Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[stuckindc]

Yeah I mean I think this team needed Garrett after Wade but Wade should’ve never been hired and Garrett as well. Our best chance to win a title was the 2010’s-23 and we wasted those years on Garrett for 9 of them.

The two worst things that could happen were the wins the team had when Wade was fired and the 2014 season as they both have Garrett life in Jerry’s eyes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The two worst things that could happen were the wins the team had when Wade was fired and the 2014 season as they both have Garrett life in Jerry’s eyes.

Yeah…unfortunately it bought him time.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Mutually? LOL. Where have I heard that before?


Of yeah, Jimmy Johnson.

 

[Pass2Run]

This is my biggest question. My feeling is, McCarthy may have thought to himself, if Moore can do it, I can do it. Or it was a last ditch effort to finally blame not having full control on the reasoning for not winning.

On the other hand, here is the argument. Sure, Jerry, I'm the head coach, but I don't have full control. Anyway, lol, I think that's what triggered Moore's firing. Someone had to pay for the "sick" feeling the Cowboys felt after that game. Nobody could be as good as them; in their minds, on any given Sunday. That's the problem with the Cowboys and their fans. They believe they are supposed to win; not that they have to earn the win.

Here's the scenario I dread, though. McCarthy challenging McClay for his role, and wanting full control, and Jerry bending to his demands. Say, if Mike wins a SB. McClay stays, though, I would hope. In my opinion, he's doing all the GM duties while everyone is blaming Jerry for having three 12 win seasons in a row. How's that for a terrible team?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jeff Saturday had less experience.

I look forward to you no longer posting.

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On January 20, 2017, Saturday was named the head coach of Hebron Christian Academy, in Dacula, Georgia.[17][18]

On February 14, 2020, Saturday resigned from the position of head coach at Hebron Christian. During his time there he was 20–16 making the playoffs every year while winning three playoff games including one state quarterfinals appearance in 2019.[19]

 

[GINeric]

Nor was he capable of making adjustments to what defenses would run against us. He’s a high school coach, at best

I've BEEN saying that. I said KM is a good junior college offensive coordinator at BEST. I'll give him that much.

 

[plasticman]

JG was the worst thing Jerry has ever done and it's not close..thats saying something there.

The worse thing?

I could give you a list.

This is going to take some time so I'll have to get back with you......lol....the worse thing.....

 

[CCBoy]

The worse thing?

I could give you a list.

This is going to take some time so I'll have to get back with you......lol....the worse thing.....

Let me see, I once took a very small nail cleaning pocket knife into AT&T Stadium...Jerry? As a wildcatter did he allow oil to run off on a stream and create a health hazard?

 

[Diehardblues]

And Tom Landry had Roger Staubach, and not much success without him. Bill Belicheck had Tom Brady, and not much success without him. Jimmy Johnson had Troy Aikman, and not much success with him, and the Cowboys and Aikman went on to win a Super Bowl without Johnson.

I can't diminish a Super Bowl coach for who he had at QB, because there are very few that have won with scrubs at the position.

I wouldn’t say those HC’s didn’t have much success without their HOF QB. I’d say they didn’t have as much success.

Landry is only HC to take 4 different QB’s to a championship game . And took 2 to a Super Bowl and another to NFL title game.

The bigger point is no HC has ever won a SB with another team but they still had some level of success. Belicheat got the Browns finally back in the playoffs before they announced we’re moving and folding up. Jimmy also go Miami back in the playoffs .

 

[Diehardblues]

Moore had tendencies, which better DCs figured out and negated and neutralized. He excelled against lesser defenses and people attributed that to Dak not exceling against better defenses. perhaps a bit of both. you can't exonerate Moore. he was very frustrating and predictable at times. there were times it seemed like he didn't have a plan. just calling plays to see what works. not unusual from a first time OC who got to the position after one year of coaching experience anywhere. including no college coaching. one year of QB coaching. he was over his head. by the 4th year, he was better, but still getting schooled at some very simple stuff. when my boys and I would watch some of the games and could call out the play, that should tell you. I am by no means an NFL expert.

Was Dak more productive before or after Moore took over OC?

And why it’s going to be interesting to see how he does with McCarthy. Will it be better or worse. Made for TV high drama.

 

[plasticman]

Let me see, I once took a very small nail cleaning pocket knife into AT&T Stadium...Jerry? As a wildcatter did he allow oil to run off on a stream and create a health hazard?

One word.......Campo.

