My open letter to Jim Reeves at FWST...

[dbair1967]

With all due respect, your article is one shoddy piece of journalism.
No where in there do you even make a case for why people are upset for this hiring and you completely fail to even show our side of the issue.

Here are a couple facts since you and your brethren in the media are too lazy to research for your selves:

1) Turner has a .412 record as a head coach.
2) The reason for his firing in DC was because he couldn’t win the close games and his record of losing games by 3 points or less was horrible.
3) Even the HOF receiver Jerry Rice recently commented on what little control he had over the Raiders. Commenting that Woodson and others would show up late to meetings and Norv wouldn’t do a thing.
4) Since his time in Dallas he’s had 2, count them 2, offenses to be in the top 10 in terms of scoring. WOW! Real offensive genius!
5) In his 2 years in Oakland, he won 1, count it 1, game against an AFC West opponent. I’m sure Gibbs, Reid and Coughlin are just quaking thinking about this coaching genius.
6) We’re basically hiring a mentor to mentor a mentor. We’re hiring Turner to mentor Garrett who will mentor Romo? That makes sense. I thought we were done with the rebuilding process?

The guy is a loser. Plain and simple and this franchise is making a serious mistake in this hire. All the while, the media is fawning over the good ol’ days because you yearn to have some coach who actually gives a crap about what you write or think unlike Parcells who thought that each and every one of you were a joke.

Get real and open your eyes. You’re so quick to ride Parcells out of town yet you’re so quick to also welcome one of the biggest failures in coaching history back to Dallas with open arms.

But, what do I know. I’m just some 35 year old guy who’s been a fan of the team for 24 years and travels once a year to see the team play somewhere. I’m just a fan who looks at records and comments from HOF players about what an utter failure Norv has been. I’m just a guy who thinks it’s utterly pathetic that we’re hiring someone who’s one MAJOR plus in any article that’s written is that he introduced Troy Aikman at the HOF and was part of the glory years of the early 90’s.

I’m just a fan who wants to know: What have you done, Norv, in your past to deserve this job? Absolutely NOTHING

sorry, but until you (or anyone else) shows where Norv took a GOOD team and made them bad, this will be a waste of time IMO...Norv coached bad teams...on top of that he coached bad teams with bad ownership and personnel people...the best team he coached was the 1999 Commander team, and he barely missed a trip to the NFC Championship game...his teams showed pretty consistent improvement in Washington save one season (in which they had a ton of injuries)

now if someone wants to argue that he was very stupid for taking the Oakland job, I'll go along with that...but the Commanders werent a bad team BECAUSE of Norv...

David

 

[dbair1967]

I know you are not saying norv will be as good as Tom.

However one thing you did not factor into your takes.

Tom was starting from scratch with an expansion team, and this was before expansion teams got some of the perks of todays expansion teams.

Norv was not. They may not have been great teams but there IS a difference.

while thats true, the Commanders were a total reclemation project...it was an old, bad team that Norv inherited

David

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Where did I not hold him accountable?

Look closer before you assume I'm making excuses for Norv. I've been a Jason Garrett guy from the word go, and want Cowher to at least get an interview with an inquiry into the cost from the Steelers and I want Ron Rivera more than any of the coaches (save Garrett).

I just think .412 is a weak leg to stand on and despite the lecture I got in another post by a colleague...still do. My own fault, I knew people would over react.

I think you may have confused over react with not agreeing with your opinion/take on this issue.

As I said before...you could have put any coaches name in there that started off with that record ON AN EXPANSION team and I would feel the same way.

I am not including what said coach went ON to become.

Sorry...not over reacting...just don't agree with you. If you see it as anything else than I am of the opinion that you are the one over reacting.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

while thats true, the Commanders were a total reclemation project...it was an old, bad team that Norv inherited

David

Bad team...and expansion team in that area are Two different things and nowhere close.

