MMQB - The NFL’s Top 21 Quarterbacks for the Rest of 2017

[Yakuza Rich]

But they aren't just using the Eagles conversion rate on 3rd down. They are using Wentz's actual stats on 3rd down and he's the highest rated QB in football on third down.

The same applies to the QB's stats. Mainly because it's easier to throw effectively on 3rd and 2 than it is on 3rd and 13.





YR

 

[Sydla]

The same applies to the QB's stats. Mainly because it's easier to throw effectively on 3rd and 2 than it is on 3rd and 13.





YR

LOL. Of course.

Something tells me you wouldn't be so quick to take credit away if it were Prescott leading QBs on third down.

Every stat that indicates Wentz is having a really good season you are quick to diminish it. LOL.

 

[zack]

I have never understood the Newton love affair. Never.

Agree and I live in NC. He’s just not a good Qb. He’s great at celebrating and throwing the ball high. Obviously this writer didn’t see how he threw the ball right to the Philadelphia Eagles last week.

 

[mcmvp]

The same applies to the QB's stats. Mainly because it's easier to throw effectively on 3rd and 2 than it is on 3rd and 13.





YR

His success is not because he’s been in 3rd and short all the time

 

[Gameover]

considering your hatred of Romo any QB opinion from you is pretty much toilet paper

I was actually a big Romo fan, 2006-12

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think it's pretty close. Dak has the better completion percentage 62 percent to 60. Wentz has a better YPA at 7.7 to 6.7. Wentz has a better TD-to-int. with 13-3 to 11-4, but has fumbled five times and lost two while Dak has fumbled once.

Separating the two comes down to personal preference right now IMO.

Wentz has also played one more game than Dak has..........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Goodness.....Ben R, Rivers and Eli?

 

[gimmesix]

Wentz has also played one more game than Dak has..........

Good point.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

His success is not because he’s been in 3rd and short all the time

Again, I never stated that was the case.

I was showing the statistical patterns.

Teams that do well on 1st and 2nd downs have a correlation to do well on 3rd downs. The same goes for QB's. If they do not do well on 3rd downs, the historical trends in the NFL is for their 3rd down play to progress over time.

Conversely, if you do well on 3rd downs despite struggles on 1st and 2nd downs, the historical trends are for the 3rd downs to suffer eventually.

That's part of what is being overlooked by the Wentz fanboys...they are ignoring the statistical trends and basing their love for Wentz off a small sample size of success and then trying to state he's better than Dak who has a much larger sample size of success and still holds a better QBR than Wentz.

This was much like last season when Wentz had early success which included a thrashing of the Steelers. Everybody rushed to judgment that Wentz was going to be the next great rookie and in the end he played awful.

There's no doubt in my mind that Wentz has improved, but to claim he's better than Dak based on statistics, particularly 3rd downs, is a poor understanding of basic statistical concepts of NFL football and statistics in general.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

LOL. Of course.

Something tells me you wouldn't be so quick to take credit away if it were Prescott leading QBs on third down.

Something tells me that no matter how poorly Wentz plays you would be quick to put your pom poms on and spin it as the greatest thing since the forward pass was created. And then when he struggles, you would compare his stats to Joe Namath or Troy Aikman's.

It's really pathetic to watch.

Every stat that indicates Wentz is having a really good season you are quick to diminish it. LOL.

Just like every stat last year had Wentz having a really good season thru his first 5 games. Then as the sample size grew he had a miserable rookie campaign.

It's not like I'm making this data out of thin air. Football Outsiders, Brian Burke and Warren Sharp have all seen the same exact data as well. That's why 3rd down conversions are often overrated because it's more important to do well on first and 2nd down. Just like the overrated importance of the 'red zone' when the best offensive scoring teams have performed the best on their own 20 to 50 yard line. Or how people overrate the importance of winning the running game or think Switzer running the ball off a kickoff return from the back of the end zone was a 'bad idea.' There's a plethora of fallacies in football that are spouted every day.

There's no doubt in my mind that Wentz has improved, but using 3rd down conversions as proof that he's a better QB has some real holes in terms of proving causation. The sample size is also small and the fact is that Dak still has a higher QBR than Wentz does this season and had a far higher QBR than Wentz did all of last season.

