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Morning, Pops and pen pals. Please excuse any typos as I can't see very well. I can't even read posts very very well. The eye surgery was last Wed. and a follow up on Thurs. The doc was pleased with the early progress on the healing. He said the macula was already starting to push back together. They gas bubble in my eye pushes the membran flat and together as long as I keep my face piippointed ant th floor. I am cautiously optimmistic about the outcome. I won't really be able to tell until the bubble dissipates. Right now I can't see anything through the bubble.

I'll post again when I cn see better. In the mean time I thank everyone of you for you proayers and well wishes. Take care my friends.
Hey, @LeonDixson, glad to hear you are in recovery mode. You'll be swinging a golf club in no time.

In anticipation of the next Avengers movie, my wife and I are in the midst of re-watching the Marvel movies. We watched Iron Man 3 last night and I thought of you -- it is probably too late, but maybe the eye surgeon can set you up with a heads-up display like Stark... you know, something with a range finder for the golf course. All kidding aside, I hope you have a speedy recovery.

I have to tell you, any thought of an eye injury or, even, something just touching my eye makes me cringe. I had lasik surgery about 3 years ago and, although it went perfectly -- no pain, only mild discomfort for a couple of days -- I still whine about it. Mind you, I do have 20/15 vision now. :)
 

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Morning, Pops and pen pals. Please excuse any typos as I can't see very well. I can't even read posts very very well. The eye surgery was last Wed. and a follow up on Thurs. The doc was pleased with the early progress on the healing. He said the macula was already starting to push back together. They gas bubble in my eye pushes the membran flat and together as long as I keep my face piippointed ant th floor. I am cautiously optimmistic about the outcome. I won't really be able to tell until the bubble dissipates. Right now I can't see anything through the bubble.

I'll post again when I cn see better. In the mean time I thank everyone of you for you proayers and well wishes. Take care my friends.
Morning Pops and everyone... and welcome back Leon. Always good to hear healing is on track.

Best to all. We made it to April, but watch out for the pranksters today folks.
 

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Morning, Pops and pen pals. Please excuse any typos as I can't see very well. I can't even read posts very very well. The eye surgery was last Wed. and a follow up on Thurs. The doc was pleased with the early progress on the healing. He said the macula was already starting to push back together. They gas bubble in my eye pushes the membran flat and together as long as I keep my face piippointed ant th floor. I am cautiously optimmistic about the outcome. I won't really be able to tell until the bubble dissipates. Right now I can't see anything through the bubble.

I'll post again when I cn see better. In the mean time I thank everyone of you for you proayers and well wishes. Take care my friends.
You never mind about typos, I am typotisitic and can make something out of anything.

So good to see the procedure was successful and you are on the mend. Leon, look on the bright side, for a while you are going to be the first to know when someone's shoes are untied, just think of the tripping and stumbling you can prevent.
 

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Morning Pops and everyone... and welcome back Leon. Always good to hear healing is on track.

Best to all. We made it to April, but watch out for the pranksters today folks.
This was always a double day for me, going into overtime mode to think up pranks to pull but April 1 was my wife's birthday, making it most important. She used to joke that April 1 was the "don't answer your phone day" for my friends because it was my goal to find one that was unaware of the legal prankster day until it was too late.

She would have been 73 today, and the best looking and sweetest 73 year old lady in the world. Been 8 years now and counting and I still feel like I've been beaten and robbed. The anger still rolls in spite of my best efforts to keep that in check and I do not venture forth on this day as I cannot bear to see other couples around my age. And I know it's not cool to play the "why them and not us" card but I allow myself some faults.
 

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This was always a double day for me, going into overtime mode to think up pranks to pull but April 1 was my wife's birthday, making it most important. She used to joke that April 1 was the "don't answer your phone day" for my friends because it was my goal to find one that was unaware of the legal prankster day until it was too late.

She would have been 73 today, and the best looking and sweetest 73 year old lady in the world. Been 8 years now and counting and I still feel like I've been beaten and robbed. The anger still rolls in spite of my best efforts to keep that in check and I do not venture forth on this day as I cannot bear to see other couples around my age. And I know it's not cool to play the "why them and not us" card but I allow myself some faults.
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This was always a double day for me, going into overtime mode to think up pranks to pull but April 1 was my wife's birthday, making it most important. She used to joke that April 1 was the "don't answer your phone day" for my friends because it was my goal to find one that was unaware of the legal prankster day until it was too late.

