My open letter to Jim Reeves at FWST...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Are you somehow of the opinion that when I say the owrd "people" I mean you and you alone? Even when I don't respond directly to you?

The over reaction I'm speaking of is the .412 winning %. That should be abundantly clear by now. I hope.

Back to Tom Landry for a minute, The fans and media hated him and his stoic non winning ways. There was a huge media and fan cry for his firing. Clint Murchison heard their cries and responded by giving Landry a 10 year extension. The fool.

I am speaking in general...I know you have replied to others even though they were not replying to you.

About the .412%...how could you not be unhappy about someone bringing in a HC with that percentage...seriously. Would you be ok with Spurrier because he worked as a HC in DC. What about Callahan for the raiders?

Back to landry. For someone that does not want to compare landry to norv...you bring up something that has nothing to do with the other again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Hos, I don't think Landry was a stooge like Norv has been

or so the backers of Norval say

 

[dbair1967]

I am speaking in general...I know you have replied to others even though they were not replying to you.

About the .412%...how could you not be unhappy about someone bringing in a HC with that percentage...seriously. Would you be ok with Spurrier because he worked as a HC in DC. What about Callahan for the raiders?

Back to landry. For someone that does not want to compare landry to norv...you bring up something that has nothing to do with the other again.

so BP, was the Pats move to hire Belichick a bad move? what about Denver with Shanahan? there are dozens of people on here who think hiring Pete Carroll is a great idea, whats his record?

I agree with Hos...people are obsessing over the w/l record and not taking everything into account...I'm not saying Norv is a GREAT hire, but he is not fully responsible for the bad record either and if he had coached better teams, its reasonable to expect his w/l record would be alot better...I mean really, do you or others HONESTLY believe Norv wouldnt have been a great hire in 1994? would we have suddenly become a 6-10 team with him as HC then?

David

 

[smarta5150]

And that is worse than being bad all year long?


At being the laughing stock of the NFL like we were with Campo?

I guess medicrocy is ok in your book.

We were stuck in gear with Parcells as the HC... a change was needed and is now being made.

I dont care if JJ himself wants to coach the team, we needed this and there is no proof as of this moment we will be a 5-11 team.

I wish people would stop crying about the front runner right now... 90% of this place wanted Parcells gone and now he is gone, yet, there are so many people running around like its armageddon.

Until we are actually 5-11 then moan about how bad of a decision our new HC was.

 

[Doomsday101]

And that is worse than being bad all year long?


At being the laughing stock of the NFL like we were with Campo?

People laughed at Dallas when Jones hired a college coach when he 1st came to town. No one really knows what kind of job Turner would do in Dallas, we all have our personal feelings pro and con. I don't think teams around the league will be laughing at Turner as a selection

 

[Hostile]

I am speaking in general...I know you have replied to others even though they were not replying to you.

About the .412%...how could you not be unhappy about someone bringing in a HC with that percentage...seriously. Would you be ok with Spurrier because he worked as a HC in DC. What about Callahan for the raiders?

Back to landry. For someone that does not want to compare landry to norv...you bring up something that has nothing to do with the other again.

I don't believe I've ever assumed it meant me unless addressed though. Certainly not when a plural is used for the subject.

The reason I am not unhappy is because I see the intent behind the plan and can't argue with it. Jerry sees the development of Tony Romo as vital to the progress of this team and believe Norv could aid in that. So do I. He's not my favorite candidate by any wild stretch of the imagination. But I refuse to throw a hissy fit and pout about the owner trying to improve our QB.

If you look deeper, you'll see that I am once again talking about fan over reaction, not Landry or Turner. I admit, you have to look deeper to see that there are some similarities. I'm not asking anyone to stick their head so far down that they drown in the well.

 

[philo beddoe]

With all due respect, your article is one shoddy piece of journalism.
No where in there do you even make a case for why people are upset for this hiring and you completely fail to even show our side of the issue.

