Mistake re-signing Tyrone Crawford?

[Stash]

It was a mistake in hindsight but at the time it was made it wasn't a bad decision
Something we can learn from but this can happen

Definitely. And I can admit that I was as wrong as the team was. I applauded the news and thought they had a key piece of the puzzle. But unlike some, I can admit that it didn't work out and that it's time to admit it and move on. The first step in correcting a mistake is realizing you made one.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Definitely. And I can admit that I was as wrong as the team was. I applauded the news and thought they had a key piece of the puzzle. But unlike some, I can admit that it didn't work out and that it's time to admit it and move on. The first step in correcting a mistake is realizing you made one.

I thought Morris was going to be really good...I was wrong

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Keep telling yourself that. While thinking you can prove an unprovable claim. An exercise in futility.

It's called a prediction based on market information. Compare and contrast with how you come up with your prediction. It's based on nothing but an emotional reaction.

 

[Idgit]

Saw Tyrone at the security check-in at the Denver airport on Sunday. I was thinking, you should be playing against Atlanta instead of being here.

You'd think with all the money we overpaid him he wouldn't have to work airport security during the offseason. That sucks.

 

[Nightman]

I thought Morris was going to be really good...I was wrong

Morris wasn't good or bad.......SSS....he had the same numbers DMC had but everyone loves him.....recency bias

If Morris had to play the whole year he would have had over 1000 yds which i s worth the salary he gets

 

[Nightman]

No I hit the nail on the head but carry on burying your head in the sand.

My eyes are wide open.........TCrawford is one of our best DL and if he was cut it would leave a huge hole at a time when we need to add talent to the D

 

[LocimusPrime]

Morris wasn't good or bad.......SSS....he had the same numbers DMC had but everyone loves him.....recency bias

If Morris had to play the whole year he would have had over 1000 yds which i s worth the salary he gets

Well....that makes me feel better. I wasn't wrong..thanks bro

 

[LocimusPrime]

You'd think with all the money we overpaid him he wouldn't have to work airport security during the offseason. That sucks.

 

[gmoney112]

I don't think many teams would be lining up for a player that's had back to back years hampered by shoulder injuries and needed surgery yet again. Rotator cuff isn't exactly a knee scope, he's going to be rehabbing a while.

He said he injured it Week 2.

Anyways, are we going to cut him? No, and we shouldn't this year. Is he overpaid? Reserving judgment, but if he's nursing some pretty significant injuries early in the season ago, then yeah, obviously.

I think given his injury history he'd make less than some people think. But, we'll see. He still has a chance to live up to the contract at least.

 

[Stash]

It's called a prediction based on market information. Compare and contrast with how you come up with your prediction. It's based on nothing but an emotional reaction.

Yours is based on the same 'nothing'. Both are unprovable hypothetical opinions, nothing more. If you think you can predict numbers, you should go play the lottery.

But feel free to give us your numbers on an oft-injured, overpaid player coming off of yet another injury and surgery, I'm eager to see them.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Oh jeez. Ok I don't know anything about football. Maybe you can teach me about football. I didn't even read any of your post after that point.

You were the one using mentions by the broadcaster as a measuring stick. I couldn't teach you a thing

 

[LocimusPrime]

How would you guys compare T Crawford to Damon Snacks Harrison. Crawford is smaller but has position flexibility ( I hate that term) and is quick twitch ( hate that term too) whereas Harrison is jumbo sized monster. Both have the same contract.

Just curious. Do you think that Harrison is more impactful or do you think Crawford is more of a game changer. Once again, I'm just curious.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yours is based on the same 'nothing'. Both are unprovable hypothetical opinions, nothing more. If you think you can predict numbers, you should go play the lottery.

But feel free to give us your numbers on an oft-injured, overpaid player coming off of yet another injury and surgery, I'm eager to see them.

I look to cap expansion, former contracts for unrestricted FA SDE/3T, and the other SDE/3T on the market and where he would rank amongst them. You have your emotional response.

 

[Stash]

I look to cap expansion, former contracts for unrestricted FA SDE/3T, and the other SDE/3T on the market and where he would rank amongst them. You have your emotional response.

I can counter that with an overpaid player with a lengthy history of injuries and surgeries who doesn't even have a true starting role on his own team, much less anyone else's.

And you've got your own set of vague responses.

Neither worth a damn.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can counter that with an overpaid player with a lengthy history of injuries and surgeries who doesn't even have a true starting role on his own team, much less anyone else's.

