Morris Claiborne says he feels great, ready to "make history" in 2014

[Galian Beast]

Right, the highest graded prospect at the position since Deion. That includes a lot of good quality cornerbacks since.

Direct from the leadership of this organization:





And all of those qualities show that our evaluation of him coming out was a massive miss. I also have a hard time thinking of many "finesse" corners who excel in man coverage either. If you cannot be physical and have the right mentality, you will fail in this league. Scandrick does not possess nearly the physical gifts that Claiborne has but his mental framework is what makes him a better player.

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I'm not giving the organization a pass.

 

[Proximo]

Haha I don't get why you think that's dramatic. He sucks. It's a simple matter of fact. No drama about it.

The kid has played a grand total of 2 seasons. Calling him "Allan Ball 2.0" and declaring him one of Jerry's worst draft decisions ever is a bit dramatic at this point. You're pouring it on a bit thick, is what I'm eluding to.

Perhaps it would be more reasonable to see how his career actually plays out first.

 

[LatinMind]

Webb was a fourth round player from a small school who played as a fourth CB in his rookie season most of the time.

So it makes more sense to direct scorn to that player than another that was a top ten pick who also cost a premium choice to acquire and has barely contributed in two years?

I guess it makes people feel better to rant about the underachieving bottom of the roster than to hold players that should by all reasonable expectations be performing at a decent level.

Im glad the internet wasnt around when flo first got in the league. Because you probably wouldve made the same comment. Or Irvins first yrs in the NFL. Premium picks. Sometimes players just take time. And in his first yr he was average as a rookie. So was Patrick Peterson as a rookie. His second yr Dallas went from being a a bump and run man to man defense to a zone. struggled early but in that broncos game just something switched on. Got hurt and came back and was decent but injuries limited him. But wasnt bad. He hasnt lived up to where he was drafted for the team, but this team hasnt done any of the secondary any favors with a bad DL.

I guess people feel better to rant about underacheiving premium picked CBs and totally dismiss the fact that this team has left its secondary out to dry with no passrush. Revis and Sherman could be on this defense and get picked apart because of no passrush.

 

[jday]

History or his story?

 

[Frozen700]

Yeah ok MO, just show us

 

[Alexander]

I guess people feel better to rant about underacheiving premium picked CBs and totally dismiss the fact that this team has left its secondary out to dry with no passrush. Revis and Sherman could be on this defense and get picked apart because of no passrush.

Quite the opposite. The difference is I probably would not have evaluated a CB highly enough to justify giving up what we gave up to draft him.

I value the pass rush twice as much as having "shutdown" corners. I can count on one hand and still have fingers to spare those fitting that definition that have even played in the last ten years.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

You need to look up the meaning of universal. Dez did not receive that.

The Dez pick was more "universally" praised than the Claiborne pick.

 

[Proximo]

If he can walk back in and take his starting job back, then the "hate" should go away.

If he cannot, every last bit of it is well deserved. It is absolutely not too much to expect a first round CB chosen in the top ten be a solid legitimate starter.

I guess it is just what the cool real fans do, defend the underachievers who get all the "hate".

Okay. Couple of things here.

First, I never defended his underachieving play. I clearly stated that his 1st two seasons have been very unsensational, especially for the #6 overall pick. At no time did I give him a pass for his play on the field.

Secondly, I strongly disagree with the statement that "if he can walk in and take his starting job back, then the hate should go away". We both know that it's going to take A LOT more than that to make the hate go away.

And that's really what the point of my initial post was. As evidenced by my statement "even if Mo has a very very good 2014 season by normal standards, he'll still get dumped on around these parts". If you think otherwise, so be it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Claiborne was ranked the 5th best prospect in 2012 by NFLdraftscout. Snark about post draft hype from 2012 is great but it is not as if he was not one of the elite prospects coming out that year. He has been a disappointment sure but he was and still is for that matter an excellent prospect.

The defense will go as well as guys like him, Carter, Holloman, Lee, Bass, Crawford, Johnson, Wilcox, and Durant go. I can feel the hope and goodwill of Cowboys Nation.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Dez pick was more "universally" praised than the Claiborne pick.