 

[aikemirv]

The sand has been removed from mind since Parcells was officially out.

I have been preaching the same thing you just said for the past couple days in this chaos.

Parcells was holding us back and any change cant be much worse.

Like I've said before... the only thing that can be worse in the 2007 season as opposed to the past 4 years results in a better draft pick.

11 years and no playoffs wins... I dont even wanna hear the arguement Norv will lead us back to the 5-11 seasons. Honestly, its not that much worse :

Well, believe it or not, I would take the 8-4 start last season and the opportunity to win the division, get homefield advantage in the playoffs and have a first round bye over 5-11 every season, every year!!!!!!

 

[Hostile]

I don't really understand why you think this is shoddy journalism. He is making the case for the hiring of Norv. He is not trying to state the case for not hiring him. This article is not supposed to be a debate.

A liberal writer will not make the conservative case for them. Why do you expect him to make the case against something he believes to be right?

By the way, I am not for hiring Norv, but that is the case for hiring him is it not? How is that bad journalism when in truth that is the case for it.

Journalism is always "shoddy" if it doesn't agree with a reader's opinion.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Just because there are no $100 chips out there...does not mean you have to go with a $5 chip out there.

In other words there are some out there that are just as good or bad (depending on you opinion).

If you want to go with a retread..at least get one that has a winning record or better record.

I could give a rat's behind about a winning record. Dallas had a winning record this year and that and a five dollar bill will get you a cup of coffee. It's about winning the Super Bowl and there's not an option out there that has won one as a head coach.

At least Turner is walking around with a few rings on his fingers from his days as an OC and that's more than most can show. He must know a little bit and it's not the end of the world if he ends up ultimately being the choice although he wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

sorry, but until you (or anyone else) shows where Norv took a GOOD team and made them bad, this will be a waste of time IMO...Norv coached bad teams...on top of that he coached bad teams with bad ownership and personnel people...the best team he coached was the 1999 Commander team, and he barely missed a trip to the NFC Championship game...his teams showed pretty consistent improvement in Washington save one season (in which they had a ton of injuries)

now if someone wants to argue that he was very stupid for taking the Oakland job, I'll go along with that...but the Commanders werent a bad team BECAUSE of Norv...

David

I thought it was the job of a coach to make a bad team better?

If it is ok to say bill was a failure on a bad team...why not Norv?

What about Marvin Lewis getting the bengals better...can you argue that they had a great history or ownership?

What about Sean payton making the Saints better...can you argue theyhad a great history or ownership?

 

[smarta5150]

Well, believe it or not, I would take the 8-4 start last season and the opportunity to win the division, get homefield advantage in the playoffs and have a first round bye over 5-11 every season, every year!!!!!!

How about the complete downfall EVERY December when its the ideal time for a team to get hot and build momentum going into the playoffs?

 

[Hunter71]

Where did I not hold him accountable?

Look closer before you assume I'm making excuses for Norv. I've been a Jason Garrett guy from the word go, and want Cowher to at least get an interview with an inquiry into the cost from the Steelers and I want Ron Rivera more than any of the coaches (save Garrett).

I just think .412 is a weak leg to stand on and despite the lecture I got in another post by a colleague...still do. My own fault, I knew people would over react.

Oh, I don't know...

I guess because the argument for Norv, and you hit it right on the head, is that we have better talent so therefore Turner was in a bad spot because he had inferior talent...

Again, where's the accountability?...

You run a team for 7 years and your record is garbage yet people use the excuse that he had inferior talent...

WHO's fault is THAT?...The HC, that's who!...

It's HIS fault that the talent level was crap...

And as for overreacting, I love the fact that when people disagree with others, it's overreacing...

But if someone happens to agree with you, it's a sane, rational point that person makes...

 

[Hostile]

while thats true, the Commanders were a total reclemation project...it was an old, bad team that Norv inherited

David

Norv also went through 3 different owners in that time frame. There was no way he could build a team as he wanted.

