Mo Claiborne or Bobby Wagner?

[koolaid]

We should go back and pick up Tom Brady while we are snapping up guys we passed on.

 

[Fredd]

This draft, trading 2 for one made a lot of sense and I am happy that we did that (although, we perhaps could have gotten another pick from SF)

but, I love Mo on the team...if you had gone with Brockers and Wags, then you would have HAD to do something at CB this year and taken a beating at CB last year...to me:

Mo>Brockers+Wagner, especially since we are more than OK at LB if they can stay healthy

 

[RoyTheHammer]

This draft, trading 2 for one made a lot of sense and I am happy that we did that (although, we perhaps could have gotten another pick from SF)

but, I love Mo on the team...if you had gone with Brockers and Wags, then you would have HAD to do something at CB this year and taken a beating at CB last year...to me:

Mo>Brockers+Wagner, especially since we are more than OK at LB if they can stay healthy

For sure, i would have chose one of the CB's in the first round if we had stayed put. I really liked Jenkins coming out, in spite of his red flags. Brockers is going to be a good player i think, just didn't really have the best fit as a 34 DE i didn't think.

 

[jnday]

I'll take a future shutdown CB....

Compared to a possible combination of three very good starters? With the change in defense, these high dollar corners are not even needed.

 

[03EBZ06]

Except that i doubt any of these CB's are on steriods.

My point is only after one year some folks were very upset that we didn't get Merriman because he had a great rookie year. I see similar things with Mo vs Jenkins or Wagner. Mo wasn't spectacular but he did enough to make me think Cowboys did the right thing by trading up for him, imo.

I don't know how all these players will pan out but all I can hope that Mo will have a great career regardless what others do.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Compared to a possible combination of three very good starters? With the change in defense, these high dollar corners are not even needed.

Your "trade" scenario is ridiculous. Who was going to give us a second rounder to move up to 14? The premise of this thread is absurd, but your scenario is even worse amazingly.

 

[conner01]

My point is only after one year some folks were very upset that we didn't get Merriman because he had a great rookie year. I see similar things with Mo vs Jenkins or Wagner. Mo wasn't spectacular but he did enough to make me think Cowboys did the right thing by trading up for him, imo.

I don't know how all these players will pan out but all I can hope that Mo will have a great career regardless what others do.

that is why you can't intellegently answer this question after just one year. as choc lab said, my inclination is always having the two over the one and the cheaper salaries to go with it. but in 3 or 4 years this will be a question that can actually be answered to some degree of certainty, today it's just as big of a guess as the draft as a whole is

 

[17yearsandcounting]

I'll take a future shutdown CB....

Dont think he is fast enough.

 

[Section446]

Dont think he is fast enough.

A little too stiff too. But, it's good to dream.

 

[jnday]

This draft, trading 2 for one made a lot of sense and I am happy that we did that (although, we perhaps could have gotten another pick from SF)

but, I love Mo on the team...if you had gone with Brockers and Wags, then you would have HAD to do something at CB this year and taken a beating at CB last year...to me:

Mo>Brockers+Wagner, especially since we are more than OK at LB if they can stay healthy

They could have went much cheaper at the CB position due the new defense not needing this type of corner. The resources spent on Mo could have went to other areas

 

[gmoney112]

A little too stiff too. But, it's good to dream.

Maybe the first person to ever call Mo' stiff. That's laughable.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Maybe the first person to ever call Mo' stiff. That's laughable.

I am right there with you gmoney. That is laughable.

One of the hallmark aspects to Mo is his fluidity and the way he can turn his hips.

 

[Cowboy06]

Not ready to even thin about this because the development curve. Ask me after year 3 in their careers.

I agree...I can remember when that guy that played for the Chargers was thought to be better than DeMarcus Ware. What was his name again? I guess we can turn the "lights out" on that debate. Give it time.

 

[jnday]

Your "trade" scenario is ridiculous. Who was going to give us a second rounder to move up to 14? The premise of this thread is absurd, but your scenario is even worse amazingly.