There was a narrative about him being a character risk that was in effect from the time that he was drafted and reached a crescendo when he decided to throttle his mother a little under two years ago. His play since then has silenced much of that but he was not universally supported at all for much of his time here.

 

[Bleu Star]

Morris Claiborne says he feels great, ready to "make history" in 2014

Hollow words without action.

 

[Alexander]

Secondly, I strongly disagree with the statement that "if he can walk in and take his starting job back, then the hate should go away". We both know that it's going to take A LOT more than that to make the hate go away.

Especially when the "hate" is overplayed and made out to be some epic unwavering witch hunt against some poor wretched player who just does not deserve it, gosh darn it.

I will be honest with you, about the only time I even think about Claiborne is when he is mentioned. Half the time, I do not even think about him or how what he does will make this defense better. We have played quite a few football games without him.

 

[LatinMind]

Quite the opposite. The difference is I probably would not have evaluated a CB highly enough to justify giving up what we gave up to draft him.

I value the pass rush twice as much as having "shutdown" corners. I can count on one hand and still have fingers to spare those fitting that definition that have even played in the last ten years.

Actually trade wise Dallas won that trade. it shouldve been a 1,2 and 4. In 2012 when Dallas played a 3-4 Cox or Brockers, DE's arent passrushers. And Probably dont fit in the Tampa2. So its real fun to sit behind a computer and have hindsight on Cowboy decisions. But at the point Scandrick was a lost cause, Jenkins was IDK what was wrong with him, but they needed a CB. So they Got Carr and Claiborne, two aggressive man on man guys to play the defense they were playing at the time.

this was his draft report

STRENGTHS
Claiborne is an aggressive cover man who likes to use his tall frame and long arms to get in receivers' faces, shock them at the line of scrimmage and disrupt their timing. When he punches, he makes his presence felt. He can run with his back to the ball at the receiver's hip using a press/bail technique and looks natural running with his man in-phase while still keeping an eye on the ball. Claiborne is such a gifted athlete with uncommon body control that he runs with his man fluidly up and down the field and still be able to break off at any time and get involved in plays coming across him. As a zone defender, he is simply an explosive athlete with length and can keep plays in front of him and react quick enough to meet the man at the ball. He is physical in run support and will have no problem coming up to tackle from the edge.
WEAKNESSES
Claiborne can sometimes be lazy with his technique. Working in off-man coverage, he has a tendency to get his pad level high in his backpedal, diluting the explosiveness that makes him so effective out of his breaks.


This was the thinking of alot of teams. You have a need you go and get it. Especially when you Demarcus Ware and Anthony spencer as your passrush in 2012. But i forgot this is all in your hindsight.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

There was a narrative about him being a character risk that was in effect from the time that he was drafted and reached a crescendo when he decided to throttle his mother a little under two years ago. His play since then has silenced much of that but he was not universally supported at all for much of his time here.

I don't care about all that. We are talking about how experts rated draft picks when they were selected, and when Dez was drafted, he was pretty universally regarded as a steal.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Yeah, I think he has already made history - as one of the worst draft decisions Jerry has ever made. That's saying something.

Plot twist:

You're actually Terrance Mitchell.

 

[BAZ]

The Dez pick was more "universally" praised than the Claiborne pick.

No way, Claibourne was called the best defensive player in the draft by some. Dez had character issues. Lot of people came down hard on Jerry for the Bryant pick.

 

[Alexander]

This was the thinking of alot of teams. You have a need you go and get it. Especially when you Demarcus Ware and Anthony spencer as your passrush in 2012. But i forgot this is all in your hindsight.

So the need was so strong that we did it right after giving Carr one of the more iron clad guaranteed contracts in existence? That alone is about as big of a flub as anything else. They were hell bent on getting Ryan his cornerbacks and were not going to stop until they thought they killed the position. Cap health and depth across the roster were secondary concerns.

 

[casmith07]

Claiborne sucks! Carr sucks! This team sucks! #zone

 

[RS12]

Three year rule does not apply just yet. USUALLY however the biggest improvement for a player happens between year one and two. That didnt happen in his case.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

No way, Claibourne was called the best defensive player in the draft by some. Dez had character issues. Lot of people came down hard on Jerry for the Bryant pick.

Link? Because this sounds like revisionist history. For example: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13264107