 

[Diehardblues]

we shouold not even be in this drama. he should have never been promoted to OC and shoved onto MM. shows me Jerry didn't learn his lesson. he shoved Garrett on Wade. and did it again with Moore. both time backfired.

It’s still left to be seen if they uplifted Prescott or not.

Until we see how McCarthy’s offense and play-calling does with him it’s entirely possible they were optimizing Daks skills.

 

[CCBoy]

One word.......Campo.

True, Campo's two seasons Jerry was pure gun shy and needing to trust in a Head Coach not to set him up...

 

[Diehardblues]

2014 was far from ever after the catch no catch. 4 plus minutes and Aaron.

Yes but you wouldn’t argue that was one of our best chances to make championship game this era ?

It was Romo’s most effective season finishing basically Runner Up for MVP. Arguably as close to a championship caliber offense as we’ve had this era. And our defense was average which was a big improvement.

 

[GINeric]

Was Dak more productive before or after Moore took over OC?

And why it’s going to be interesting to see how he does with McCarthy. Will it be better or worse. Made for TV high drama.

Put it this way. Moore's play calling haven't won a damn thing. McCarthy's play calling won a Superbowl.

End of story....

 

[Diehardblues]

Put it this way. Moore's play calling haven't won a damn thing. McCarthy's play calling won a Superbowl.

End of story....

Dak hasn’t won a damn thing . Unfortunately we don’t have Rodgers or I’d agree.

Since when do we look around the league and blame or give credit to OC or play callers for winning championships instead of QB’s ?

 

[stuckindc]

Yes but you wouldn’t argue that was one of our best chances to make championship game this era ?

It was Romo’s most effective season finishing basically Runner Up for MVP. Arguably as close to a championship caliber offense as we’ve had this era. And our defense was average which was a big improvement.

100% agree We we’re built to take on anyone With that line we could run and control the clock

 

[doomsday9084]

This is my biggest question. My feeling is, McCarthy may have thought to himself, if Moore can do it, I can do it. Or it was a last ditch effort to finally blame not having full control on the reasoning for not winning.

On the other hand, here is the argument. Sure, Jerry, I'm the head coach, but I don't have full control. Anyway, lol, I think that's what triggered Moore's firing. Someone had to pay for the "sick" feeling the Cowboys felt after that game. Nobody could be as good as them; in their minds, on any given Sunday. That's the problem with the Cowboys and their fans. They believe they are supposed to win; not that they have to earn the win.

Here's the scenario I dread, though. McCarthy challenging McClay for his role, and wanting full control, and Jerry bending to his demands. Say, if Mike wins a SB. McClay stays, though, I would hope. In my opinion, he's doing all the GM duties while everyone is blaming Jerry for having three 12 win seasons in a row. How's that for a terrible team?

IMO, Moore deserved to be fired. At least, there were real football reasons for it:
- The offensive scoring output was supercharged by the defensive takeaways. On a per drive basis, Dallas was middle of the pack. They just had a ton of points gifted to them by the defense with field position.
- The playcalling late in games was absurd at times.
- The run game was predictable at best. Simply that draw up the middle out of the gun. Frequently to Zeke on first down and it regularly set up 3 and outs after getting nothing.
- I'm no Dak fan but he spent the first part of his career as a low turnover guy. The high interceptions, and their negative impact on winning games, was largely Moore's predictable timing routes combined with him telling Dak to be overly aggressive.

I really don't see the need to come up with conspiracy theories. If Dallas runs the game out against Jacksonville and Green Bay, they go to the super bowl (IMO).

Will MM do a better job? Not sure but I think its worth finding out.

 

[GINeric]

Dak hasn’t won a damn thing . Unfortunately we don’t have Rodgers or I’d agree.

Since when do we look around the league and blame or give credit to OC or play callers for winning championships instead of QB’s ?

How many superbowls have Rodgers won without McCarthy?? I'll wait....


Until then, like I said. Moore is a junior college level coordinator at best and has won nothing. McCarthy's play calling has....

 

[Diehardblues]

How many superbowls have Rodgers won without McCarthy?? I'll wait....


Until then, like I said. Moore is a junior college level coordinator at best and has won nothing. McCarthy's play calling has....

None but he’s been to a couple championship games and might like his chances to get to another one before Prescott.

I’m not trying to say Garrett is greater. This is just your way to re-spin my argument since it didn’t sit well with you.

I’m saying it’s more about the talent than coaching.