She would have been 73 today, and the best looking and sweetest 73 year old lady in the world. Been 8 years now and counting and I still feel like I've been beaten and robbed. The anger still rolls in spite of my best efforts to keep that in check and I do not venture forth on this day as I cannot bear to see other couples around my age. And I know it's not cool to play the "why them and not us" card but I allow myself some faults.
Wish her a happy birthday from all of us, wherever she is. You know where to find us if you need us today, my friend.
 

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Morning Pops. Morning Fellas and good morning to all of you who stop in and check out the thread.

I hope all of you had a great weekend, this weekend. I myself, totally sober BTW, walked outside on Friday night to bring the Dogs in and turned my ankle pretty good. Might be ligaments, don't know. Swelling hasn't gone down enough yet so we'll see. My fault, getting old. So anyway, stayed home on Saturday, Wife went to the Casino to Celebrate my Cousin's BDay. Sunday went to Church and then after that, had lunch with my Brother's family and some of my Uncles and Aunts. Snowed yesterday, got a little bit cold, to be honest. All in all, was a nice day except for the weather.

Coach, I join in sending out a Happy Birthday for your Mrs. I am sorry she is not here for you to celebrate with her but she will always be there, I suspect.

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW, John and Jan, have a great week guys.

That goes for everybody, have a great work week!
 

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Morning Pops, and a special good morning to all my buds here in this thread! Why a special good morning? I don't know, just popped in my head.

@ABQCOWBOY , I wish you a speedy recovery, and hope it's nothing serious...and while tagging your name just now, I noticed there's a junior you perusing the pages. Never knew that!

Everyone have a great day and a great rest of your week!
 

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Morning Pops, morning Fellas and good morning to all who decide to stop in and check out the thread.

Leon, good to see you are making the effort to post, even though seeing is a bit of a challenge. Get better my Friend!

RWB, yeah, ABQJr. has been posting on here a few years now. He basically grew up on this board, which is why I have always been very thankful that part of the boards montra has, and continues to be, Family Friendly. He was just a little guy when I started posting on this board and I would put something on the TV and he would sit by me and watch while I would get online and post. We spent many an hour doing just that when he was young. Now he has his own little guy and the generations continue. Maybe one day, that one will post on here too, who knows? ABQJr. is a little busier now then he was then so he isn't on as much but once in a while, you can find him online.

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW, John and Jan, I hope you are all well today. Does my heart good to see you guys post in this thread. I hope that some of these guys who haven't posted in awhile, come back in and make an appearance. Let us know you are all good!

Everyone, have a great day today.
 

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This was always a double day for me, going into overtime mode to think up pranks to pull but April 1 was my wife's birthday, making it most important. She used to joke that April 1 was the "don't answer your phone day" for my friends because it was my goal to find one that was unaware of the legal prankster day until it was too late.

She would have been 73 today, and the best looking and sweetest 73 year old lady in the world. Been 8 years now and counting and I still feel like I've been beaten and robbed. The anger still rolls in spite of my best efforts to keep that in check and I do not venture forth on this day as I cannot bear to see other couples around my age. And I know it's not cool to play the "why them and not us" card but I allow myself some faults.
Morning Pops and everyone.

CC I've been trying to think of something to say, but it's just too hard. I just passed the 3rd anniversary of my guys passing on 3/23 and the sting of it all is still so raw. I know for myself there's really nothing that CAN be said so I struggle with the emptiness of thought when trying to convey sympathies or positive wishes. Know you aren't alone in the struggles and emotion. There's many who walk with you through it whether by similar circumstance or just because they care about you and want you to know they've got a shoulder to lean on, an ear to hear your thoughts, a hug or just a comforting arm to put around your shoulder. Stay strong, my friend.
 

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Morning Pops and everyone.

CC I've been trying to think of something to say, but it's just too hard. I just passed the 3rd anniversary of my guys passing on 3/23 and the sting of it all is still so raw. I know for myself there's really nothing that CAN be said so I struggle with the emptiness of thought when trying to convey sympathies or positive wishes. Know you aren't alone in the struggles and emotion. There's many who walk with you through it whether by similar circumstance or just because they care about you and want you to know they've got a shoulder to lean on, an ear to hear your thoughts, a hug or just a comforting arm to put around your shoulder. Stay strong, my friend.
Thanks Jan, it is tough and people try to handle it in different ways. I am helping my bud through this as he lost his wife in November and is still struggling with it. And that has helped me with something.

