Mr JERRY JONES--The greatest NFL owner of all-time!

[VA Cowboy]

No More Posts From You Dumb Homers.

Where Have All The Smart Fans Gone?

Can Someone Smart Please Tell Me Who Is A Better Owner?

While You're At It, Can You Tell Me Which Owner You Would Have Rather Had These Past 19 Years?

See, you ask the wrong questions. It's not about the owner, it's about the GM. The first five years, Jerry was a great owner, because even though he had the GM title, all he basically did was sign off on the decisions Jimmy and the scouts made.

But in the last 14 years, I'd rather have had about any owner other than Snyder, Davis, Bidwell, Ford or Brown

 

[zrinkill]

I know what Jimmy did in Dallas while Jerry was watching and trying to learn.

Thats why he was such a success in Miami ....... right?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Let's see, out of the teams who have been in the league at least 10 years, only the Cowboys and Lions have failed to win a playoff game during that time.

Yep...thank God we have Jerry.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Thats why he was such a success in Miami ....... right?

What does Miami have to do with what he did the first five years he was in Dallas?

There are many reasons he didn't duplicate the same success there, none of which include not having Jerry as his GM.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Let's see, out of the teams who have been in the league at least 10 years, only the Cowboys and Lions have failed to win a playoff game during that time.

Yep...thank God we have Jerry.

You talking about the last 10 years? If so that isn't true.

 

[zrinkill]

What does Miami have to do with what he did the first five years he was in Dallas?

There are many reasons he didn't duplicate the same success their, none of which include not having Jerry as his GM.

So you allow him many reasons to explain his failures ....

But with Jerry its only because he no longer has Jimmy .......



You truly are delusional buddy.

 

[VA Cowboy]

So you allow him many reasons to explain his failures ....

But with Jerry its only because he no longer has Jimmy .......



You truly are delusional buddy.

Where did I ever say we failed only because we didn't have Jimmy?

I've said many times the problem wasn't Jimmy leaving, the problem was Jerry not replacing Jimmy with a quality HC and a quality GM.

 

[VA Cowboy]

You truly are delusional buddy.

Wow.

This coming from the guy who thinks the only reason Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami was because Jerry wasn't there?

...just wow.

 

[sonnyboy]

Another person who fails to distinguish between the owner and the GM.

This has been gone over so many times the last 10 years, you'd think people would grasp it by now.

Let me give you a brief synopsis of your favorite teams recent history.

Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys in 1989 and named himself GM.

He has not named anyone else GM in 19 years.

He has had good/great football people like Johnson (5 years) Parcells (4 years) work for him and he has had average/poor football people work for him like Switzer (4 years), Gailey (2 years) and Campo ( 3 years).

Praise him for the good and bash him for the bad.

Jones has never operated as a true GM. He's never been one too watch much film and form very strong opinions on personel.
He has always left that to the scouts and coaches.
On draft day he does have a strong say on who we are going to draft.
However, that opinion has always been based on what the coaches and scouts have told him.

When we have had good coaches and scouts, we drafted well. When we had poor coaches and scouts we didn't draft well.

I do believe Jones was slightly more involved when his confidence in these people was low and deferred when confidence was high.

If you believe he made all or even most of our draft selections from 1994-2002, you are misinformed.
Those drafts belong to Lacewell.

Jerry's single biggest mistake in his Cowboy tenure was hiring Lacewell.
Lacewell was a close personel friend which made firing him difficult for Jerry.


YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN ME AN OWNER YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE!

 

[zrinkill]

Wow.

This coming from the guy who thinks the only reason Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami was because Jerry wasn't there?

...just wow.

Yes ...... If Jimmy would have had a partner like Jerry in Miami ..... they would have duplicated the success they had here.

4 years prior to Jimmy Miami had records of 11-5, 9-7, 10-6, 9-7,
during Jimmys run in Miami they had 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 9-7

4 years prior to jimmy quiting the boys record 7-9, 11-5, 13-3,12-4
4 years after jimmy left we had 12-4, 12-4, 10-6, 6-10

both teams stayed about the same and neither improved with there new coaches .....

The dynamic between Jimmy and Jerry is what made this place special .... neither has been able to duplicate the same success without the other.

