NBA 2016 Offseason: Draft, Trades & Free Agency

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jterrell said:
There are maybe 3 or 4 plus players in most rookie classes. 7 guys in this one played more than 23.1 minutes per game. Russell was at 28mpg. His putting up top 10 stats over guys that didn't play much is pretty meaningless.

Russell was voted 9th best rookie after being drafted 2nd overall and he suffered no real injuries and was playing on a bad team that started him much of the year.

He had a lot of empty and meaningless stats. Stats that bad players get for bad teams all the time.

He still has a very high ceiling but his game is not very good as is and he is definitely not a PG at this point.

Clarkson actually had a better rookie season.

What Russell did do well was steal the ball. He is a long guard and has some defensive quickness. That is a part of his game that was a plus.
But offensively he was terribly inefficient as a scorer and his assist to turnover ratio suggests he is not a creator at all.


Good players can develop but generally the elite of the elite come in playing well.
Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Derrick Rose, DWade(played PG as a rookie). Lilliard, AI.

These guys came into the league and contributed in a way to be compared to the NBA at large not rookies.

I generally believe Russell was very underwhelming having actually watched him play. But I didn't like his game at OSU either. He's basically a slashing 2G.
My PG has to have 1 quality above all others, efficiency.
Even the most aggressive and wild arsed PG, Westbrook averaged over 5 apg as a rookie.
I just think we've seen enough to know DR needs to play the 2 and subsequently wasn't worth the 2nd overall pick.

In a re-draft I don't think he'd go top 5.
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But interestingly enough, even though the Lakers had opportunities to trade him for a top 5 pick this year, which would have netted them their pick of PGs in this draft, they elected not to trade him. I think he had a solid Rookie year. I understand you don't agree and that's fine. I am fine with the season he put up.
 
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I'm happy as a Mavs fan if they somehow get Conley and Whiteside.
wishful thinking, I know
 
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DFWJC said:
I'm happy as a Mavs fan if they somehow get Conley and Whiteside.
wishful thinking, I know
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Good luck...

I think the Mavs may have to stop building from the middle, and start building form the ground up.. the Dirk era is coming to a close...

But that's just my opinion... You look at the piston team from the 2000's they were able to acquire championship talent through free-agents and trades.. Wallace, Wallace, Rip, Chauncey... The only one drafted was Prince...

Oh what that team would have been like if Joe Dumars actually new what he was doing... (Melo instead of Darko...sigh)
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
Good luck...

I think the Mavs may have to stop building from the middle, and start building form the ground up.. the Dirk era is coming to a close...

But that's just my opinion... You look at the piston team from the 2000's they were able to acquire championship talent through free-agents and trades.. Wallace, Wallace, Rip, Chauncey... The only one drafted was Prince...

Oh what that team would have been like if Joe Dumars actually new what he was doing... (Melo instead of Darko...sigh)
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Ultimately Mavs strategy makes far more sense than the Sizers or anyone else trying to tank way to winning.

By the time those draftees are any good they are free agents anyway.

Mavs keep making the playoffs while chasing big fish even though they are getting the guys they want.
If they DO get guys they want they are back in upper echelon of teams.

Reality is that is the proper way to roll. Keeps fan base interested and television market viable.
No one wants to deal with 4-5 years of 20 win teams. Entire franchise value drops significantly.
And there's zero indication anyone has won that way.

CLE got best player of this generation as a hometown kid but he STILL left in FA so they had to add him back in FA to win a title.
 
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jterrell said:
Ultimately Mavs strategy makes far more sense than the Sizers or anyone else trying to tank way to winning.

By the time those draftees are any good they are free agents anyway.

Mavs keep making the playoffs while chasing big fish even though they are getting the guys they want.
If they DO get guys they want they are back in upper echelon of teams.

Reality is that is the proper way to roll. Keeps fan base interested and television market viable.
No one wants to deal with 4-5 years of 20 win teams. Entire franchise value drops significantly.
And there's zero indication anyone has won that way.

CLE got best player of this generation as a hometown kid but he STILL left in FA so they had to add him back in FA to win a title.
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Has nothing to do with what I was saying.
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
Has nothing to do with what I was saying.
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actually it speaks EXACTLY to what you said man.
it's not that hard to follow logically.

you critiqued their methodology. i was contrasting it with other methodologies.

mavs have 3 options.
blow it up tank job, add young talent via free agency which generally requires overpaying, shoot for big fish which requires luck and winning sweepstakes.

they've been doing 2 and 3.

there is no right way to be bad. all you can do is try to minimize how long you suck and just how bad you suck.
 
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jterrell said:
actually it speaks EXACTLY to what you said man.
it's not that hard to follow logically.

you critiqued their methodology. i was contrasting it with other methodologies.

mavs have 3 options.
blow it up tank job, add young talent via free agency which generally requires overpaying, shoot for big fish which requires luck and winning sweepstakes.

they've been doing 2 and 3.

there is no right way to be bad. all you can do is try to minimize how long you suck and just how bad you suck.
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no it speaks to what you read in. EXACTLY to what you read in.
I bolded it for a reason.. you're throwing shots for no reason.. so again.. it had nothing to do with what I was saying..
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
no it speaks to what you read in. EXACTLY to what you read in.
I bolded it for a reason.. you're throwing shots for no reason.. so again.. it had nothing to do with what I was saying..
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it has nothing to do with shots.
i've stated many times teams tanking are doing it all wrong.
so only option is really to try and be as good as humanly possible.

sixers are extreme example because they've championed that method, has nothing to do with your fanhood, organizationally they were wrong.
nets at other extreme (collecting all the highest possible contracts and ignoring how hard it is to move those players later) were also very wrong.
 
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DFWJC said:
I'm happy as a Mavs fan if they somehow get Conley and Whiteside.
wishful thinking, I know
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Lakers try and sign Whiteside. I think he fits what they need. I don't think he fits a team that is going to try and make him the focal point of the Offense. You need a guy to be a good defender, a guy to protect the rim and a guy who can get you boards and put backs, I think that's something Whiteside can do well. Lakers, with Randle, Russell, Clarkson and Ingram have a nice core of young players who can score from the block or the perimeter. Throw in Lou Williams and add a big man like Whiteside and you might have something there. At least a really good foundation to move forward with. JMO
 
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Stu Jackson on LAL young talent:

What is your impression of their young roster and what their potential could be.

Jackson: “I was encouraged by the end of the season with D’Angelo Russell. I was even more encouraged with how Byron Scott handled D’Angelo Russell with not turning over the keys to the franchise to him immediately. He took the approach of making him earn it. That will pay dividends for him down the road. I think he’s a terrific talent. He has great vision as a passer and will be a prolific perimeter shooter. Julius Randle, I like a lot. I think he’s underrated ball handler and excellent rebounder. He’s competitive and has some toughness. I like him as well. Larry Nance Jr will be an excellent player for them. He’s a utility player in the frontcourt, Jordan Clarkson is another great selection.

They have a good young core of players. It’s not a large core of young players. The Lakers still have a great deal of need in the frontcourt. They need to improve with shooting the ball. They were last in the league in assists, indicating that they don’t have a lot of offensive firepower. And they were near last in the league defensively, so they have a long ways to go. But there’s some great opportunity with a blank canvas.
 
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