Mincey: Tension grew in Cowboys locker room with Greg Hardy

[skinsscalper]

Garrett lost the WR corps under T.O. and he is lterally hated by Crayton and other guys who played for him.
Hardy was fully supported by the players and coaches in Carolina. It was the owner htere hwo demanded he be gone.

Which guy is really the hard one to get along with.

You mean the loud mouthed, me first, players hated the authority figure in charge? No ****? Weird.

How many times was he late?

What other players were late?

You are making a ton of assumptions.
I side with Hardy because he is 28 years old with 40 sacks in 75 career games.

Garrett has 45 wins in 88 games.

One is a freak and outlier, the other is right down the middle as average as you can be.
It takes outliers to win.

The same attitudes were referenced when signing guys like Vontaze Burfict and Pac Man Jones. That seems to have ended well, eh.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Hardy has 40 sacks in 75 games played.

That averages to about 8.5 sacks per 16 games.

Not bad but certainly not a HOF track.

He barely played his rookie year. Look at his starts. He's averaging .706 sacks per start. Over 16 games that is 11.3 sacks.




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[Yakuza Rich]

I don't know that Hardy won't be a Hall of Famer some day, but he looked far, far from Canton in '15, and I sure don't blame Garrett for that. Hardy had at least as much motivation as any player this year to keep his mouth shut, play well and produce at a high level, but he didn't, not even close. This past offseason, a total of two teams were willing to pay Hardy to play football. The whole world wanted to see him flop. The possibility of a big long-term deal with a bunch of guaranteed money obviously didn't motivate the guy. Hell, he couldn't even hit the escalators in his Dallas contract, so I don't know what Jason Garrett was supposed to have done, especially with Jerry running around undermining him as fast as he could.

Garrett may deserve to be fired, but Hardy's inability to perform is not among the many reasons why. At least not to me.

He was the best D-Lineman on the team this season. He forced more pressures per snap than any other player on the team, did it while being banged up and having to move to DT in nickel and dime packages. If Garrett can't see that and can't be bothered to try and figure out a way to work with a talented and productive player like Hardy who is currently the best D-Lineman on the team then he better make up for it somewhere else...otherwise he should go back to being a QB coach for some shlub team.





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[Zordon]

these guys were losers before hardy and losers with him. i hate how he's being setup as the fall guy. this is what SAS is talking about. garrett will convince jerry to let him go and then they will spend the entire offseason selling to the fans how next year will be different b/c hardy is gone and the chemistry is back. fans here will eat it up.

 

[Sasquatch]

People complain about Garrett's bland and overly cautious platitudes. People complain about Mincey's frank comments on Hardy.

to the Zone.

 

[Sasquatch]

Exactly. I believe Mincey. Actually, he has more to lose by commenting publicly on Hardy's role in the locker room and teammates' attitudes about him.

And something to gain if he has tired of lockering next to an unpredictable headcase.

 

[Randy White]

Did anybody see A Football Life with Charles Haley?

It wasn't like he was beloved by everybody in the Cowboys locker room.

The difference is that we had a coach that didn't have a problem dealing with somebody like that because he was the an integral part of the defense. .YR

Because Haley produced. And Jimmah Jenius put up with Haley because he produced. JJ had very little, if anything at all, to do with Charles Haley being one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Red didn't do anything to prevent Hardy from having an All Pro season. Hardy did that all by himself. The only thing that Garrett could have done, perhaps should have done, was bench him but that would have opened up a whole new can of worms.

 

[khiladi]

What qualifies as hurting the team for Hardy when your performing better with Hardy on it?

it's hilarious how people say that players should compromise ego for winning, but then complain about nonsensical saying subjective things like the disrupt chemistry, when they have different personalities, but make the team better..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mincey needs to remember if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all. It's nice to have the insight but you keep this stuff in the locker room. You don't broadcast.

Yup esprit de corps is founded on such principles. Keep it in house.

The story from before was that some player was complaining about his playing time not getting reduced. It does not take much to realize the person most desperate for said playing time is none other than the guy talking here.

Thing is that he talks about a story where he led by example in the class room and he realized the effect he had on people. The worst type of snake in the grass are the guys that realize that dynamic and still go looking for #1.

 

[Nova]

Hardy needs to be let go.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because Haley produced. And Jimmah Jenius put up with Haley because he produced. JJ had very little, if anything at all, to do with Charles Haley being one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Red didn't do anything to prevent Hardy from having an All Pro season. Hardy did that all by himself. The only thing that Garrett could have done, perhaps should have done, was bench him but that would have opened up a whole new can of worms.

As has been pointed out, Marinelli changed the line in the second half of the season flipping the DT and having Hayden at the 1 on the traditional weak side. This was also the time when DLaw started breaking out. No football player does everything all himself. Oversimplifying to apply fault and blame is a poor ethic.

As has also been pointed out, Haley had some pretty pedestrian sack totals while he was here. He opened things up for other guys but would end up with 4 sacks.

Your premises are flawed.

 

[mattjames2010]

Hardy needs to be let go.

As does Mincey for thinking this was a good idea to put out there.

I mean, for all he knows, he and Hardy could be back with the Cowboys in 2016, and he's here running his trap about Hardy? Good Riddance to Mincey.

 

[khiladi]

I just watched the interview and Mincey basically straight up said People can be prolific and young people would look upto Hardy, who is prolific, but he understands the game... He also said if something isn't broke, don't fix it.. Wasn't he playing the first 4 games when Hardy wasn't playing?

Wow.. Salty much..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My guess is that Hardy isn't coming back.

My certainty is that Mincey will not be coming back. Jerry Jones took a personal role in Hardy's development. I wouldn't count him out even if everyone on the board says they hate him.

 

[khiladi]

Dez is known for being late to meetings..

 

[khiladi]

Hardy has 40 sacks in 75 games played.

That averages to about 8.5 sacks per 16 games.

Not bad but certainly not a HOF track.

He had a year off and playing slightly injured in a very conservative defense, without any blitzing..

Take this year away, it's probably a lot higher..

 

[VACowboy]

He was the best D-Lineman on the team this season. He forced more pressures per snap than any other player on the team, did it while being banged up and having to move to DT in nickel and dime packages. If Garrett can't see that and can't be bothered to try and figure out a way to work with a talented and productive player like Hardy who is currently the best D-Lineman on the team then he better make up for it somewhere else...otherwise he should go back to being a QB coach for some shlub team.

How do you know he didn't?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

People complain about Garrett's bland and overly cautious platitudes. People complain about Mincey's frank comments on Hardy.

to the Zone.

Garrett is supposed to be a leader and he gets up there and talks like a politician. Mincey has no similar dynamic.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dez is known for being late to meetings..

They are self entitled children being paid 6 figures minimum. Being late to meetings is likely much more common than people credit it for.

 

[khiladi]

People have a problem with Mincey's comments, because he flat out said he didn't agree with the decision to bring Hardy here and he understands the game better and is better for the younger guys, despite Hardy being more prolific.. And that they shouldn't have gotten Hardy because allegedly nothing was broke, so they didn't need fixing..

I thought per the members of the Zone, a player is not suppose to vent his frustrations and keep it in-house and sacrifice for the betterment of the team regarding things like playing time and here Mincey is openly doing that and Hardy is the bad guy when Hardy was light years better..

The trait that Mincey is exemplifying would qualify as being a cancer.. He's taking advantage of Hardy's PR image to take jabs at him. He knows Dez comes late to meetings..