NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

[RonSpringsdaman20]

LOL....

 

[DFWJC]

overpaid for a guy coming off of a huge injury... Parson dealing with injuries as well... If DJ don't sign with Dallas, the forecast will be really cloudy..

If DJ signs, I say extremely sunny.
Much better mix...especially if they add another complementary part.

 

[jterrell]

Mavs won this free agency period.
Thanks largely to the Rockets.
Parsons solid on the floor but the dude is the best recruiter in the league.
He's pulled two franchise centers out of LA.

Now all the pieces start to come together.
Look for a 3 way S&T of Monta to Indy, Hibbert to Portland and Wes to DAL.
That allows DAL to operate as over the cap team and thus have the 3 roster exceptions. 1 would be for JJ Barea, not sure on others.

 

[jterrell]

I agree. You lose a player like Aldridge and that's going to hurt but they have made some sensible moves to try and recover. Good job by them, I agree.

If they lose Aldridge without a S&T it is a disaster.
They also lost their starting 2,3 and 5.
That's 4 starters gone off a playoff team.
S&Ts can help them rebuild quickly.

 

[jterrell]

Morris Twins broken up...
Marcus, along with Reggie Bullock, and Old Man Knees Granger traded to DET for basically nothing.

Shane Larkin crosses the street to Brooklyn with a 2 year contract.

Aaron Baynes to DET as well

they were already broken up.
phx traded the other brother to ATL for cap space previously.

 

[jterrell]

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

they were already broken up.
phx traded the other brother to ATL for cap space previously.

when? I didn't hear that... the latest I saw was this..
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...acts-to-suns-trade-of-marcus-morris/29634811/


Its not on the Hawks Transaction list either
http://espn.go.com/nba/team/transactions/_/name/atl/atlanta-hawks

 

[jterrell]

when? I didn't hear that... the latest I saw was this..
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...acts-to-suns-trade-of-marcus-morris/29634811/


Its not on the Hawks Transaction list either
http://espn.go.com/nba/team/transactions/_/name/atl/atlanta-hawks

i have been refreshing twitter 1000 times a day so not sure how I got this wrong.
thought the initial trade was to ATL not DET.

btw, the brothers took less money to play together so expect the other Morris to get moved as well.
otherwise he'll be pretty bitter.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

i have been refreshing twitter 1000 times a day so not sure how I got this wrong.
thought the initial trade was to ATL not DET.

btw, the brothers took less money to play together so expect the other Morris to get moved as well.
otherwise he'll be pretty bitter.

I know... and they play their best together. Markieff is the better talent. Smart move by the Suns keeping him... Lets see if he can keep it together.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Mavs won this free agency period.
Thanks largely to the Rockets.
Parsons solid on the floor but the dude is the best recruiter in the league.
He's pulled two franchise centers out of LA.

Now all the pieces start to come together.
Look for a 3 way S&T of Monta to Indy, Hibbert to Portland and Wes to DAL.
That allows DAL to operate as over the cap team and thus have the 3 roster exceptions. 1 would be for JJ Barea, not sure on others.

What did they win? They took two relative strengths of their team and replaced them with basically the same caliber of player. The real weaknesses of the team, point guard and the bench are as bad as ever if not worse with Aminu gone. About the only thing you could say is they can fit the parts together a little differently, but that can go either way and see the team get worse as easily as it can better.

 

[jterrell]

With the moves made already only need LMA to decide so dam can break and deals will fly then.

By about Tuesday we'll know pretty much where everyone is going.
By the 9th it will be all procedural front office paperwork.

 

[jterrell]

What did they win? They took two relative strengths of their team and replaced them with basically the same caliber of player. The real weaknesses of the team, point guard and the bench are as bad as ever if not worse with Aminu gone. About the only thing you could say is they can fit the parts together a little differently, but that can go either way and see the team get worse as easily as it can better.

Anyone truly believing this is pretty basketball dumb.
Tyson was an 11 point 10 rebound 1.5 block guy who struggles to play 60 games a year.
DAJ is a 11 point, 17 rebound 2+ block guy who hasn't missed a game in about 4 seasons.
D12 pushed around TC in the playoffs then DAJ gave D12 all he wanted.
DAJ was all-NBA defense 1st team and finished 2nd or 3rd overall.

