My take on Drew Henson. Why the hell not, right?

[Cbz40]

What some people think is best for the team is somewhat different than mine.

How can anyone say that having the future starting QB and backup already on the team is not in the teams best interest? Both knowing the Playbook, worked w/ receivers, centers.........just knowing and having continuity with their team mates is a huge asset.

Having this luxury also frees up draft choices for other needs, WR, NG, OL..whatever.

That's why I would like to see both succeed.......it only makes our team better in the long run.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

It still pisses me off that Carter screwed up in what was his payoff year.

Romo and Henson are both getting the benefit of learning everything about the offense before they ever have to step on the field in a real game. That should make things easier for them...I think it is why Romo looks much more comfortable...he has a clue as to where everyone should be and what his reads are.

Henson just isn't there yet. And he basically is taking a step back in the hopes that the end result will be better. Henson will have at least one more year to get it right.

If Bledsoe has a good year this year, I think Henson gets shipped off to NFLE to get some playing time.

NFLE would be good for Henson. I agree here.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I knew it...where'd you learn about football anyway, ballet school?

Sorgi?!

Juke said it last year, Juke says it again.

Beware the ARTHman!

Tapdance class.

:laugh2:

 

[Jarv]

He needs to make the improvement he should have made this year, next year ... he's behind, farther behind than some of you are capable of seeing.

Interesting too note that you are more "are capable of seeing" than the rest of us. Just out of curiosity, what are your qualifications for this ?

Have you played more football than the rest of us ?

Maybe you have watched more games than us over your lifetime ?

Is your eyesight 20-15 ?

Are you a QB coach at a big University or a Pro football team ?

 

[Rack]

I see what you're trying to say, but it's a poor analogy. Clearly, if you've watched him play, he only gets those 2x2 plays called into him ... and he can't even execute those.

Romo looked better last preseason than Henson does this preseason. So, like I said, it's a poor analogy.

That proves you aren't getting what I'm talking about. The plays called has NOTHING to do with it.

I didn't start a flame war. Who have I flamed in here?

YOu didn't start a flame war, but you DID start a Henson/Romo war. Eventhough this thread had not a single thing to do with Romo or the QB depth chart.


Thanks for ruining yet another thread, Banned. Welcome to my ever growing Ignore list as well. I suggest others put banned there too since all he does is instigate arguments and never had anything constructive to say.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Romo will have a longer, more successful career than Henson ever thought about having. That is my opinion also. You guys underestimate this guy. He makes his throws and he stays calm. He handles pressure very well. Romo is a player. Take whatever you want away from him, his small school, his draft status, his weak arm , his moxie etc ... Romo is a baller and a competitor!

I know Henson runs the pregame, warm up offense a lot better. But if you look at the actual game, Romo clearly runs the offense better than both QB's IMO.

 

[Martice]

I'm not saying Henson was ready but neither was Romo not by a long shot. Romo has shown improvement this year and deserves the #2 spot I have no issue with that what so ever and I feel Dallas will continue to work with Henson just as they were willing to work with Romo last year.

Dallas would be silly to cut DH prematurely. It won't hurt us to keep him around for another year or two until we are sure that the potential he has will not be reached. However, it would be just as silly to say (as some have said in numerous threads) that Romo will only be a career backup based on what we have seen so far. I'm sure he hasn't reached his potential as of yet either.

Sometimes a player is just a player and sometimes a winner is just a winner and that overrides any conventional thinking reagarding physical and/or mental gifts. Sometimes all you really need, comes in the most unlikely packages and only a few can spot the special ones and they rarely come in the prototypical form. Just ask Dat about this very subject.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

That proves you aren't getting what I'm talking about. The plays called has NOTHING to do with it.

Then you're doing a poor job of articulating what you're trying to say.

YOu didn't start a flame war, but you DID start a Henson/Romo war. Eventhough this thread had not a single thing to do with Romo or the QB depth chart.

I gave my opinion on a relevent issue. Sue me. Arrest me. Beat me up. Whatever you gotta do. Just as long as the punishment fits the crime.

Thanks for ruining yet another thread, Banned. Welcome to my ever growing Ignore list as well. I suggest others put banned there too since all he does is instigate arguments and never had anything constructive to say.

As if we didn't have enough of these threads to begin with, right Rack?

But "what the hell" ......... right?

I haven't ruined anything. You ruined it when you typed the nonsensical title.

If anything, I've brought some realistic reasoning besides your nonsensical alegebra analogy to the discussion. I was kind of trying to help keep you from embarrassing yourself. I like you Rack. I was just trying to do you a favor.

Henson is learning college algebra ... that's why he's stinking it up."

Do me a favor. Put me on your ignore list and keep me there. Anyone else who has a problem with me, do the same.