 

[sonnyboy]

See, you ask the wrong questions. It's not about the owner, it's about the GM. The first five years, Jerry was a great owner, because even though he had the GM title, all he basically did was sign off on the decisions Jimmy and the scouts made.

But in the last 14 years, I'd rather have had about any owner other than Snyder, Davis, Bidwell, Ford or Brown

NEGATIVE TO THE END.
WILL YOU'RE LAST BREATH WILL BE USED TO SAY EF U?

I LOVE THE WAY YOU QUALIFY THAT. OK LETS JUST FORGET ABOUT THOSE FIRST 5 YEARS AND THREE SUPERBOWLS.
Why don't you just tell me how you'd like a different owner during the 9 years or so we didn't make the playoffs.

WHO DO YOU WANT? WHO IS GOOD?
WHO IS BETTER THAN JONES?

 

[zrinkill]

Let me give you a brief synopsis of your favorite teams recent history.

Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys in 1989 and named himself GM.

He has not named anyone else GM in 19 years.

He has had good/great football people like Johnson (5 years) Parcells (4 years) work for him and he has had average/poor football people work for him like Switzer (4 years), Gailey (2 years) and Campo ( 3 years).

Praise him for the good and bash him for the bad.

Jones has never operated as a true GM. He's never been one too watch much film and form very strong opinions on personel.
He has always left that to the scouts and coaches.
On draft day he does have a strong say on who we are going to draft.
However, that opinion has always been based on what the coaches and scouts have told him.

When we have had good coaches and scouts, we drafted well. When we had poor coaches and scouts we didn't draft well.

I do believe Jones was slightly more involved when his confidence in these people was low and deferred when confidence was high.

If you believe he made all or even most of our draft selections from 1994-2002, you are misinformed.
Those drafts belong to Lacewell.

Jerry's single biggest mistake in his Cowboy tenure was hiring Lacewell.
Lacewell was a close personel friend which made firing him difficult for Jerry.


YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN ME AN OWNER YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE!

Great post man

 

[sonnyboy]

I've got to leave for a while. Parting thought.

I sometimes get the feeling that the Jones haters really just hate wealthy successful people.

Jones is a self made multi-millionaire. He had his salad days.
Don't hate the man because he was talented/lucky enough to make a fortune.

Personally I have a bigger problem with a guy like Lamar Hunt.
Good man, real piller of the community.
However, he was the very definition of a trust fund baby.
Never worked a day or wanted for anything in life.
Yet he gets more respect than Jones. What a joke.

I want my teams owner involved.
I want my teams owner to have Jones' work ethic.

I don't want some detached owner who will simply fire his Coach/GM every 4-5 years because he hasn't won.
Only to replace him with another Coach/GM who probably wont win because the owner never was involved enough to know why the guy he fired didn't win or what it takes to win!

 

[AtlCB]

What does Miami have to do with what he did the first five years he was in Dallas?

There are many reasons he didn't duplicate the same success there, none of which include not having Jerry as his GM.

You could make the same argument for Jerry Jones.

 

[AtlCB]

I know what Jimmy did in Dallas while Jerry was watching and trying to learn.

Is this a fact or your opinion? Both Jerry and Jimmy had a steep learning curve when they entered into the NFL. They made some very good decisions and some shrewd trades that teams will no longer fall for. The team had a ton of draft picks and hit on a lot of them.

You can say that it was one or the other making all of the decisions, but that opinion doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The fact that neither have been able to enjoy much success since the split.

Jimmy's performance in Miami is relevant. If Jimmy made all of these decisions by himself, why was he unable to duplicate the same success in Miami?

 

[zrinkill]

If Jimmy made all of these decisions by himself, why was he unable to duplicate the same success in Miami?

I have been asking him this for weeks .......

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jerry Jones purchased the Cowboys in 1989 and named himself GM.

He has not named anyone else GM in 19 years.

He has had good/great football people like Johnson (5 years) Parcells (4 years) work for him and he has had average/poor football people work for him like Switzer (4 years), Gailey (2 years) and Campo ( 3 years).

Praise him for the good and bash him for the bad.

....I do believe Jones was slightly more involved when his confidence in these people was low and deferred when confidence was high.

I have consistently credited Jerry for hiring Jimmy and Parcells and allowing them to have the utmost power and authority over their staffs and personnel.