Oops, guess I just made another excuse for him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I hate how some peope act like politicians. Whine and moan and complain about decisions that are being made but not offering any reasonable alternatives.


Just wipe the sand out of your manginas, realize that there aren't a ton of blue chip guaranteed to succeed candidates out there and hope for the best.

here's a candidate: Wade Phillips

over .500 record as an HC, and basically everywhere he's gone his Ds shine, and he has a 3-4 mindset to boot, wow, guess what? we have a 3-4 D in dire need of a competent head to run it, I know Wade won't be in on everything, but at least he would be the guideline on how it's run, and he could leave the O in the very capable hands of Tony Sparano, who called the majority of the plays for the league's #4 ranked total and #2 ranked scoring O, plus we already brought in a supposed superb offensive mind in Jason Garrett

and there you have it, my alternative to Norval Turner, he's not a 100% guarantee, but at least he makes the most sense and wasn't a total loser as a head coach

 

[Cochese]

I could give a rat's behind about a winning record. Dallas had a winning record this year and that and a five dollar bill will get you a cup of coffee. It's about winning the Super Bowl and there's not an option out there that has won one as a head coach.

How the hell are you supposed to win a super bowl without a winning record?!:bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

while thats true, the Commanders were a total reclemation project...it was an old, bad team that Norv inherited

David

that's funny, since Parcells took over a team 1 game better, and took us to 2 playoff berths in 4 years

just food for thought

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I could give a rat's behind about a winning record. Dallas had a winning record this year and that and a five dollar bill will get you a cup of coffee. It's about winning the Super Bowl and there's not an option out there that has won one as a head coach.

At least Turner is walking around with a few rings on his fingers from his days as an OC and that's more than most can show. He must know a little bit and it's not the end of the world if he ends up ultimately being the choice although he wouldn't be my first choice.

So I guess we should not hire a HC at all...I mean if they are not going to get to the superbowl than why even hire them at all?

Dave Campo is walking around with a few superbowl rings as well...should we hire him as our HC? He had a pretty bad record as HC before as well.

Your initial point was there are no blue chippers out there...I agreed, but that does not mean I am ok with norv...just as I would not like to see campo brought back as HC.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Journalism is always "shoddy" if it doesn't agree with a reader's opinion.

Now that we can agree on.

 

[Cochese]

that's funny, since Parcells took over a team 1 game better, and took us to 2 playoff berths in 4 years

just food for thought

Parcells is obviously the devil. Outside factors contributed to his success, while Norv is a god of coaching football teams and had 'the man' dragging him down every step of the way.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells is obviously the devil. Outside factors contributed to his success, while Norv is a god of coaching football teams and had 'the man' dragging him down every step of the way.

I know right? whatever happened to the words dbair and those of his ilk constantly spewed:

"the team is the reflection of the head coach"?? guess Norval gets a mulligan because he helped us out back in '92 and '93

 

[Hostile]

I think you may have confused over react with not agreeing with your opinion/take on this issue.

As I said before...you could have put any coaches name in there that started off with that record ON AN EXPANSION team and I would feel the same way.

I am not including what said coach went ON to become.

Sorry...not over reacting...just don't agree with you. If you see it as anything else than I am of the opinion that you are the one over reacting.

Are you somehow of the opinion that when I say the word "people" I mean you and you alone? Even when I don't respond directly to you?

The over reaction I'm speaking of is the .412 winning %. That should be abundantly clear by now. I hope.

Back to Tom Landry for a minute, The fans and media hated him and his stoic non winning ways. There was a huge media and fan cry for his firing. Clint Murchison heard their cries and responded by giving Landry a 10 year extension. The fool.

 

[aikemirv]

How about the complete downfall EVERY December when its the ideal time for a team to get hot and build momentum going into the playoffs?

And that is worse than being bad all year long?


At being the laughing stock of the NFL like we were with Campo?