It is easy to forget how we deal with events when we fall into the everyday trap thinking. By telling him what he's feeling, the anger, guilt and sorrow reminds me that I still feel those things and they can come on like a freight train sometimes but by reminding Mike, I hear the train whistle myself, recognize it for what it is and allow myself to ride it for a while. No guilt, no remorse, just ride it out and pretty soon I am jumping off. I don't know how many times I've told myself "whew, I must have needed that". Instead of beating myself up because I can't get past it.

My blessing and curse is that I filter through emotions, not logic, just like my Mom and the opposite of my Dad and that made him nuts. The curse is becoming too reactive and then sorry for that; the blessing is having my feelings right under the skin and whereas I used to try and hide them, I just let them out. By not trying to bury them or even truly understand them, I embrace them knowing the single most important lesson in my life, everything is temporary.

One thing I told Mike, the very first time we talked, is that I was not going to BS him with time heals all wounds and this will pass because I have found neither to be true and used to think there was something wrong with me. That just compounded the negative vibe I was feeling. I told him some of the feelings he's feeling right now will not go away. A sight, sound, smell, song can trigger the memory bank we try to control. But by staying aware of our feelings, recognizing them, allowing them and embracing them, we know this is only temporary and he can deal with that. And that's the part of self-healing that is critical. Healing just doesn't come with time.

I told myself yesterday morning that I was not coming here, I was already in a terrible mood, angry and playing the "why me card" after seeing a couple walking down the boulevard holding hands. Usually, that doesn't bother me but I had dreaded this day coming more this year than the previous several years and I do not know why.

But, I came here anyway and I am glad I did. I shared some of what I was feeling because I couldn't do that with my sons or sister-in-law and what did I get from my fellow Popsters? Birthday wishes for the love of my life, exactly what I needed and I didn't even know I needed that.....until I got it. I like CowboysZone but I love certain parts of this site and none better than Morning Pops and the folks that come there.

Jan, can't tell you it will ever get easier but I can tell you that others and myself will be here anytime you need us. This is the thread to come share our feelings, Pops seems like the kind of man that would have liked that in his thread.
 

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Thanks Jan, it is tough and people try to handle it in different ways. I am helping my bud through this as he lost his wife in November and is still struggling with it. And that has helped me with something.

It is easy to forget how we deal with events when we fall into the everyday trap thinking. By telling him what he's feeling, the anger, guilt and sorrow reminds me that I still feel those things and they can come on like a freight train sometimes but by reminding Mike, I hear the train whistle myself, recognize it for what it is and allow myself to ride it for a while. No guilt, no remorse, just ride it out and pretty soon I am jumping off. I don't know how many times I've told myself "whew, I must have needed that". Instead of beating myself up because I can't get past it.

My blessing and curse is that I filter through emotions, not logic, just like my Mom and the opposite of my Dad and that made him nuts. The curse is becoming too reactive and then sorry for that; the blessing is having my feelings right under the skin and whereas I used to try and hide them, I just let them out. By not trying to bury them or even truly understand them, I embrace them knowing the single most important lesson in my life, everything is temporary.

One thing I told Mike, the very first time we talked, is that I was not going to BS him with time heals all wounds and this will pass because I have found neither to be true and used to think there was something wrong with me. That just compounded the negative vibe I was feeling. I told him some of the feelings he's feeling right now will not go away. A sight, sound, smell, song can trigger the memory bank we try to control. But by staying aware of our feelings, recognizing them, allowing them and embracing them, we know this is only temporary and he can deal with that. And that's the part of self-healing that is critical. Healing just doesn't come with time.

I told myself yesterday morning that I was not coming here, I was already in a terrible mood, angry and playing the "why me card" after seeing a couple walking down the boulevard holding hands. Usually, that doesn't bother me but I had dreaded this day coming more this year than the previous several years and I do not know why.

But, I came here anyway and I am glad I did. I shared some of what I was feeling because I couldn't do that with my sons or sister-in-law and what did I get from my fellow Popsters? Birthday wishes for the love of my life, exactly what I needed and I didn't even know I needed that.....until I got it. I like CowboysZone but I love certain parts of this site and none better than Morning Pops and the folks that come there.

Jan, can't tell you it will ever get easier but I can tell you that others and myself will be here anytime you need us. This is the thread to come share our feelings, Pops seems like the kind of man that would have liked that in his thread.
You sound like a wonderful friend to Mike and he will grow to appreciate you more than he does now, over time. For now, yes, as you said you have to embrace it. I find it's not dreading remembering, but rather forgetting and losing the memories, good and bad. It's a part of who we are.
 