Here are a couple facts since you and your brethren in the media are too lazy to research for your selves:

1) Turner has a .412 record as a head coach.
2) The reason for his firing in DC was because he couldn’t win the close games and his record of losing games by 3 points or less was horrible.
3) Even the HOF receiver Jerry Rice recently commented on what little control he had over the Raiders. Commenting that Woodson and others would show up late to meetings and Norv wouldn’t do a thing.
4) Since his time in Dallas he’s had 2, count them 2, offenses to be in the top 10 in terms of scoring. WOW! Real offensive genius!
5) In his 2 years in Oakland, he won 1, count it 1, game against an AFC West opponent. I’m sure Gibbs, Reid and Coughlin are just quaking thinking about this coaching genius.
6) We’re basically hiring a mentor to mentor a mentor. We’re hiring Turner to mentor Garrett who will mentor Romo? That makes sense. I thought we were done with the rebuilding process?

The guy is a loser. Plain and simple and this franchise is making a serious mistake in this hire. All the while, the media is fawning over the good ol’ days because you yearn to have some coach who actually gives a crap about what you write or think unlike Parcells who thought that each and every one of you were a joke.

Get real and open your eyes. You’re so quick to ride Parcells out of town yet you’re so quick to also welcome one of the biggest failures in coaching history back to Dallas with open arms.

But, what do I know. I’m just some 35 year old guy who’s been a fan of the team for 24 years and travels once a year to see the team play somewhere. I’m just a fan who looks at records and comments from HOF players about what an utter failure Norv has been. I’m just a guy who thinks it’s utterly pathetic that we’re hiring someone who’s one MAJOR plus in any article that’s written is that he introduced Troy Aikman at the HOF and was part of the glory years of the early 90’s.

I’m just a fan who wants to know: What have you done, Norv, in your past to deserve this job? Absolutely NOTHING

Brilliant Post

 

[StanleySpadowski]

So I guess we should not hire a HC at all...I mean if they are not going to get to the superbowl than why even hire them at all?

Dave Campo is walking around with a few superbowl rings as well...should we hire him as our HC? He had a pretty bad record as HC before as well.

Your initial point was there are no blue chippers out there...I agreed, but that does not mean I am ok with norv...just as I would not like to see campo brought back as HC.

I wouldn't mind Campo back either to tell you the truth. The man may get ridiculed here but he's a decent coach who was dealt a chicken #$% hand (no QB, cap problems) and couldn't make chicken salad out of it. Not many can.

Any coach who understands that football is pretty simple in the end: win in the trenches, let your playmakers make plays and help the front office make the right decisions on who he needs in the trenches can be very successful.

Turner, Phillips, Garrett... It really doesn't matter in the end. Ireland and company make good decisions and Dallas has as good a shot at the Super Bowl next year as anyone. They fail in FA and the draft and it's an uphill battle.

 

[philo beddoe]

Norv has 8 years as a Head Coach in the NFL to compile that .412 winning % with bad teams.

Tom Landry started with bad teams. In his first 8 years as an NFL Head Coach he compiled a 44-61-5 record. This is a .419 winning %. The next year with a much better team he went 12-2.

Maybe Norv can do better with a better team, which I do think we have a better compilation of talent than his Skins and Raiders teams were.


Note to the over sensitive...I am not comparing Norv Turner to Tom Landry. He isn't fit to stand in the man's shadow. I know this, so please don't help me "understand."

A Norval Apologist

 

[Cochese]

I wouldn't mind Campo back either to tell you the truth. The man may get ridiculed here but he's a decent coach who was dealt a chicken #$% hand (no QB, cap problems) and couldn't make chicken salad out of it. Not many can.

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Insanity. No words can fully explain this.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

so BP, was the Pats move to hire Belichick a bad move? what about Denver with Shanahan? there are dozens of people on here who think hiring Pete Carroll is a great idea, whats his record?

I agree with Hos...people are obsessing over the w/l record and not taking everything into account...I'm not saying Norv is a GREAT hire, but he is not fully responsible for the bad record either and if he had coached better teams, its reasonable to expect his w/l record would be alot better...I mean really, do you or others HONESTLY believe Norv wouldnt have been a great hire in 1994? would we have suddenly become a 6-10 team with him as HC then?

David

1994 and 2007 are different. He did not have TWO losing coaching stints (seems Bellichick who people like to bring up and the next excuse name is Shanahan had one).

In 1994 he had yet to prove himself one way or another as a HC so at that time he would seem to be a good hire. But it is not 1994 and it seems some, mostly Jerry Jones, need to realize that.

It is also not just about his win loss record.