And you've got your own set of vague responses.

Neither worth a damn.

I've already posted the FA lists and seen where he ranks. Take a look and it quickly becomes apparent that the pickings are slim.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/defensive-line/

You can use the same site to look at team's cap space. There is a ton of money to be spent. You know that outside of QB DL talent is the most rare and sought after in the NFL. You also know that teams 'overpay' for it all the time.

And he started 16 and 14 games the past two seasons respectively. He has only missed 3 games in the past 4.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14987/tyrone-crawford

My position is not nebulous. That would be yours for example his supposed lack of starts.

 

[Stash]

I've already posted the FA lists and seen where he ranks. Take a look and it quickly becomes apparent that the pickings are slim.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/defensive-line/

You can use the same site to look at team's cap space. There is a ton of money to be spent. You know that outside of QB DL talent is the most rare and sought after in the NFL. You also know that teams 'overpay' for it all the time.

Show me where they "overpay" for injury risks with no clearly defined role. And plenty of teams had tons of cap space last year, but they didn't waste it on overpaying average talent. They rolled it over for the future.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...ace-your-favorite-nfl-team-will-have-in-2017/

And he started 16 and 14 games the past two seasons respectively. He has only missed 3 games in the past 4.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14987/tyrone-crawford

And 19 games in total. I took note of the selective sample provided. The player's injury history is a complete story, not selective. Teams will look at the entire thing, not skim for the parts they like. And they'll certainly take note of a lineman coming off of consecutive offseason shoulder surgeries.

My position is not nebulous. That would be yours for example his supposed lack of starts.

I didn't say "lack of starts", I said "lack of starting role". He's a rotational player on his own team. You know it and I know it. He may get the ceremonial "start" because he's a good team guy and a veteran on the team, but he's a Swiss Army knife that they plug in where needed, not a dominant, unquestioned lock at any of them. They found a better option in a rookie at 3T and David Irving outperformed him at defensive end.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Show me where they "overpay" for injury risks with no clearly defined role. And plenty of teams had tons of cap space last year, but they didn't waste it on overpaying average talent. They rolled it over for the future.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...ace-your-favorite-nfl-team-will-have-in-2017/



And 19 games in total. I took note of the selective sample provided. The player's injury history is a complete story, not selective. Teams will look at the entire thing, not skim for the parts they like. And they'll certainly take note of a lineman coming off of consecutive offseason shoulder surgeries.



I didn't say "lack of starts", I said "lack of starting role". He's a rotational player on his own team. You know it and I know it. He may get the ceremonial "start" because he's a good team guy and a veteran on the team, but he's a Swiss Army knife that they plug in where needed, not a dominant, unquestioned lock at any of them. They found a better option in a rookie at 3T and David Irving outperformed him at defensive end.

He started every game last year. What risk?

You're assuming he won't next year but you have no basis for that but wishcasting.

His injuries did not cause him to lose games.

You still have yet to even consider the market.

 

[Nightman]

He started every game last year. What risk?

You're assuming he won't next year but you have no basis for that but wishcasting.

His injuries did not cause him to lose games.

You still have yet to even consider the market.

He is complaining about the future....his cap hits the last 2 years were 2.8m and 4.3m

This is just year 2 of his extension, if he fails from here out then it is a fair complaint....but not yet since A- he hasn't failed and B- he hasn't been overpaid

 

[Stash]

He started every game last year. What risk?

He's missed 19 games in a 5-year career. And you want to point to "last year"? He's had an Achilles surgery and not one, but two shoulder surgeries, in back to back seasons.

You're assuming he won't next year but you have no basis for that but wishcasting.

His injuries did not cause him to lose games.

19 games over 5 years, if not injuries, what did?

You still have yet to even consider the market.

His "market" isn't the same as other, healthier players. Players not coming off of yet another significant surgery. Players with clearly defined roles.

And you're trying to put free agents and a guy who would be cut on a level playing field as well, more flawed thinking. Seldom, if ever does a player get released and go to another team making equal or greater money. If they were worth it, the team that released them would have kept them.

You don't want to acknowledge these significant factors.

 

[Stash]

He is complaining about the future....his cap hits the last 2 years were 2.8m and 4.3m

This is just year 2 of his extension, if he fails from here out then it is a fair complaint....but not yet since A- he hasn't failed and B- he hasn't been overpaid

Your opinion. Nothing more.

Plenty of other opinions feel differently.