Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[stuckindc]

Imagine the possibility that Jason Garrett would have never coached this team or at least not as a head coach and Sean Payton could have took Romo the rest of the way??

If Parcells had just stayed for the 07 season. We could have seen Parcells vs Belichek for all the marbles. Instead we had clown show to waste a team that was primed for a deep playoff run.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Are people tired of Mahomes already? I think he's a great face for the NFL.

I'm not sure around the rest of the country but here, yea he isn't well liked among Chief haters at all.

The Chief fans put up with him because they are winning super bowls. His cocky attitude rubs many the wrong way.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The "problem" with the offense last year wasn't the OC. Go ahead and fire one of the most productive in the entire NFL if it makes you feel better.

Can't get rid of or fix the real problem. The ownership loves him too much.

 

[stuckindc]

Again I’d agree with some. You’re correct the book isn’t complete. I’m hopeful as well. McCarthy obviously brings more experience and proven results coming in. Garrett was an experiment that ultimately didn’t pan out.

My bigger point though is what does it potentially say about our leadership if the results ultimately aren’t any better. And why to me although we all see some of the improvements the final judgement is still to be determined.

Garrett actually gave us playoff seasons where we came a catch that wasn’t from our first championship game this era and another very close divisional round loss to a miraculous 3rd and 20 we couldn’t stop. Those two teams were arguably as good or better without as good of defense than our last two playoff teams with McCarthy. The 2018 playoff team would be close. Those 3 playoff teams under Garrett IMO were our best run for a championship appearance this era with lone exception of 2007.

And for the record it was 3 straight not 4 8-8 seasons where we were arguably rebuilding while staying in the divisional or playoff race until the final week.

Garrett brought us better drafts which begin building an OL and dominating running game. Unfortunately we weren’t able to build the type of defense we have now with far too many misses and poor risk on defense in draft.

The bottomline is until McCarthy delivers more success in the playoffs Garrett still has the most playoff wins for a Cowboys HC since the 90’s glory years. Sad but true.

2014 was far from ever after the catch no catch. 4 plus minutes and Aaron.

 

[Blitzen]

Parcells didn’t say that lol.

I tried finding the phrasing of the quote. I am paraphrasing. I found this one where he mentions his defensive attitude about playing San Francisco in the playoffs.

“I knew Tuesday that they were going to play well," Coach Bill Parcells said today. "When the defense goes in with that attitude, we could lose a game on an individual breakdown, but it's hard to sustain much against us."

He would constantly talk about team efforts winning games and individuals losing them. He wanted to make sure the team knew that they won games together and lost without complete buy in. But he had numerous quotes about one individual can lose a game. This was one. He was a perfectionist, and his message was clear. Lots of easy ways to lose games. He also said he liked QB’s that consistently found ways to get into the end zone. He said if you did not get there, he would not like you.

He would never publicly blame Dak if he was coaching because his job would be to improve Dak’s playoff performance behind closed doors. But he did believe one individual’s mistake could lose a game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Time will tell. I’m not making any predictions. I’m just excited about how this situation sets up for high drama.

we shouold not even be in this drama. he should have never been promoted to OC and shoved onto MM. shows me Jerry didn't learn his lesson. he shoved Garrett on Wade. and did it again with Moore. both time backfired.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It was Jethro’s dysfunctional ways which kept Moore here. Ultimately he became a scapegoat . Time will tell if he was more of the problem.

Or if it was his offense that enabled Dak to put up the big numbers and a top 5 offense.

Was it his play-calling or our QB’s and offense lack of execution against better defenses which led to our breakdowns. Again, this all sets up for high drama this season.

Moore had tendencies, which better DCs figured out and negated and neutralized. He excelled against lesser defenses and people attributed that to Dak not exceling against better defenses. perhaps a bit of both. you can't exonerate Moore. he was very frustrating and predictable at times. there were times it seemed like he didn't have a plan. just calling plays to see what works. not unusual from a first time OC who got to the position after one year of coaching experience anywhere. including no college coaching. one year of QB coaching. he was over his head. by the 4th year, he was better, but still getting schooled at some very simple stuff. when my boys and I would watch some of the games and could call out the play, that should tell you. I am by no means an NFL expert.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

yep you guys are right again. Moore couldn't carry dak in every game. We know dak can't carry the team so let's find somebody another OC who might figure out ways to carry dak better.

Moore. a first time OC. with all of one year of coachign experience? he couldn't carry a bucket of water. he couldn't carry anyone. big mistake to hire him. tell me any coach ever having one year of coaching experience anywhere, college or pro, getting a position like he did. one example and I will shut up.

 

[GMO415]

There are two people to blame for having the most INTs in the league. The QB and the OC. Someone had to go, and there's more OCs than 31 other starting QBs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I tried finding the phrasing of the quote. I am paraphrasing. I found this one where he mentions his defensive attitude about playing San Francisco in the playoffs.

“I knew Tuesday that they were going to play well," Coach Bill Parcells said today. "When the defense goes in with that attitude, we could lose a game on an individual breakdown, but it's hard to sustain much against us."

He would constantly talk about team efforts winning games and individuals losing them. He wanted to make sure the team knew that they won games together and lost without complete buy in. But he had numerous quotes about one individual can lose a game. This was one. He was a perfectionist, and his message was clear. Lots of easy ways to lose games. He also said he liked QB’s that consistently found ways to get into the end zone. He said if you did not get there, he would not like you.