It is about his reputation of not being someone who players respect as a HC that can keep players in line.

We have heard from multiple sources that players did not respect him, that felt he could be ran over.

I honestly do not see any upside in Norv other than he can tutor Garrett to Tutor Romo.

I mean if our offense was ranked middle of the pack or bottom of the pack...then maybe I could get over some of these issues..MAYBE.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, I don't think Landry was a stooge like Norv has been

or so the backers of Norval say

Fans and even the players did consider him a stooge though. They felt his system required too much intellect.

Ironic huh?

Norv isn't a stooge either. If he was as incompetent as some on this forum espouse he wouldn't even be in the NFL. I do believe he's better suited to be an OC than a HC, but he's not a stooge.

 

[Hunter71]

wouldn't mind Campo back either to tell you the truth.

Oh...

OK...

This makes a lot of sense now...

I guess you have an affinity for HC with sub-500 records?...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wouldn't mind Campo back either to tell you the truth. The man may get ridiculed here but he's a decent coach who was dealt a chicken #$% hand (no QB, cap problems) and couldn't make chicken salad out of it. Not many can.

Any coach who understands that football is pretty simple in the end: win in the trenches, let your playmakers make plays and help the front office make the right decisions on who he needs in the trenches can be very successful.

Turner, Phillips, Garrett... It really doesn't matter in the end. Ireland and company make good decisions and Dallas has as good a shot at the Super Bowl next year as anyone. They fail in FA and the draft and it's an uphill battle.

You know that line in the Jerry McGuire movie when the girl says...You had me at hello.

Well...You lost me at I would not mind campo back.

Sorry.

 

[Hostile]

A Norval Apologist

That the best you've got son? How sad. Better to quit while you can before you get run over.

 

[Hunter71]

Norv isn't a stooge either. If he was as incompetent as some on this forum espouse he wouldn't even be in the NFL. I do believe he's better suited to be an OC than a HC, but he's not a stooge.

Have you been reading the comments that Jerry Rice made about him?...

About the utter lack of respect that players had for him?...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fans and even the players did consider him a stooge though. They felt his system required too much intellect.

Ironic huh?

Norv isn't a stooge either. If he was as incompetent as some on this forum espouse he wouldn't even be in the NFL. I do believe he's better suited to be an OC than a HC, but he's not a stooge.

I'm saying Norv backers say that Norval was strapped by his owners and wasn't allowed to do anything on his own, I should have said cronie

 

[StanleySpadowski]

1994 and 2007 are different. He did not have TWO losing coaching stints (seems Bellichick who people like to bring up and the next excuse name is Shanahan had one).

In 1994 he had yet to prove himself one way or another as a HC so at that time he would seem to be a good hire. But it is not 1994 and it seems some, mostly Jerry Jones, need to realize that.

It is also not just about his win loss record.

It is about his reputation of not being someone who players respect as a HC that can keep players in line.

We have heard from multiple sources that players did not respect him, that felt he could be ran over.

I honestly do not see any upside in Norv other than he can tutor Garrett to Tutor Romo.

I mean if our offense was ranked middle of the pack or bottom of the pack...then maybe I could get over some of these issues..MAYBE.

Some players walked all over him in Oakland, but you have to look at the in context. Find me an Oakland coach in the last 20 years that hasn't been walked all over. Heck, Art Shell is one of the baddest mofos in the game and they walked all over him twice. It's a culture in that locker room that starts at the top.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Some players walked all over him in Oakland, but you have to look at the in context. Find me an Oakland coach in the last 20 years that hasn't been walked all over. Heck, Art Shell is one of the baddest mofos in the game and they walked all over him twice. It's a culture in that locker room that starts at the top.

Last 20 years?

Gruden got that team doing well enough that when Callahan took over they went to the Superbowl.

What about norv with Washington.

What about our very own Woodsen talking about it recently.

Come on guys...are you seeing a pattern here?

 

[5Stars]

Some players walked all over him in Oakland, but you have to look at the in context. Find me an Oakland coach in the last 20 years that hasn't been walked all over. Heck, Art Shell is one of the baddest mofos in the game and they walked all over him twice. It's a culture in that locker room that starts at the top.

What about the RedStinks players and fans that have nothing much good to say about coach Norv as a leader and head coach?

They have witnessed it also...