Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[TheCritic]

Both sides will benefit. Dak belongs in a more balanced offense with more high-percentage plays. Kellen needs a more cerebral QB with better arm talent. Win-win scenario that really isn't all that controversial.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's a dead end for coaches because of the legacy left behind by Garrett. The Jones boys loved Garrett so much and made sure no other took his place, that it drove away the good coaches. Eberflus and Dave Campbell are succeeding elsewhere. This is a testament how the FO has failed these ex coaches from Dallas.

I give Mike his due because he has completely changed this team around in about 3 years. We have been in the playoffs two years in a row and we have the best coaching staff that we have ever assembled in over a decade. We may not be the top dog in the NFC. But we are up there in arguably in the top 3. I'm happy with what McCarthy has done here.

While id agree with some of this , in the end without more success in the playoffs it’s still more of the same results despite however much we like some of the improvements and difference which we will still be able to hold Jethro and Son accountable.

 

[Blitzen]

Is the NFL ever that cut and dry? Is it ever just ONE person who's the reason for success or one person who's the reason for failure?

Parcells was quoted as saying one person cannot win a game for the team, but one person can lose a game for the team. It’s not like the team was flawless in the game vs SF except one person. One person had the greatest impact (by far) in that loss and he wears number 4.

 

[Floatyworm]

Most likely it was a scapegoat move on Moore. Especially since he was picked up so quickly by the Chargers for their up and coming stud at QB.

It was a great move for Moore where his success there with a top 5 offense will escalate him much faster to a HC opportunity.

The Cowboys have proven this era to be more of a dead-end for coaches this era. It’s where their career ends or last stop for most of our HC and none of our asst coaches I recall have been promoted to HC on another team since Jimmy left.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Parcells was quoted as saying one person cannot win a game for the team, but one person can lose a game for the team. It’s not like the team was flawless in the game vs SF except one person. One person had the greatest impact (by far) in that loss and he wears number 4.

Parcells didn’t say that lol.

 

[jazzcat22]

We will just disagree on that, I saw him have plenty of problems with crossing routes, he threw behind them and started a tip drill.

It is one of the challenges when they don't have a 6'4" QB that can see over the line, he has to wait for a lane to match the throw.

Yes he has had issues with it. But he and Dez did not. Not sure why it worked that way. But it seems no matter who the OC. Once they found something that worked. They went away from it. With .Moore when it did not work he kept going back to it. Like it was going to eventually work.

I will not miss that at all.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes he has had issues with it. But he and Dez did not. Not sure why it worked that way. But it seems no matter who the OC. Once they found something that worked. They went away from it. With .Moore when it did not work he kept going back to it. Like it was going to eventually work.

I will not miss that at all.

Dez was a 50/50WR and would out fight the DB for the ball and he'd also go up for a ball.

Most WRs do not like going up on crossing routes as there is usually a S waiting for that and they prefer to run through the catch and keep heading down the field.

Romo got used to putting the ball on Witten because he'd use his body to keep the DB away but the faster WR's are a challenge because there is a lot of action in the middle of the field and tall DL to see over and around and they want the ball barely out in front of them so they do not have to extend for it.

 

[Haimerej]

I wonder if the "Moore is gone" euphoria will hold should the Chargers offense take off and the Cowboys struggle?

They've already started the apologetic. Getting fired will have been just what he needed to become successful. Only way they won't be able to chant that mantra will be if our guys take a significant step backwards.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Moving on from Moore was the best off-season move that we made. Moore is not intelligent enough to be a successful offensive coordinator at this level yet. Maybe he'll improve and become a great coordinator one day.


But I will NOT miss a coordinator like Moore who doesn't understand the flow of the game. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't stop running the ball. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't call pass plays or trick plays on 2nd, 3rd or 4th and goal or short.

When you have a lead on the opposing team.... you eat clock with runs and high percentage pass plays. Understand the flow of the game.

Kellen Moore wasn't intelligent enough to understand this. Again, I'm glad he's gone.

So you’re saying the game with the Chargers and their ignorant OC is a sure win?

 

[GINeric]

So you’re saying the game with the Chargers and their ignorant OC is a sure win?

If his mindset is the same as it has been in Dallas. He'll yeah its a sure win.

 

[GINeric]

Both sides will benefit. Dak belongs in a more balanced offense with more high-percentage plays. Kellen needs a more cerebral QB with better arm talent. Win-win scenario that really isn't all that controversial.

Dak needs a more cerebral coordinator than KM. Moore wasn't intelligent enough to understand the flow of the game and he wasn't intelligent enough to make the correct in-game adjustments.

KM would call pass plays on short yardage situations in games where our backs are gashing the defense for 5, 6 yards a pop. Moore would let up and start calling downfield pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 2 to go.


You do the math and tell me what was wrong with KM's football IQ.

 

[ConstantReboot]

While id agree with some of this , in the end without more success in the playoffs it’s still more of the same results despite however much we like some of the improvements and difference which we will still be able to hold Jethro and Son accountable.

Well McCarthy got us into the playoffs in his 2nd and 3rd year with 12 and 5 seasons. What did Garrett give us? 4 straight years of 8 and 8?

The book on McCarthy is yet to be written. I'm hopefully he can get us further into the playoffs than his previous attempts. But so far, he is miles better than what Garrett has given us.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well McCarthy got us into the playoffs in his 2nd and 3rd year with 12 and 5 seasons. What did Garrett give us? 4 straight years of 8 and 8?