He would never publicly blame Dak if he was coaching because his job would be to improve Dak’s playoff performance behind closed doors. But he did believe one individual’s mistake could lose a game.

Ok I get what you’re saying but that quote is completely different than saying one person can lose you the game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Probably would’ve had a similar career to Drew Brees.

JG was the worst thing Jerry has ever done and it's not close..thats saying something there.

 

[eromeopolk]

Most likely it was a scapegoat move on Moore. Especially since he was picked up so quickly by the Chargers for their up and coming stud at QB.

It was a great move for Moore where his success there with a top 5 offense will escalate him much faster to a HC opportunity.

The Cowboys have proven this era to be more of a dead-end for coaches this era. It’s where their career ends or last stop for most of our HC and none of our asst coaches I recall have been promoted to HC on another team since Jimmy left.

Jason Garrett was picked up quickly. Moore is just on hold as the next Jason Garrett or as Jerry said about Garrett "his Tom Landry".

It is sacrilege to use Garrett, Moore and the Great Tom Landry in the comparison sentence. That shows you what Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is for Dallas Cowboy fans.

Mike Zimmer, Tony Sparano, Sean Payton (he has a nice coaching tree developing), Todd Bowles, Dave Campo The Clown, Les Miles, Maurice Carthon, Anthony Lynn, Todd Haley, Paul Pasqualoni, Matt Eberflus, and Rich Bisaccia all got Head Coaching jobs in the NFL or College after leaving the Arlington Jonesboys (post Jimmy Johnson). NFL is a who you know business. If you knew Bill Parcells, you are going to get a look at being Head Coach. Eberflus and Bisaccia escaped Jerry Jones island. You know who promoted Campo the Clown to Head Coach after firing a Head Coach that went to back to back playoffs his 1st 2 years (Chan Gailey).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

JG was the worst thing Jerry has ever done and it's not close..thats saying something there.

Yeah I mean I think this team needed Garrett after Wade but Wade should’ve never been hired and Garrett as well. Our best chance to win a title was the 2010’s-23 and we wasted those years on Garrett for 9 of them.

 

[tyke1doe]

Even if Moore succeeds with the Chargers, it doesn't mean he was the man for Dallas.
Sometimes people need new environments to thrive.
I just thought he was predictable. So did much of the league, which is why team after team said they knew what we were going to do on offense, i.e., PREDICTABLE!
The ball is in McCarthy's coach. He was saddled with Moore by Jerry Jones but no longer.
He'll not have any excuses this year.
Besides, there's really not a team we shouldn't beat in the NFC.
Brady is gone. Rodgers is gone. No more elite quarterbacks who give us fits.
And with an even better defense.
There aren't any excuses outside of major injuries we should be in the NFC Championship Game.
If we fall short, it will be on McCarthy.

 

[gimmesix]

And while McCarthys overall record at Green Bay was impressive calling the plays he did have one of the most Elite QB’s of this era.

And Tom Landry had Roger Staubach, and not much success without him. Bill Belicheck had Tom Brady, and not much success without him. Jimmy Johnson had Troy Aikman, and not much success with him, and the Cowboys and Aikman went on to win a Super Bowl without Johnson.

I can't diminish a Super Bowl coach for who he had at QB, because there are very few that have won with scrubs at the position.

 

[Big D]

Moving on from Moore was the best off-season move that we made. Moore is not intelligent enough to be a successful offensive coordinator at this level yet. Maybe he'll improve and become a great coordinator one day.


But I will NOT miss a coordinator like Moore who doesn't understand the flow of the game. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't stop running the ball. When the opposing defense can't stop the run... you don't call pass plays or trick plays on 2nd, 3rd or 4th and goal or short.

When you have a lead on the opposing team.... you eat clock with runs and high percentage pass plays. Understand the flow of the game.

Kellen Moore wasn't intelligent enough to understand this. Again, I'm glad he's gone.

His philosophy of "no philosophy" is cool vs teams with average defenses but the good disciplined defenses won't let it slide.

 

[CowboyFrog]

His philosophy of "no philosophy" is cool vs teams with average defenses but the good disciplined defenses won't let it slide.

It's funny we scold the players for the "Stats" they build vs bad teams but somehow KM gets a pass from some here on it, The fact is his offense works fine until you run into a defense that it will take some scheme to beat..then it folds.

 

[Hennessy_King]

He had to be let go because of how his offenses looked against top 5 defenses in the playoffs.

 

[Haimerej]

Nor was he capable of making adjustments to what defenses would run against us. He’s a high school coach, at best

The #1 second half scoring offense couldn't make adjustments. Lol

They were the #4 second half scoring offense in both 2019 and 2021. Top 5 second half scoring team 3 out of his 4 years. Only time they weren't was the disaster of 2020, although they were #1 before Dak went down.

 

[Haimerej]

Moore. a first time OC. with all of one year of coachign experience? he couldn't carry a bucket of water. he couldn't carry anyone. big mistake to hire him. tell me any coach ever having one year of coaching experience anywhere, college or pro, getting a position like he did. one example and I will shut up.

Jeff Saturday had less experience.

I look forward to you no longer posting.