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[diefree666]

Not one of those denials was made before the NFL report was released.

THOSE are the allegations and findings at issue.

And EE has NEVER denied those.

In fact, his carefully-worded, attorney-drafted twitter statement after the report's release carefully avoided s denial altogether.

Speaks volumes imo.

So how many times does he have to say it before you will credit it? I think he could never say anything that you will approve of. You have made up your mind he is guilty and nothing will change it. Congratulations; welcome to the NFL's Star Chamber.

 

[beacamdim]

Just because Dingbat Goodell MIGHT have the right to suspend Zeke, doesn't make it right. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I'm not equating this case to slavery and Jim Crow laws, but at one time thise practices were legal too, and people were well within their rights to partake in both.

I'm not touching right or wrong here.

Just clinically assessing how the process is likely to play out given the posture of the case.

 

[beacamdim]

So how many times does he have to say it before you will credit it? I think he could never say anything that you will approve of. You have made up your mind he is guilty and nothing will change it. Congratulations; welcome to the NFL's Star Chamber.

I'm not the one to ask. I haven't stated my opinion on that question because it does not matter.

At this point the only opinion that will is Henderson's

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

but not one single person saw a guy right in front of Zeke get knocked out at a club in Dallas? Lol, good stuff.

That's not true in anyway. There were rumours that he was seen knocking out a DJ, so those people would have seen it. And there were other people who saw him being knocked out that said Zeke didn't do it, so those people also saw it. Now obviously one of these is in accurate but saying no one saw someone get knocked out is an inaccurate and weak troll attempt.

 

[beacamdim]

'reasonable basis' clearly has a different meaning to you.

Not to me. In the context of adversary proceedings like this.

A decision has a "reasonable basis" if it has arguable support.

That is not a tough standard to meet.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'm not saying that.

Those are certainly reasons to disagree with the league.

But there is also evidence that the league can use to support its conclusions. And thst's bad for Zeke in the context of the appeal.

That's all I'm saying.

I'd like to know what the evidence is that they have on Zeke.

If they have something not found by Ohio prosecutors they are holding crucial evidence and thus might be doing unlawful and unjust.

Until then, I will side with Zeke because it seems from the evidence presented, he is the victim. Not her.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Everyone needs to remember: it's not enough that the bruises, etc. COULD have been caused by a fight with another girl.

Rather, on the appeal Zeke needs to show that the ONLY reasonable explanation was that ALL of those injuries were caused by a girl fight etc., AND that NONE of them was caused by anything Zeke did.

I can buy that she is lying about some of it -- even perhaps most of it.

But IMO Zeke is not going to be able to prove that the NFL could not look at the facts and plausibly conclude that Zeke hit her at least once.

And also remember, he hasn't denied anything. There is NO legal risk to do so - unless it would be a lie.

What would be the legal risk of his saying he didn't hit her if he had?

 

[beacamdim]

Obviously their opinion on this differs with yours. Does not mean it is wrong despite what you claim. There could be other legal reasons for the precise wording of his comments.

Well, I guess that's true. But it sure is unlikely.

It is one thing to suggest (as you have) that there "could" be some other explanation.

That's a far cry from having a specific alternative explanation.

I mean, it wouldn't be a very good defense for someone on trial for murder to say "well someone else also could have done it", and leave it at that, right?

 

[beacamdim]

I'd like to know what the evidence is that they have on Zeke.

If they have something not found by Ohio prosecutors they are holding crucial evidence and thus might be doing unlawful and unjust.

Until then, I will side with Zeke because it seems from the evidence presented, he is the victim. Not her.

The prosecutor is on record as saying he thinks some violence occurred, even if he couldn't say everything that happened specifically.

That's enough here in all likelihood, fair or not.

And no one is saying you are wrong for siding with Zeke.

The problem is that no one can say the NFL could not possibly have disagreed with you.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Not one of those denials was made before the NFL report was released.

THOSE are the allegations and findings at issue.

And EE has NEVER denied those.

In fact, his carefully-worded, attorney-drafted twitter statement after the report's release carefully avoided a denial altogether.

Speaks volumes imo.

Well maybe he doesn't need to just yet. There are strong enough evidence to prove that he is in the right.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The prosecutor is on record as saying he thinks some violence occurred, even if he couldn't say everything that happened specifically.

That's enough here in all likelihood, fair or not.

I really think you need to read the police report. Some violence occurred and her injuries were sustained during a bar fight with another woman. Two off duty officers and a security confirmed this.

 

[beacamdim]

What would be the legal risk of his saying he didn't hit her if he had?

Because then he would either have to backtrack when he testified (and kill his credibility both on the appeal and in the court of public opinion), or double down and lie again and risk perjury.

 

[beacamdim]

I really think you need to read the police report. Some violence occurred and her injuries were sustained during a bar fight with another woman. Two off duty officers and a security confirmed this.

I have read it. There is definitely evidence to call the league's conclusions into question.

But there is also evidence that others could believe tips the other way.

That's probably enough to uphold some kind of suspension.

All I'm saying.

 

[Shinaoi]

Maybe I'm insentive to downplay violence, no matter how she got them, but those bruises are very mild. Over all this I expected a punch had landed or something, not some slight discoloration.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Because then he would either have to backtrack when he testified, or double down and lie again and risk perjury.

When is he testifying?

 

[RJ_MacReady]

My emotional rollercoaster ride through all of this over the past year:

Summer of 2016, I was like:
- "WTH?.Dang it, Zeke! What are you doing?".
A couple of days later.....
- "Okay...that chick made it up and tried to get her friend lying, too! This ain't goin' anywhere.".

Last Friday.....
- "Dang! The NFL suspended him so there must be more to it. The whole 'he beat me over several days' might have legs after all. Maybe there's something to it?".
Since Sunday....
"Never mind, this chick is/was crazy...even crazier than what was initially reported! Bat**** crazy!"

 

[iamliko22]

Not one of those denials was made before the NFL report was released.

THOSE are the allegations and findings at issue.

And EE has NEVER denied those.

In fact, his carefully-worded, attorney-drafted twitter statement after the report's release carefully avoided s denial altogether.

Speaks volumes imo.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/deny

I think there's a denial in his statement...

 

[Plumfool]

Agreed. I would never - and do not - blame him for following their advice.

But why is their advice not to deny?

Almost certainly because to do so would be untrue.

Otherwise the best legal advice would be to proclaim your complete innocence.

Trust me: in my business, that's criminal defense 101.

Orrrrr he's 22 and has led a sheltered life and is doing the best thing for himself and his situation. I thought everything wasn't black and white.

 

[beacamdim]

When is he testifying?

I'm sure he has at a minimum submitted an affidavit with the appeal papers. That would be under oath and is written testimony.

Also could end up doing so at the appeal hearing and/or in subsequent court case. But neither of those guaranteed.

 

[Kevinicus]

All the affidavits seem to say either nothing happened that week, or they never saw any bruising.

Yep. Everything seems to go against what Tiffany said, and we know her credibility is non-existent. The bruises from the 22 look offensive or consistent with a fight or people pulling her away to break up the fight (two fairly symmetrical bruises on each arm). The NFL really better have something else. They are looking worse and worse.