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You sound like a wonderful friend to Mike and he will grow to appreciate you more than he does now, over time. For now, yes, as you said you have to embrace it. I find it's not dreading remembering, but rather forgetting and losing the memories, good and bad. It's a part of who we are.
I do know the brain has a self protect power to it about forgetting those memories we need to lose. The hardest part of this, initially, was how quickly my wife went downhill and how she looked the last 6 days, the hospice days. That haunted me for several years but one day, it changed to me remembering her and seeing her in my mind's eye as beautiful as she'd always been prior to that. Now, thankfully, I cannot recall that horrible part of it but Mike is still there in that moment.

And it is not time that causes that to change, it is forgiving ourselves and letting the guilt go. I was punishing myself because I felt I deserved it. I didn't appreciate her enough and she was full of life and loving and I honestly didn't care if I drew another breath, I should have been the one. And he feels the exact same way. But, he feels better about how he's feeling knowing someone else has felt that and is willing to share the pain. And that is healing to me being able to share that with him.
 

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I do know the brain has a self protect power to it about forgetting those memories we need to lose. The hardest part of this, initially, was how quickly my wife went downhill and how she looked the last 6 days, the hospice days. That haunted me for several years but one day, it changed to me remembering her and seeing her in my mind's eye as beautiful as she'd always been prior to that. Now, thankfully, I cannot recall that horrible part of it but Mike is still there in that moment.

And it is not time that causes that to change, it is forgiving ourselves and letting the guilt go. I was punishing myself because I felt I deserved it. I didn't appreciate her enough and she was full of life and loving and I honestly didn't care if I drew another breath, I should have been the one. And he feels the exact same way. But, he feels better about how he's feeling knowing someone else has felt that and is willing to share the pain. And that is healing to me being able to share that with him.
I think Mike might feel like he'd be betraying his wife by picking and choosing what he wants to remember. Maybe he needs to know that's not the case. I'm quite certain she'd want him to only remember the good.
 

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I do know the brain has a self protect power to it about forgetting those memories we need to lose. The hardest part of this, initially, was how quickly my wife went downhill and how she looked the last 6 days, the hospice days. That haunted me for several years but one day, it changed to me remembering her and seeing her in my mind's eye as beautiful as she'd always been prior to that. Now, thankfully, I cannot recall that horrible part of it but Mike is still there in that moment.

And it is not time that causes that to change, it is forgiving ourselves and letting the guilt go. I was punishing myself because I felt I deserved it. I didn't appreciate her enough and she was full of life and loving and I honestly didn't care if I drew another breath, I should have been the one. And he feels the exact same way. But, he feels better about how he's feeling knowing someone else has felt that and is willing to share the pain. And that is healing to me being able to share that with him.
I guess I'm still stuck in the 'last days' to a degree. Hospice is horrible. I remember being told we had about six months and he was gone in 2 weeks. I'm angry with him still to a degree for not caring more about himself and thus, to a degree those around him that seemed to care more than he did. After all, I fought cancer and beat it for me, for us, for him, for my family...only to have to face that end with him. Putting it in writing now sounds very selfish of me...:oops:. :huh: Time to reevaluate.
 

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I think Mike might feel like he'd be betraying his wife by picking and choosing what he wants to remember. Maybe he needs to know that's not the case. I'm quite certain she'd want him to only remember the good.
Yes, she would but there is the additional element of how she looked at the end that has to be dealt with before he can select anything and he's still struggling with that. One just never thinks they're going to see someone they love look like that. It is a real living horror. The crematorium called and asked me how tall my wife was, because I refused to identify her remains, because they couldn't match her photo. That phone call replayed in my head more times that I can remember.

His major hurdle right now is getting past this "I should be better by now" thinking. When he's never been through anything like it and he had one added element to his pain that I did not have. His wife was diagnosed as cancer free, she had beaten it and they took a trip to celebrate and I was celebrating right along with them as I do every survivor but to beat it out of her body, that's even better. Then, a couple of months pass and they think she has kidney stones and they discover not only is it back but has metastasized and is in four different parts of her body and she is now in that Twilight Zone of cancer "treatable but incurable"....terminal.

