

The situations are hardly the same.

Scandrick will absolutely start every game for this team in 2015 if healthy.

Mincey will not unless things go horribly wrong with Lawrence and Gregory.

What he did last year was surprising, but did George Selvie demand a raise after a year? Same kind of player.

 

[Doomsday101]

Scandrick has been mentioned more than once.

The situations are hardly the same.

Scandrick will absolutely start every game for this team in 2015 if healthy.

Mincey will not unless things go horribly wrong with Lawrence and Gregory.

What he did last year was surprising, but did George Selvie demand a raise after a year? Same kind of player.

I don't think it is different. Fact is Scandrick and the Cowboys agreed on a deal he liked it enough to sign it. Either the contract means something or it doesn't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Scandrick has been mentioned more than once.

The situations are hardly the same.

Scandrick will absolutely start every game for this team in 2015 if healthy.

Mincey will not unless things go horribly wrong with Lawrence and Gregory.

What he did last year was surprising, but did George Selvie demand a raise after a year? Same kind of player.

The standard before was players that feel that they have outperformed their contracts.

I'm fine with adjusting expectations due to roll but even as a top backup DE he is woefully underpaid at $1.5m. He is a vet. Bernadeau makes over $3m and he will play more than Mack.

 

[speedkilz88]

The standard before was players that feel that they have outperformed their contracts.

I'm fine with adjusting expectations due to roll but even as a top backup DE he is woefully underpaid at $1.5m. He is a vet. Bernadeau makes over $3m and he will play more than Mack.

But if you know Mincey's track record, he only has himself to blame for his contract woes. At one time he had the big contract. He blew it by getting himself released.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But if you know Mincey's track record, he only has himself to blame for his contract woes. At one time he had the big contract. He blew it by getting himself released.

I wouldn't have wanted to stay in Jacksonville then either. Denver had no money.