I haven't flamed anyone, only gave my opinion. You started a Henson thread. That's going to invite opinion and discussion. You know damn well that Romo would come into it. They were competing for a job, genius. But you started the thread, you invited discussion.

Like I said, put me on ignore. I'd actually prefer it that way. You and anyone else who can't have an adult discussion w/o taking it personal and getting bent etc.

That's what the damn ignore feature is for - use it.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I'm not saying Henson was ready but neither was Romo not by a long shot. Romo has shown improvement this year and deserves the #2 spot I have no issue with that what so ever and I feel Dallas will continue to work with Henson just as they were willing to work with Romo last year.

I wouldn't say a long shot, Dooms. And if that actually is the case, then mega-props to Romo. He's improved leaps and bounds from last year. He's ready to man the primary back up job.

In any case, last year, this year, whatever, mega kudos for Romo for competing for the job and earning it.

I'll tell you Dooms. My biggest fear was that we'd just hand this guy the job w/o asking him to put in the work and performance to EARN it.

It doesn't look like Parcells will actually make my biggest fear become reality. Thank Goodness.

 

[Fletch]

Sure, it's fun to paint me as the big bad wolf, because your thong is in a wad about Henson. But I'm just a hard-core fan that wants the best for my team. Give the I'm a bad guy stuff a rest. I just want what's best for my team and it is the time of the year when we as fans should be discussing things like ...oh .... back up QB's ... it's the freakin' preseason, Slappy!

Love how you found the time for yet more of your whimsical banter. And you say you aren't flaming? Oops, that sounded wrong. But if the shoe fits... ?

And yes, you hijacked this entire thread within the first few posts because you cannot stand reading anybody's take when it comes to Henson. And you didn't even bother to say why until people began to call you out. I guess that's just your M.O. Pretty sad if you ask me. Try rooting for the TEAM, all players included.

And now I'm done with you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well to get back on topic. In what ways do you think that the coaching staff has heightened Henson's learning curve.

The throwing mechanics are obvious and you can tell they are not second nature quite yet.

That old throwing motion that he had been using is the same that he had been using in baseball and perhaps even before so youre taking 4+ years of conditioning and attempting to retrain it in 8 months. I think its quite fair to expect at least a years time for him to become fully comfortable. This is all obvious tho.

The mental aspect is quite different. Im usre last year they were dumbing down the offense similar to how they handled Carter insomuch only having him read half the field or the outside.

I really cannot say that I would know how the coaches are having Henson go through his progressions or how they have been expanding on it.

I have heard several reports saying that Henson does do very well in 7 on 7's. So that he means his brain is at the point where it can process the mechanics and reads but then when you add a pass rush he does seem to have informational overload as he has to concern with the blitz and adjustments to reads that entails as well as having to concern with pocket prescence.

I still see the work ethic, mental toughness and professionalism he has had all along so there is still a light at the end of the tunnel its just to the point if he can put his mechanics and reads together while facing a pass rush.

None of this is an excuse its just a reasonable observation IMO. Commenting on his thumb injury is an excuse. But I am very firm in my belief that Henson's development is independent of any other QBs on the roster but it appears some people dont get that.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I see what you are saying Dooms but are you also saying that last year DH had a better grip of the game than Romo and this year Romo has a better grip? Now Drew knew enough last year to play but not this year? What has changed other than Romo playing better this year? Did DH regress or is that Romo has made that much progress or maybe a little of both?

I'd like to get your take on this as someone who I respect on this forum.

Thanks

Banned feel free to chime in as well.

I crave respect. I crave acceptence among the board. [/sarcasm]

But regardless of your level of respect for me, I think you bring up a very good point here.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I'll make this short and simple.


IMO, regardless of what has been reported and how he has actually looked, Drew Henson has improved.


I've been believing this for quite some time, but couldn't think of a way to explain it.


But here's the best I could come up with...

Drew Henson last year was at a stage comparable to taking basic math. He had a decent understanding of what he was being asked to do.


This year he's moved up to College Algebra. A lot of people struggle when they first start taking College ALgebra, but after doing a few hundred equations, they start to get it, and it gets much easier.

For another words, Drew is struggling cuz he's moved up a lvl in his development. He's actually TRYING to do the more difficult things now (such as fine tuning his throwing motion and reading defenses). Once he gets a good grip on "College Algebra" he'll move up to calculus (or whatever, you get the point) and he'll struggle again, and so on and so forth.


It's kind of like being a QB and going from highschool to college. The playbook is bigger and the defense more complicated. But with Henson it's more advanced cuz he sat out 3+ years. He's getting it, it's just taking a bit longer due to the layoff. But we signed him long term for a reason.


Hope that made sense.