Yeah, the Cowboys made the only decision possible in your eyes. Damn, open uour eyes and think for yourself.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Your "trade" scenario is ridiculous. Who was going to give us a second rounder to move up to 14? The premise of this thread is absurd, but your scenario is even worse amazingly.

The only thing that's been absurd in this thread so far is your constant whining about it. Again, if you don't like what the thread is discussing, you aren't required to participate. The rest of us are simply discussing what we thought of the trade, the players involved, and if given the chance, if we'd do it over again. Feel free to take your sour grapes elsewhere, bud.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The only thing that's been absurd in this thread so far is your constant whining about it. Again, if you don't like what the thread is discussing, you aren't required to participate. The rest of us are simply discussing what we thought of the trade, the players involved, and if given the chance, if we'd do it over again. Feel free to take your sour grapes elsewhere, bud.

Nope, I'll continue to criticize the absurdity of the hypothetical.

For example, many have said, "I'd rather have Brockers and Wagner than Mo." Well, that's a silly conclusion because the Rams were high on Brockers, so there is a good possibility they would have traded back a little and still have drafted Brockers. On Wagner, maybe a team would have traded in front of the Cowboys to draft Wagner if the Cowboys were still on the board. This exercise is entirely pointless due to these uncertainties.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Nope, I'll continue to criticize the absurdity of the hypothetical.

For example, many have said, "I'd rather have Brockers and Wagner than Mo." Well, that's a silly conclusion because the Rams were high on Brockers, so there is a good possibility they would have traded back a little and still have drafted Brockers. On Wagner, maybe a team would have traded in front of the Cowboys to draft Wagner if the Cowboys were still on the board. This exercise is entirely pointless due to these uncertainties.

:laugh2:

Pointless to you, not to the rest of us engaging in the discussion.. which makes it all the more comical that you continue to take part in a thread you deem pointless.

 

[perrykemp]

I don't lament the selection of Mo -- I think he is going to be a tremendous player.

One player that I've barely seen mentioned in this thread is Casey Hayward -- who in addition to Janoris Jenkins also went in the 2nd round. He ended up leading the entire league (according to PFF) in CB passer rating against with a 31.1

Truth be told Hayward isn't the athlete that Mo is, HOWEVER, since we are playing this what if game, I'll say that Hayward was projected to be a top zone corner -- and would have fit in a Kiffin defense very well.

If you buy the fact that Hayward would have been a good Kiffin zone CB then the Cowboys wouldn't have had to move up in the 2nd round to get Mo.

Hayward ended up with 6 interceptions and 21 passes defensed.

Mo ended up with 1 interception and 8 passes defensed.

Again, that's a lot of what ifs.

 

[xwalker]

I don't lament the selection of Mo -- I think he is going to be a tremendous player.

One player that I've barely seen mentioned in this thread is Casey Hayward -- who in addition to Janoris Jenkins also went in the 2nd round. He ended up leading the entire league (according to PFF) in CB passer rating against with a 31.1

Truth be told Hayward isn't the athlete that Mo is, HOWEVER, since we are playing this what if game, I'll say that Hayward was projected to be a top zone corner -- and would have fit in a Kiffin defense very well.

If you buy the fact that Hayward would have been a good Kiffin zone CB then the Cowboys wouldn't have had to move up in the 2nd round to get Mo.

Hayward ended up with 6 interceptions and 21 passes defensed.

Mo ended up with 1 interception and 8 passes defensed.

Again, that's a lot of what ifs.

Kiffin stated that he intends to run coverages similar to Seattle's defense. Seattle plays more press than pure zone. Seattle's CBs were considered better press players than zone players when drafted.

 

[Idgit]

Kiffin stated that he intends to run coverages similar to Seattle's defense. Seattle plays more press than pure zone. Seattle's CBs were considered better press players than zone players when drafted.

This isn't directed at perrykemp, because he obviously knows what's up overall, but this press/press-bail comment keeps getting made, and Kiffin said it basically from his first press conference. But it doesn't sink in for some reason when the issue of the 2013 Dallas Cowboys secondary comes up. I'm not sure why.