And that's with the Eagles averaging, sans Wentz, 4.5 yards per carry versus the Cowboys, sans Prescott, averaging 3.9 yards per carry.

At this point, the proof is that Dak is the better QB at this point in time. He has a better QBR than Wentz right now, he had a far better QBR last season and he has a far long sample size of playing well.





YR

 

[Gameover]

Philly faithful and risen puke will love this list. Because they are obsessed with our 4th round QB. The outright envy has been incredible to observe.

But 15th best QB in the league with top 10 potential, that we got with the 129th pick in the draft!!!!! I'll take that everyday of the week and a double scoop on Sundays!

If Dak solidifies himself as a top 10 QB I don't give a damn if Carson Wentz goes on to become the GOAT... I'll be the happiest guy alive

Then it's the personel people's job to build a better roster than the Eagles

2-1, 3-0

Those be Troy Aikman's playoff records vs superior QB

Young and Favre

5

That be the number of SB won bythe guy some consider the GOAT, during his 15 full seasons as a starter.

10

Number of years he didn't win it all.

Build a better roster

Best roster wins. QB get the media hype

2
2
2

During that span Eli, Ben and Peyton all won multiple championships

Build a better roster

I always thought Romo >>> Brees

For those who think I hate Romo.

I only hate his fans who ignore his faults

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

LOL. Of course.

Something tells me you wouldn't be so quick to take credit away if it were Prescott leading QBs on third down.

Every stat that indicates Wentz is having a really good season you are quick to diminish it. LOL.

Par for the course with YR.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

To have guys like Jamies Winston and Cam Newton ahead of Dak is inexcusable.

 

[Clarkson]

When we're talking about weapons, defense has to be mentioned. Philly's defense is suffocating right now and forces turnovers. They keep the other team from scoring. These are both enormous benefits to a QB. Wentz doesn't have to go toe-to-toe with Aaron Rodgers to win a game. His defense will set him up to either have an underwhelming game, but they win because the other team scored 17 points. Or they'll give him the ball multiples times already on the other end of the field.

We saw the opposite for years with Romo. Romo always had to go out and win the game because the defense would inevitably go out and blow the lead. This lead to a lot of game, but also a lot of the mistakes that gave Romo the "choker" label. Always having the pressure to go out and win games on the last drive is tough on a QB and few (none?) had to do it as often as Romo. Wentz basically never has to do it. He still doesn't have a big win where they came from behind and he drove 80+ yards for a TD to win the game.

If he were forced to drive 75+ yards every time, he wouldn't have the pretty stats he does.

 

[noshame]

This myth needs to die. Dak is having a fine season but he's missing guys for whatever reason. The All-22 is showing guys open.

The all 22 shows guys open for every QB. Even the great A Rodgers. Too bad you can't put a helmet cam on the QB there's a wee bit of traffic out there at ground level.

 

[Clarkson]

QBs don't play the game from the All-22 perspective.

 

[Ken]

Wentz has a bizarrely high rating of 130 on 3rd downs.

It's not a stretch to suggest he's having a better year than Prescott.

Yes it is...ridiculous actually.

 

[Ken]

LOL, "he's missing guys for whatever reason"? He's lost a step is the reason. Granted the receiving corps is not helping but he is not playing as well. It's not fine. The Cowboys only go as far as their QB takes them and right now that's not good.

You obviously have an agenda if you think Dak is not good...lol

 

[Ken]

I’m not saying it’s a stretch to say he is playing better than Dak right now.

My argument is that wentz is 6 and Dak is 15. That’s 9 spots different. Also, part of the reason the writer puts Dak at 15 is due to a “small sample size”. However Dak’s sample size is the same as Wentz. So
That argument loses merit.

And Daks sample is far superior. The writer is an imbecile.

 

[JoeKing]

You obviously have an agenda if you think Dak is not good...lol

You obviously have an reading comprehension problem if you think I said "Dak is not good", that was not my words. I said he has lost a step but in fairness to him he had a step to lose and still be good. He's just not getting it done like last season.