My feelings exactly. Im not proclaiming him the star of the future, but hey, I thik he deserves a fair shot to prove he can do it. He's got the tools, and if you look at his absence from the game, and short college career, you can basially call him a rookie this year. Give the man a shot to develope.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Romo will have a longer, more successful career than Henson ever thought about having. That is my opinion also. You guys underestimate this guy. He makes his throws and he stays calm. He handles pressure very well. Romo is a player. Take whatever you want away from him, his small school, his draft status, his weak arm , his moxie etc ... Romo is a baller and a competitor!

I know Henson runs the pregame, warm up offense a lot better. But if you look at the actual game, Romo clearly runs the offense better than both QB's IMO.

That's the funny part - when have you ever seen Romo in a real NFL game. Knock Henson all you want, but at least he did play well in the 4th Quarter against the Ravens defense in a real game. Romo has yet to show us anything against a 1st team defense. Maybe he will, but until he does he's really not much better than Henson IMO.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

What some people think is best for the team is somewhat different than mine.

How can anyone say that having the future starting QB and backup already on the team is not in the teams best interest? Both knowing the Playbook, worked w/ receivers, centers.........just knowing and having continuity with their team mates is a huge asset.

Having this luxury also frees up draft choices for other needs, WR, NG, OL..whatever.

That's why I would like to see both succeed.......it only makes our team better in the long run.

CBZ, I agree with your point. I think if we have a QB that deserves the "future" label, it's Romo though ...

I just really really hate to use that word ... "future".

That word entails too much commitment to a guy who I don't think is mentally suited to play the game. We'd be a stupid team if we banked on Henson being our future and commited to him without him ever earning it.

When I hear "future" I also hear "commitment" ... it makes me uneasy ...



That said, I DO actually want to see both do well.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Love how you found the time for yet more of your whimsical banter. And you say you aren't flaming? Oops, that sounded wrong. But if the shoe fits... ?

And yes, you hijacked this entire thread within the first few posts because you cannot stand reading anybody's take when it comes to Henson. And you didn't even bother to say why until people began to call you out. I guess that's just your M.O. Pretty sad if you ask me. Try rooting for the TEAM, all players included.

And now I'm done with you.

Oh Lord. People are "calling me out" now ...

Anyone who is calling me out on the internet, I mock you. That's just plain silly ... almost to the level of a word that starts with "re" ...and ends with "ardedness".

I'm being called out on the internet ....

OK.

Here's a suggestion: You don't like my posts. Don't respond to them. Have you noticed I don't respond to your posts?

There is a reason. I don't like them. So it's really pretty simple. I just don't respond.

This thread was goofy to begin with, but I "hijacked" it.

If you stopped getting bent out of shape and actually talked about some football, you'd see that all I was doing was discussing relevent issues.

Go back and read and point out, before someone attempted to insult me where I wasn't being civil. Show me where I "flamed" someone before they threw mud.

You won't find it. I entered this thread being civil. Do the grown up thing, if you don't like it, ignore it.

I suggest you put me on your ignore list as well. In fact, I'm asking you to. I'm even going to be polite enough to say please.

mmm'kay?

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Hate to be rather blunt. But that is the very reason why you are posting in here rather than coaching or scouting.

This response tell me a lot.

What do you do?

You're a scout?

Coach?

So, anyone who says anything negative about Henson's play gets "called out" by Fletch ...

I get it now.

 

[blindzebra]

Funny, for someone who just ignores his posts you replied to him FIVE TIMES in this thread.

Now that's some accurate posting.

 

[Jarv]

That proves you aren't getting what I'm talking about. The plays called has NOTHING to do with it.





YOu didn't start a flame war, but you DID start a Henson/Romo war. Eventhough this thread had not a single thing to do with Romo or the QB depth chart.


Thanks for ruining yet another thread, Banned. Welcome to my ever growing Ignore list as well. I suggest others put banned there too since all he does is instigate arguments and never had anything constructive to say.

Rack, great initial start of this thread. Sorry I didn't get to the point of even commenting on your original thought before I was sidetracked by the above mentioned poster. By the way, I agree with your thoughts on him 100%.

QB'ing in football is a stepping stone of learning. From peewee 6 man football > Pop Warner > HS > College to the Pro's. I never did College or pro ball..lol, but I was there for the earlier steps. Just like school is a great anology.

Too add to that.

I dropped out of College my 1st year, I was making "Big Bucks" over the Summer as a Full time Dairy/Frozen Food manager at a local Groc. store (Duh Jarman). Took me 2 years to figure out I should go back to College to finish my Engineering degree.

So, I can tell you 1st hand how hard it is to go from Calc 3 in HS to Calc 1 in college....Especially if you had been away from it for a couple of years. I actually got a C in Calc 1, but took it over again to ace it before I went to Calc 2.

Luckily I didn't have that darned professor in my 1st Calc 1 course that said I was worse in Calc 1 than I was in Calc 3 in HS, so I'll never be as good an engineer as my classmates.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I'm going back and reading this thread to make certain I didn't flame anyone.

So, I'll respond to your post, CBZ.