And it's not just a coincidence that he was involved more in the post Jimmy days. He intentionally hired coaches after Jimmy that were just happy to have an NFL HC positon and didn't demand any power or authority. With Jimmy getting most of the credit for the SB wins, he wanted to be the main face of the organization and the person in charge who would get the credit for any success.

That is what I fault him for. It was only after failing repeatedly and failing to the basement did he finally give in and bring in a dominant personality and proven HC with the hiring of Parcells.

All I ask is that he do all he can to help the team win. Hiring guys like Switzer, Gailey and Campo and not giving them authority even over their own staffs, and then being the main decision-maker in personnel is not doing all you can to win.

And I'm fully aware that he relied on Lacewell and the scouts from '94-02. But I'm also fully aware that with the high-profile picks, which included much of the first day selections, Jerry could and would fall in love with certain prospects and even over-ride the decisions of the scouts. Quincy, for one is the prime example. And, as poor as the drafts were for many years, if he did rely fully on Lacewell, then he should've gotten rid of him long before he eventually left. And I just hope to God that the rumors Lacewell is coming back is strictly just unfounded rumors.

Bottomline is he would get zero flack if he brought in good HC's and gave them the proper power and authority to do their jobs and had a good personnel man who he relied on. The last four years is a prime example. I fully applaud Jerry for finally bringing back a quality proven HC and giving him extreme power and authority. The fact it didn't work out as well as we'd like isn't for a lack of trying. You can't say that for the previous years after Jimmy left.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN ME AN OWNER YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE!

I guess you didn't pay attention to my earlier post. I said since '94 I would take about any other owner other than Snyder, Davis, Brown, Bidwell or Ford.

 

[VA Cowboy]

NEGATIVE TO THE END.
WILL YOU'RE LAST BREATH WILL BE USED TO SAY EF U?

What are you talking about? Just because you don't like the answer isn't my problem. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I LOVE THE WAY YOU QUALIFY THAT. OK LETS JUST FORGET ABOUT THOSE FIRST 5 YEARS AND THREE SUPERBOWLS.
Why don't you just tell me how you'd like a different owner during the 9 years or so we didn't make the playoffs.

WHO DO YOU WANT? WHO IS GOOD?
WHO IS BETTER THAN JONES?

The first five years and three Super Bowls were due in large part because we had a quality coach in here who was also the primary acting GM. The first five years Jerry spent most of his time getting the organization financially sound while the football guys built a dynasty on the field.

The fact is that Jimmy and Parcells had more authority and power than any of the other three HC's we had.

Jerry didn't know squat when he first bought the team. I even heard him in interviews talk about how he watch and tried to learn from Jimmy in those early years. After we won back to back Super Bowls Jerry apparently got jealous over Jimmy getting all the credit and he felt he had learned enough by that point that he could do it just as well.

Hence three straight HC's who never had an NFL HC job before coming to Dallas and have yet to have another since leaving. Jerry was out to prove he could win with any of 500 coaches and he wanted the spotlight on himself. He was able to get one more SB win with the team largely left over that Jimmy built, but after that it crashed and burned and it took Jerry tucking his tail and bringing in BP to try and turn things around.

Sorry if you cant' handle the truth.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jimmy's performance in Miami is relevant. If Jimmy made all of these decisions by himself, why was he unable to duplicate the same success in Miami?

I don't think Jimmy made all the decisions by himself. I know he had a great staff that he assembled and I know we had great scouts back then.

I also know we had a slew of draft picks and we were able to hit on about half of them, which when you practically doubled your draft picks, meant you practically hit on a guy per round.

I think you'll have a hard time trying to say Jerry was the primary decision-maker the first five years. I think even he would dispute that. I know he had the GM title, but that mainly consisted of rubberstamping the decisions Jimmy and the scouts made.

The pont is that it isn't about Jimmy doing it himself, it's that Jerry wasn't the primary decision maker.

 

[zrinkill]

Wow ..... thats a bunch of agenda driven speculation right there.

Fact ...... Jerry has been the GM since he bought the team.
Fact ...... Jimmy was not able to Win a Superbowl after he left Dallas.
Fact ......the Dallas Cowboys won a Superbowl after Jimmy left.
Fact ...... the Decline of health of the 90's super team is what has caused our downfall for the last 10 years .....

Sorry if some people cannot handle the truth.