Mincey: Tension grew in Cowboys locker room with Greg Hardy

Alexander

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Not really we know Hardy was called in to the office by Garrett on at least 4 occasions, if anything Mincey words only add to what has already been reported.

The call-ins to Garrett's office are a different subject matter than what Mincey is describing. I don't doubt he was some sort of an odd fit. But it is clear that Mincey is suggesting he was some sort of divisive force in the locker room that disrupted the entire team. Sorry, there were other more serious "distruptions" than Hardy and his baggage, like a poorly prepared team along with no QB. They seemed to function fairly well with him around. I would understand if they tanked down the stretch and they really did not.
 

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I don't think that you watched them carefully enough, then. Hardy was our best overall D lineman (run and pass). He might not have been worth his salary now or in the future, but that's a different subject.

Mincey is trying to justify his retention with innuendo. Until I hear a number of other players suggest that Hardy was a mood killer, I'll reserve judgement on the whole chemistry issue.

I'm not sure that a group who's chemistry is dependent on perennial losers like Mincey and Hayden is worth all that much in the first place.

I don't care if they keep Mincey or not. What I do care about is the fact football is not some 1 man game and while Hardy may have very good talent he is still part of an overall group. Fact is he was called in by Garrett so what Mincey says hold a bit more weight than as some guys trying to use a ploy. After all the people within the organization know what Mincey is saying is true or not and Mincey saying it publicy will not change the reality that coaches and players know.

So when you guys say Mincey is only saying that so the team will keep him over Hardy? Please the fans have no say so at all those in the locker room and within coaching staff know the truth
 

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The call-ins to Garrett's office are a different subject matter than what Mincey is describing. I don't doubt he was some sort of an odd fit. But it is clear that Mincey is suggesting he was some sort of divisive force in the locker room that disrupted the entire team. Sorry, there were other more serious "distruptions" than Hardy and his baggage, like a poorly prepared team along with no QB. They seemed to function fairly well with him around. I would understand if they tanked down the stretch and they really did not.

again Mincey saying this does not change reality we the fans are not the determining factor the organization, coaching staff is and do have a say and they do know the truth. So how is Mincey words publicly going to alter anything? Those who do know, know what is true.
 

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The guy was asked about Hardy, It is no secret about hardy as we have been hearing about it from different sources this week.

Now the guy is honest and he gets belittled because his production is not great.

Well...nobody said his production was great.

I guess he could just say no comment when asked about Hardy, but if every player did that, we would never know anything about what goes on behind the scenes.

Or we could chalk it up to a former disgruntled player talking bad about the team...;wait...he is still on the team.

How about we just take the info given and realize there is a problem with Hardy and how others on the team viewed him instead of turning it on the person that said something about it.

Bravo... I think Mincey spoke from his heart. You could tell from Garrett's answers to Hardy questions that he did not want to speak
negatively about him but, he sure didn't provide any ringing endorsements either. Hardy will not be coming back if Garrett has a say.
 

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So far the only evidence is from a player who has the most to gain if he is not brought back. I'll wait for others without something to gain to comment on how he was responsible for disrupting team chemistry.

Do you think Hardy is head and shoulders above Mincey? Do you think the coaches think Hardy is head and shoulders above Mincey?
 

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Do you think Hardy is head and shoulders above Mincey? Do you think the coaches think Hardy is head and shoulders above Mincey?

Talent-wise, of course he is. And I think the coaches/organization were disappointed he didn't come in there and blow it up for a billion gazillion sacks. Had he done so, they would not care what people like Mincey have to say about how he was in regards to chemistry.

Facts are that Hardy appeared to let the controversy affect him and he did not meet expectations. Now the only question should be is they feel that's now passed and is he capable of producing to the levels they want. If not, don't sign him back and move on.
 

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You can side with whom ever you like. I did not see 31 other teams jumping over each other to grab Hardy Dallas took a chance on him and he has failed.

Did Hardy fail or did this defense and coaching fail?

Was the production he showed in Carolina just an aberration? What really has this defense been under Marinelli? We've heard the stories about no adjustments being made. Lack of any kind of creativity.

