Mincey: Tension grew in Cowboys locker room with Greg Hardy

[Plumfool]

I dont know about any of you who listened but it sounded like mincey was backtracking a lot and his comments and explanations didnt make much sense. i think the only thing that made sense was he said the him or me comment was basically due to he wants to play and with both of them on the team they will have their snaps cut in half. also said that he didnt mean the tension in the locker room was on hardy but when they started losing it just got worse and worse in general and that wasnt on hardy. he said some other stuff about his hardy comments but to me it really didnt make sense. he kind of ended with hardy is my boy and i wouldnt say bad stuff about him, he was like i texted him and said hey if you hear stuff in the media come out just know its being manipulated by the media.

This will fall on deaf eyes.

 

[mugsybows]

"It was tough. You had this guy who you want to be a leader and then you had that guy. It was just too much."

i dunno if im getting this right but i think what mincey said he meant with that comment hardy was just doing too much like just being the football player in the locker room and not really being the motivator. he was all business, he was trying to do too much maybe and letting his work ethic lead by example. they'll probably have the audio up within the next day or couple of hours. listen to it and see if what he was saying made sense to you guys.

i think hes kind of saying his motivation style is different than gregs. minceys is more personal while gregs is all im going to come in do my job work hard and hopefully that will rub off on other players.

 

[jobberone]

lmao!!!!

And if he said nothing to the question that was asked of him, or simply spouted some company line people would be here crying about how he's not being honest and he's just spewing the robotic company line.


Some guys are just not liked. It happens. I'm not surprised Hardy is one of those folks.

But that doesn't mean the guy can't play. As someone pointed out there were lots of team mates who didn't like Charles Haley either. Listen to some of the people talk about him on the Americas Game and you can see that just in the way they talk about him. Even when they're not dumping on him it's pretty clear which guys didn't mind him at all and which guys weren't really fans of his.

But they got along enough to win.

There is a huge reason for that. Haley was a stud. A HoF stud. He was a difference maker, all the time. When you're that great you can get away with folks not liking you as much and they'll still work just fine with you cause they see what you bring to the table.

When you're a difference maker, in the eyes of the players, here and there and disappear other times...and you're late for team meetings all the time. Yeah those players aren't going to be nearly as happy to work with you when they don't like you.


That's any job on the planet. Anyone trying to claim different is selling something or they're the guy that no one actually likes at work.

Most people don't dislike someone just 'because'. Maybe some started to dislike some of his behaviors. If those are being late for meetings, which is a big deal getting ready for a game, then it is reasonable IMO.

It may be easier for some to overlook those behaviors when they see the guy perform...including the coaches.

 

[jobberone]

Untrue-ish.

We've heard this from Jesse Holley. He said players often are late or miss meetings but generally some guys have good track records with it and some don't.
He said some meetings are no more than 5 minutes so being late is missing it entirely.
Said it has even happened to Witten but no one bats an eye with a dependable guy like that because they know it is an extreme outlier.
Said a lot of time guys have to get in and get treatment before meetings and will be late due to that.

With Hardy we are all guessing but I am guessing he missed meetings led by the head coach and they butted heads after some of the stuff Hardy said in the media or posted. Then Hardy went passive aggressive and was late or missed meetings players normally would not miss such as meetings that occurs hours after everyone has arrived on campus. I could easily see Hardy doing something like lifting weights and finishing off a set before heading to the meeting room which would really hack off a coach. That would lead to this sharp difference of view on Hardy over the final 5-6 games.

Obviously you're aren't getting fined anytime and every time. I think it more reasonable to assume the general practice of eventually addressing a persistent problem with fines.

 

[Redball Express]

Did Hardy wear out his welcome in the locker room this year?

"Well, I wouldn't say. I didn't look at him like that. He sits right beside me so he's welcomed everyday, you know what I mean? I have to deal with him," Mincey said. "Being that you have to deal with him, I grew accustomed to a misunderstood person, and I got to know him a little better than a lot of people did.


"It was tough. You had this guy who you want to be a leader and then you had that guy. It was just too much."

Part of the difficulty to Hardy's stay in Dallas was his inability to become that leader he was originally viewed as. Hardy was reportedly late to team meetings and his teammates "began to sour on him late in the season.”

Did Mincey see that tension growing in the locker room all season?

"Yeah, it definitely grew," Mincey said. "I hate it happening. You're talking about a team that was so close knit and tight and then all of the sudden, it's just different.

http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Mincey-Tension-grew-in-Cowboys-locker-room-with-Greg-Hardy-42732834

So what he saying is Hardy was another TO?

 

[jterrell]

So what he saying is Hardy was another TO?

Actually Mincey came on and addressed that saying his words were taken out of context. He said it wasn't about Hardy but the losing.

 

[jterrell]

Again to be clear, we are basing Hardy was a locker room malcontent on comments from the guy he replaced and took playing time from and "rumors" he was late to meetings and had to be scolded over twitter remarks much like Beasley and TWill who both pointedly told fans to go have relations with themselves.