The book on McCarthy is yet to be written. I'm hopefully he can get us further into the playoffs than his previous attempts. But so far, he is miles better than what Garrett has given us.

Again I’d agree with some. You’re correct the book isn’t complete. I’m hopeful as well. McCarthy obviously brings more experience and proven results coming in. Garrett was an experiment that ultimately didn’t pan out.

My bigger point though is what does it potentially say about our leadership if the results ultimately aren’t any better. And why to me although we all see some of the improvements the final judgement is still to be determined.

Garrett actually gave us playoff seasons where we came a catch that wasn’t from our first championship game this era and another very close divisional round loss to a miraculous 3rd and 20 we couldn’t stop. Those two teams were arguably as good or better without as good of defense than our last two playoff teams with McCarthy. The 2018 playoff team would be close. Those 3 playoff teams under Garrett IMO were our best run for a championship appearance this era with lone exception of 2007.

And for the record it was 3 straight not 4 8-8 seasons where we were arguably rebuilding while staying in the divisional or playoff race until the final week.

Garrett brought us better drafts which begin building an OL and dominating running game. Unfortunately we weren’t able to build the type of defense we have now with far too many misses and poor risk on defense in draft.

The bottomline is until McCarthy delivers more success in the playoffs Garrett still has the most playoff wins for a Cowboys HC since the 90’s glory years. Sad but true.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I said it when he got hired. I said for a few years after. no NFL OC gets to be good unless they pay their dues. Even McVay paid his dues and coached different positions before being promoted. you have to get promoted through the ranks. Moore as a Rookie OC got schooled several times. he was green. he made mistakes and he was learning on the job. 4 years in, he got better, but was making some of the same mistakes. he had tendencies. some of his tendecnies were learned from Garrett. he got cute often. he out smarted himself. some of his play calls and designs would telegraph the play. when defenders would sit 10 yards deep, not even back pedalling knowing its a 10 yard curl, it gives away how collegish you are in you play calling. when Lamb ran tight to the formation on the strong side 2 yards behind the line, I knew it was a run to the right. how often did he run WRs to the same area!!! frustrating.

he got cute when he didn't need to.....his offense will continue to produce against weaker opponents? why, its college offense. in College you need one or two NFL type players on your team to succeed. you bet your 3rd and 4th and 5th guy is better than your 3rd, 4th and 5th guy on defense. in the NFL, every is big, fast and smart. that's why he was often out smarted and schooled against better DC and coaches in the NFL. it was painfully obvious. I am glad he moved on. I wish him luck. eventually he may get it. but not the right time for us.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Most likely it was a scapegoat move on Moore. Especially since he was picked up so quickly by the Chargers for their up and coming stud at QB.

It was a great move for Moore where his success there with a top 5 offense will escalate him much faster to a HC opportunity.

The Cowboys have proven this era to be more of a dead-end for coaches this era. It’s where their career ends or last stop for most of our HC and none of our asst coaches I recall have been promoted to HC on another team since Jimmy left.

or perhaps a desparate move by chargers, whose coach is on the hot seat. I was never high on Moore. didn't want him. we got stuck with him. he made mistakes and learned on the job. good luck to moore.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That’s the beauty of this. We are going to find out who this was more about.

If Moore was a fraud he will be exposed . And we will see if McCarthy can make the improvement needed. Can’t ask for much more high drama than that.

Let’s hope our issues aren’t more about our QB.

I am sure he will produce against weaker teams. he will outsmart lesser DC with his collegish game designs and continue to be outsmarted against better DCs and be baited often.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yep you guys are right again. Moore couldn't carry dak in every game. We know dak can't carry the team so let's find somebody another OC who might figure out ways to carry dak better.

 

[Diehardblues]

I am sure he will produce against weaker teams. he will outsmart lesser DC with his collegish game designs and continue to be outsmarted against better DCs and be baited often.

Time will tell. I’m not making any predictions. I’m just excited about how this situation sets up for high drama.

 

[Diehardblues]

or perhaps a desparate move by chargers, whose coach is on the hot seat. I was never high on Moore. didn't want him. we got stuck with him. he made mistakes and learned on the job. good luck to moore.

It was Jethro’s dysfunctional ways which kept Moore here. Ultimately he became a scapegoat . Time will tell if he was more of the problem.

Or if it was his offense that enabled Dak to put up the big numbers and a top 5 offense.

Was it his play-calling or our QB’s and offense lack of execution against better defenses which led to our breakdowns. Again, this all sets up for high drama this season.

 

[stuckindc]

Moving on from Moore was the best off-season move that we made. Moore is not intelligent enough to be a successful offensive coordinator at this level yet. Maybe he'll improve and become a great coordinator one day.


But I will NOT miss a coordinator like Moore who doesn't understand the flow of the game. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't stop running the ball. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't call pass plays or trick plays on 2nd, 3rd or 4th and goal or short.

When you have a lead on the opposing team.... you eat clock with runs and high percentage pass plays. Understand the flow of the game.

Kellen Moore wasn't intelligent enough to understand this. Again, I'm glad he's gone.

Nor was he capable of making adjustments to what defenses would run against us. He’s a high school coach, at best