I'm not making excuses for Hardy. If he missed meetings then that's on him. And personally I don't want him back unless its below what I'd assume the market will pay. But it could be that he just had enough of the averageness.

People have a problem with Mincey's comments, because he flat out said he didn't agree with the decision to bring Hardy here and he understands the game better and is better for the younger guys, despite Hardy being more prolific.. And that they shouldn't have gotten Hardy because allegedly nothing was broke, so they didn't need fixing..

I thought per the members of the Zone, a player is not suppose to vent his frustrations and keep it in-house and sacrifice for the betterment of the team regarding things like playing time and here Mincey is openly doing that and Hardy is the bad guy when Hardy was light years better..

The trait that Mincey is exemplifying would qualify as being a cancer.. He's taking advantage of Hardy's PR image to take jabs at him. He knows Dez comes late to meetings..

Mincey is a turd.

That is all.
 
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Talent-wise, of course he is. And I think the coaches/organization were disappointed he didn't come in there and blow it up for a billion gazillion sacks. Had he done so, they would not care what people like Mincey have to say about how he was in regards to chemistry.

Facts are that Hardy appeared to let the controversy affect him and he did not meet expectations. Now the only question should be is they feel that's now passed and is he capable of producing to the levels they want. If not, don't sign him back and move on.

I think it did also. There was a noticeable drop off in his "ferocity" after the media storm. I think Hardy is a player that has to have his crazy side on 24/7 in order for him to play berserk on the field.

Having said that, I believe Mincey. I think he has more to lose by going public with his complaint, especially since he's not as good a player on the field as Hardy is.
 

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Did Hardy fail or did this defense and coaching fail?

Was the production he showed in Carolina just an aberration? What really has this defense been under Marinelli? We've heard the stories about no adjustments being made. Lack of any kind of creativity.

I'm not making excuses for Hardy. If he missed meetings then that's on him. And personally I don't want him back unless its below what I'd assume the market will pay. But it could be that he just had enough of the avera


Mincey is a turd.

That is all.

Coaches did not suspend him his action did. Did the coaches fail him? was he showing up late to meetings? according to reports yes and that is on him.

He was productive in Carolina and they moved on from him and have not missed a beat.

As for Mincey I don't care if he comes back or not as for character I trust his more so than Hardy but what Mincey is saying is not going to sway the team one way or the other, the organization and coaches know what the truth is
 

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Carolina did miss a beat last year, but they got a good coach in Rivera who can adjust and a QB whose improving year by year.
 

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Carolina did miss a beat last year, but they got a good coach in Rivera who can adjust and a QB whose improving year by year.

If I listed to fans views of coaches I would think Mike Zimmer was a lousy coach since most here wanted him gone when he was in Dallas. Claiming much of the same BS you claim about every other coach in Dallas.
 

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If I listed to fans views of coaches I would think Mike Zimmer was a lousy coach since most here wanted him gone when he was in Dallas. Claiming much of the same BS you claim about every other coach in Dallas.

You are what your record says you are...
 

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You are what your record says you are...

yeah 12-4 last season and 4-12 this season. I'm not cutting anyone slack for this years performance, not coaches, players or organization. When it comes to the topic of Hardy seems to me it others making excuses for him not me. I expect every fricken player on a 4-12 team to go the extra mile not show up late so you hang with the excuse crowd all you want as far as I'm concerned Hardy and any other player on this team who wants to go by their own time schedule and do their own thing can go do it some where else. I want players who are dedicated to the cause not guys looking for a payday
 

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yeah 12-4 last season and 4-12 this season. I'm not cutting anyone slack for this years performance, not coaches, players or organization. When it comes to the topic of Hardy seems to me it others making excuses for him not me. I expect every fricken player on a 4-12 team to go the extra mile not show up late so you hang with the excuse crowd all you want as far as I'm concerned Hardy and any other player on this team who wants to go by their own time schedule and do their own thing can go do it come where else. I want players who are dedicated to the cause not guys looking for a payday

And 8-8 ever other season, failing to make the play-offs 3 years in a row...