Maybe Hardy was some toxic presence but there is little real evidence out there to support that. Mincey was in full support of Hardy during his suspension and while he was getting heavy snaps. Did Hardy go crazy down the stretch? Maybe. If he did do I hate him for it? NO! I have stated the last 10 weeks they should all be going nuts. No one loses that much and just accepts it.

What is VERY clear is Dallas will tell us how they feel about Hardy. He is a free agent they can bid on or not.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

"It was tough. You had this guy who you want to be a leader and then you had that guy. It was just too much."

i dunno if im getting this right but i think what mincey said he meant with that comment hardy was just doing too much like just being the football player in the locker room and not really being the motivator. he was all business, he was trying to do too much maybe and letting his work ethic lead by example. they'll probably have the audio up within the next day or couple of hours. listen to it and see if what he was saying made sense to you guys.

i think hes kind of saying his motivation style is different than gregs. minceys is more personal while gregs is all im going to come in do my job work hard and hopefully that will rub off on other players.

I did hear the first part of the interview and I think Mincey did backtrack on most of his comments except one. He basically clarified that what became too much was the media circus surrounding Hardy's every move. My interpretation: Hardy was a team distraction because of the media-driven distraction. It was "too much."

I do agree that he made a comparison between their two styles and that Hardy, at this point, just wants to play football. He does not want to be a role model, or a spokesperson against anything or for anything. He does not care to be a model citizen or a team leader. He just wants to play football.

Mincey thinks he is the leader needed to bring productivity and harmony back to the locker room. We shall see.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't think its a coincidence that a aging vet at his position on the team is the one saying this.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Most people don't dislike someone just 'because'. Maybe some started to dislike some of his behaviors. If those are being late for meetings, which is a big deal getting ready for a game, then it is reasonable IMO.

It may be easier for some to overlook those behaviors when they see the guy perform...including the coaches.

Right. I'm not saying that Hardy is an angel, showing up on time, doing great preparation and work and the just don't like him because they just don't like him.

The guy apparently didn't want to show up on time and had games where he didn't bother to show up much either. When you don't show up, regularly, on game day and you're missing meetings and stuff then you're going to wear your welcome thin a heck of a lot quicker then a guy they see making a difference regularly, every game.

 

[BlindFaith]

I did hear the first part of the interview and I think Mincey did backtrack on most of his comments except one. He basically clarified that what became too much was the media circus surrounding Hardy's every move. My interpretation: Hardy was a team distraction because of the media-driven distraction. It was "too much."

I do agree that he made a comparison between their two styles and that Hardy, at this point, just wants to play football. He does not want to be a role model, or a spokesperson against anything or for anything. He does not care to be a model citizen or a team leader. He just wants to play football.

Mincey thinks he is the leader needed to bring productivity and harmony back to the locker room. We shall see.

Mincey, Hayden. The other spare parts on the DL that they've brought in. Ro Mac. To some degree, Carr. They have become the identity of this defense over the last couple of years. And its unfortunate. Three years ago this defense was horrendous. Like all time NFL bad. A step or two up from that doesn't make the above mentioned guys good, just better than what we had. But I get the feeling that the coaching staff and those players themselves think they are much better than what they really are. Mincey is a prime example of that.

Hardy came in as a very good player that was all business on the field. I think guys saw his effort, hard work and ability and it was, quite frankly, a culture shock. Someone on this defensive line that could actually play, sans Crawford. But Crawford still doesn't have any skins on the wall and his overall numbers still wouldn't put him in the top echelon of DTs. Injury definitely plays a part in that.

But I think the divide could be between those younger players that want to work and get better vs the JAGs that think they are good enough already. Hardy didn't want to accept losing where as for others, it didn't matter because they were still getting a paycheck. Mincey is trying to save face for yet another wasted year. Injuries, chemistry, whatever the excuse. He won't be back.

It really reminds me of when Micheal Irvin went to Jimmy and told him he needed to clean house because a lot of the guys were just around to collect a check. Defensively we need an attitude change. I personally think that starts with a change a DC, but that won't happen. The next thing we can do is replace the JAGs with guys who can and want to play.

Defense, I believe, is what needs fixing. The offense, as we've seen, hinges completely around Romo. This coaching staff is unable to out coach anyone. Romo has to outplay other teams. We can upgrade RB in the draft. We can also get a speed receiver in the draft. I'd replace Witten myself, but he won't be let go until he physically can't walk onto the field anymore. And Dez needs to get his head out of his arse, learn how to run routes and get back into shape. If we can get back to the 2014 offensive productivity and add to it a new attitude on defense, we could and should be talking about playoffs next year.

 

[mugsybows]

I did hear the first part of the interview and I think Mincey did backtrack on most of his comments except one. He basically clarified that what became too much was the media circus surrounding Hardy's every move. My interpretation: Hardy was a team distraction because of the media-driven distraction. It was "too much."