Had I had that element of this added to what we went through, I am not sure I could have handled it and would have gone through with my original plan, follow right behind her. But that was a selfish plan and would have only been self serving and Mike is aware of my original plan. I told him after my wife passed and reminded him of that just in case that might have entered his mind and the "easy way out". And it had, he wanted the pain to stop, the visions to stop coming and to just stop thinking. But, we've talked through that and he's got two daughters, a grandson and his dog to take care of and take care of him.
 

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I guess I'm still stuck in the 'last days' to a degree. Hospice is horrible. I remember being told we had about six months and he was gone in 2 weeks. I'm angry with him still to a degree for not caring more about himself and thus, to a degree those around him that seemed to care more than he did. After all, I fought cancer and beat it for me, for us, for him, for my family...only to have to face that end with him. Putting it in writing now sounds very selfish of me...:oops:. :huh: Time to reevaluate.
Not selfish Jan, human. Don't beat yourself up for very human feelings.

I'll tell you something, I am more like your guy than my wife or you. I would not have fought the way she did and endured the living hell of the last 90 days. She was on 80mgs of OxyContin a day and Oxycodone for break though pain and I watched them take 10.5 liters of fluid out of her abdominal area after taking 7 liters 3 weeks prior. She had the means to the end right on her nightstand, just chew up some Oxy's and go to sleep, she knows she's not going to make it anyway. Who could or would have blamed her? She would have. That's the route I would have taken, just naming my own time.

So, my friend, do not feel bad about those feelings. Just like I don't feel bad at being mad at God. Yes, it's in His own time and people are just on loan to us but I don't have to like it and I've let Him know that. I think He can handle the blame since He's been getting so much of it for so long.
 

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Yes, she would but there is the additional element of how she looked at the end that has to be dealt with before he can select anything and he's still struggling with that. One just never thinks they're going to see someone they love look like that. It is a real living horror. The crematorium called and asked me how tall my wife was, because I refused to identify her remains, because they couldn't match her photo. That phone call replayed in my head more times that I can remember.

His major hurdle right now is getting past this "I should be better by now" thinking. When he's never been through anything like it and he had one added element to his pain that I did not have. His wife was diagnosed as cancer free, she had beaten it and they took a trip to celebrate and I was celebrating right along with them as I do every survivor but to beat it out of her body, that's even better. Then, a couple of months pass and they think she has kidney stones and they discover not only is it back but has metastasized and is in four different parts of her body and she is now in that Twilight Zone of cancer "treatable but incurable"....terminal.

Had I had that element of this added to what we went through, I am not sure I could have handled it and would have gone through with my original plan, follow right behind her. But that was a selfish plan and would have only been self serving and Mike is aware of my original plan. I told him after my wife passed and reminded him of that just in case that might have entered his mind and the "easy way out". And it had, he wanted the pain to stop, the visions to stop coming and to just stop thinking. But, we've talked through that and he's got two daughters, a grandson and his dog to take care of and take care of him.
I honestly have no experience to compare with either of you, so I trust that you have a much better handle on what he's going through than I ever could, or want to have.

I just think it would be my personal reflex to try to be "fair" to her memory, and feel that trying to forget how she was at the end would be trying to forget part of her, and I think it would take someone other than myself to give me permission to let the bad memories go. But that may be just my own demons.

As for the selfish solution, you're right, that's exactly what it is, and knowing that is the only thing that keeps some people going.
 

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I honestly have no experience to compare with either of you, so I trust that you have a much better handle on what he's going through than I ever could, or want to have.

I just think it would be my personal reflex to try to be "fair" to her memory, and feel that trying to forget how she was at the end would be trying to forget part of her, and I think it would take someone other than myself to give me permission to let the bad memories go. But that may be just my own demons.

As for the selfish solution, you're right, that's exactly what it is, and knowing that is the only thing that keeps some people going.
The parallels between both of our situations are really odd. He will mention to me a feeling or thought he had and I will have had that as well and never would have thought about it had I not.

He knows my situation was exacerbated by losing my Dad 16 months prior to losing my wife and them my Mom 5 years later. I was kind of a goose in a snowstorm prior to those losses and thought nothing could stick to me. Nothing like real life coming to visit for a wake up call.

You can talk to a lot of people, as both Mike and I have, but when you talk to someone that's gone through that same ordeal, it's different. It's different for me and I lost mine almost 8 years before Mike lost his and his fear was bringing up all I had buried but that's part of it. It's never really buried, it hangs back there just waiting for a trigger.

The thing about it is at some point I felt I had taken charge, I could select the memories, especially the ones to do battle with the bad ones. But that was a long time coming, I had to get past self punishment first.
 
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