Garrett apparently is looking for a pay-day himself...
 

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And 8-8 ever other season, failing to make the play-offs 3 years in a row...

Garrett apparently is looking for a pay-day himself...

That is true and Jerry has the ability to fire him anytime he wants if he does I will not say he was not justified, he also can choose not to pay Hardy or put clauses in a contract to cover the team.
 

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Brad Sham has a nice interview with Crawford and Irving a few
Days ago. In it they both said something especially interesting things about Greg Hardy.


On what they can tell the fans about Greg Hardy:

Irving: "As a person, me and Greg, we speak outside of football, as we all do. It's funny, they [those not on the team] don't really know what to think about him. It's funny because I get to be around him, we get to be around him. I'll tell you what; he's pretty straightforward. He's real kind, he's intelligent. He's a hilarious dude. He's crazy to work with on the field too. He's interesting. I know Ty [Crawford] could tell you that. He knows his stuff, man. He's smart. He helps, he helps us all with just little technique things. He's pretty cool on and off the field."

On what they can tell the fans about Greg Hardy:

Crawford: "As a player, like David [Irving] said, he's really smart. He's passionate and hard working, definitely. The reason why some of us on this team would actually finish and not stop until we touch; we have this one-on-one pass rush [drill] where we have to touch the dot. Some of us would rush and not end up touching the dot at all. Zack Martin or Tyron Smith would just keep you from the dot. The dot is where the quarterback would be standing. It's like five yards behind the center. Tyron Smith would just pick you up and be like, 'No. You're not going to the dot.' Randy Gregory sometimes has no chance of getting to the dot. Greg would go, go, go and then would act like he was walking back to the like then just shoot back to the dot and touch the dot. He always touched the dot. That was something that really stuck out to me this year with Greg. He has his football crazy moments where he's just super passionate. He's a hard worker, great dude. For a lot of people that think he's not a great dude, he's a great dude. He just gets the job done. That's what I got to say about Greg.
 

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Brad Sham has a nice interview with Crawford and Irving a few
Days ago. In it they both said something especially interesting things about Greg Hardy.


On what they can tell the fans about Greg Hardy:

Irving: "As a person, me and Greg, we speak outside of football, as we all do. It's funny, they [those not on the team] don't really know what to think about him. It's funny because I get to be around him, we get to be around him. I'll tell you what; he's pretty straightforward. He's real kind, he's intelligent. He's a hilarious dude. He's crazy to work with on the field too. He's interesting. I know Ty [Crawford] could tell you that. He knows his stuff, man. He's smart. He helps, he helps us all with just little technique things. He's pretty cool on and off the field."

On what they can tell the fans about Greg Hardy:

Crawford: "As a player, like David [Irving] said, he's really smart. He's passionate and hard working, definitely. The reason why some of us on this team would actually finish and not stop until we touch; we have this one-on-one pass rush [drill] where we have to touch the dot. Some of us would rush and not end up touching the dot at all. Zack Martin or Tyron Smith would just keep you from the dot. The dot is where the quarterback would be standing. It's like five yards behind the center. Tyron Smith would just pick you up and be like, 'No. You're not going to the dot.' Randy Gregory sometimes has no chance of getting to the dot. Greg would go, go, go and then would act like he was walking back to the like then just shoot back to the dot and touch the dot. He always touched the dot. That was something that really stuck out to me this year with Greg. He has his football crazy moments where he's just super passionate. He's a hard worker, great dude. For a lot of people that think he's not a great dude, he's a great dude. He just gets the job done. That's what I got to say about Greg.

Hmmmmmm, so two young guys who are sure to stick around, seem to have nothing but good things to say, but the scrub who did squat and at risk of being cut is accusing Hardy of being a distraction. Guess this won't get much play in the media.
 

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So to be clear you re saying anyone accused (not convicted) of DV should no longer we be allowed to work their job?
They should be banned from their entire field?

If the league, through their own investigation finds evidence, then yes. One year minimum
 
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