I do agree that he made a comparison between their two styles and that Hardy, at this point, just wants to play football. He does not want to be a role model, or a spokesperson against anything or for anything. He does not care to be a model citizen or a team leader. He just wants to play football.

Mincey thinks he is the leader needed to bring productivity and harmony back to the locker room. We shall see.

 

[TheCount]

i think hes kind of saying his motivation style is different than gregs. minceys is more personal while gregs is all im going to come in do my job work hard and hopefully that will rub off on other players.

From what I've seen, that's not Mincey's style. Mincey is about building a tight knit group where it's more like a brotherhood.

Hardy is about personal responsibility, he doesn't mind yelling at you if you screw up in his eyes and he will call you out for screw ups.

There are benefits to both leadership styles, but it's hard to have both.

 

[The Natural]

Welp, Mincey getting destroyed by CZ's favorite son

 

[Redball Express]

Got ya.

Thanx for the revision.

That sounds more reasonable.

I think we all know when you put the Star on..

you become a target as much as a fan favorite.

I like Hardy the player. As a person..not so much.

 

[mugsybows]

From what I've seen, that's not Mincey's style. Mincey is about building a tight knit group where it's more like a brotherhood.

Hardy is about personal responsibility, he doesn't mind yelling at you if you screw up in his eyes and he will call you out for screw ups.

There are benefits to both leadership styles, but it's hard to have both.

yeah and thats exactly what he pretty much said he meant when it was him or me. but then ben and skin said well i heard you were also the closest to Hardy and sort of a Hardy whisperer and he agreed and said that hardy was his boy and he'd love to return to the cowboys but at this point we'll see.

 

[erod]

It is amazing to me what people are willing to overlook this day and age. In sports and everywhere.

What happened to our principles?

 

[InDakWeTrust]

What did Mincey do this year? It's like Brad Johnson all over again. I'm going to file this as grown men not liking to lose and the media taking it out of context.

Hardy, one full year removed will quietly sign a contract again with us. Mincey, unproductive after holding out, will be let go. Let Irving and Russell replace him. Get a healthy Crawford and dump the skating Hayden experiment. Then get into some games with a lead and watch the sacks come.

The story about Hardy and Davon Coleman will always stick in my head. And that's with Hardy training knowing he was suspended for 10 games..he has a place on my team if I have a choice.

 

[DandyDon52]

Mincey, Hayden. The other spare parts on the DL that they've brought in. Ro Mac. To some degree, Carr. They have become the identity of this defense over the last couple of years. And its unfortunate. Three years ago this defense was horrendous. Like all time NFL bad. A step or two up from that doesn't make the above mentioned guys good, just better than what we had. But I get the feeling that the coaching staff and those players themselves think they are much better than what they really are. Mincey is a prime example of that.

Hardy came in as a very good player that was all business on the field. I think guys saw his effort, hard work and ability and it was, quite frankly, a culture shock. Someone on this defensive line that could actually play, sans Crawford. But Crawford still doesn't have any skins on the wall and his overall numbers still wouldn't put him in the top echelon of DTs. Injury definitely plays a part in that.

But I think the divide could be between those younger players that want to work and get better vs the JAGs that think they are good enough already. Hardy didn't want to accept losing where as for others, it didn't matter because they were still getting a paycheck. Mincey is trying to save face for yet another wasted year. Injuries, chemistry, whatever the excuse. He won't be back.

It really reminds me of when Micheal Irvin went to Jimmy and told him he needed to clean house because a lot of the guys were just around to collect a check. Defensively we need an attitude change. I personally think that starts with a change a DC, but that won't happen. The next thing we can do is replace the JAGs with guys who can and want to play.

Defense, I believe, is what needs fixing. The offense, as we've seen, hinges completely around Romo. This coaching staff is unable to out coach anyone. Romo has to outplay other teams. We can upgrade RB in the draft. We can also get a speed receiver in the draft. I'd replace Witten myself, but he won't be let go until he physically can't walk onto the field anymore. And Dez needs to get his head out of his arse, learn how to run routes and get back into shape. If we can get back to the 2014 offensive productivity and add to it a new attitude on defense, we could and should be talking about playoffs next year.

good post, on the bolded, I think too many dallas players are ok with losing.... watching the tape.... get better.
Hardy did not buy into that, he got upset with the ST play on the harris return, and that showed, he felt that was
something that should not have happened.
It probably frustrated him, as each week they lost and found new ways to lose, and were beating themselves.

I think that plus all the media stuff worn him down and he let up on the field.
It would be hard to be going all out and the rest of the team is not. Or enough isnt so would be hard to stay motivated.

I dont really care what mincey said, the jones boys will decide on hardy.
If he signs again it should be cheaper and with incentives.
I will just wait and see what the jones boys do, that is all that matters.

 

[bkeavs]

That was my reaction. When Josh Hamilton won the MVP his team went to the World Series. No one every accused him of being a leader (or ever will). But fans were perfectly happy with his production. If Hardy comes back on a one year deal and puts up 12 sacks, no one will remember all this offseason chatter.

Unless we are 4-12 again