Monta is a scorer and charge taking defender. He is very inefficient as a scorer which is why he has now been on so many different teams.
Dallas forced him out by floating trade talk if he opted in.

Aminu is a loss, but he was also lost on offense.

Last season Dallas had a bunch of one way players. Monta, Dirk, Aminu, TC, JJB pretty much everyone.

DAJ gives them a slightly better PNR guy in 6 years younger DAJ.
Matthews gives them the guy with the 3rd most 3 pointers made in the past 5 years... behind only Curry and Korver.
And Matthews is a FAR better defender than any Mavs 2G last season.

Dallas has to fill out roster of course but they will.

Anytime you win two coveted free agents for less money than other people offered, you've done quite well.
Jordan and Matthews left money on the table and guess what? DAL is scheduled to have a max spot next off-season too.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Anyone truly believing this is pretty basketball dumb.
Tyson was an 11 point 10 rebound 1.5 block guy who struggles to play 60 games a year.
DAJ is a 11 point, 17 rebound 2+ block guy who hasn't missed a game in about 4 seasons.
D12 pushed around TC in the playoffs then DAJ gave D12 all he wanted.
DAJ was all-NBA defense 1st team and finished 2nd or 3rd overall.

Monta is a scorer and charge taking defender. He is very inefficient as a scorer which is why he has now been on so many different teams.
Dallas forced him out by floating trade talk if he opted in.

Aminu is a loss, but he was also lost on offense.

Last season Dallas had a bunch of one way players. Monta, Dirk, Aminu, TC, JJB pretty much everyone.

DAJ gives them a slightly better PNR guy in 6 years younger DAJ.
Matthews gives them the guy with the 3rd most 3 pointers made in the past 5 years... behind only Curry and Korver.
And Matthews is a FAR better defender than any Mavs 2G last season.

Dallas has to fill out roster of course but they will.

Anytime you win two coveted free agents for less money than other people offered, you've done quite well.
Jordan and Matthews left money on the table and guess what? DAL is scheduled to have a max spot next off-season too.

The only person who is truly dumb is anyone who believes your drivel, and obviously what little of your basketball knowledge can be fit in a thimble. There is not a shred of evidence that points to Jordan being a better player than Chandler. The players were almost identical in win shares per 48 minutes, with Jordan actually being an inferior offensive player because of his miserable free throw shooting. Rebounding is largely a team influenced, pace stat which is why someone like Kevin Love can average 15 boards in one place and 10 in another. Jordan is a better shot blocker but he is a worse overall defender when it comes to concepts, especially compared to someone like Chandler who has actually won Defensive Player of the Year, not just made the team.
Similarly, there isn't any evidence that Matthews is better than Ellis. Last year they both had a PER of around 16... slightly better than the 15 average. Matthews is certainly different, but different is not better. He's not even in the same galaxy as Ellis when it comes to being a creator...compared to Ellis he can barely even dribble, and outside of post ups against mismatches all he can really do is shoot threes. He's a better defensive player than Ellis, but he is certainly no defensive star because of the same problem with his offense... his average level athleticism. This is all assuming he's 100% back to normal, which is a big if.
I'm glad they signed both because they would be in trouble without them but neither is even close to being a difference making upgrade and all the Mavs are is back to the level of last year... a fringe playoff team. Except now we're that unlucky team that gets to watch Jordan shoot 30 free throws in playoff games.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Anyone truly believing this is pretty basketball dumb.

Jordan and Matthews left money on the table and guess what? DAL is scheduled to have a max spot next off-season too.

Lol.. you are a hard man..

I read somewhere that the yearly average for D jordan was actually higher with the mavs because texas has no state tax. Im sure thats the same for Matthews because his offer was from a california team as well.

Edit: he did leave an extra year on the table... but with the new cba coming up, I'm sure he doesn't care.

 

[DFWJC]

This is an upgrade for Dallas.

Definitely a much better fit for Parsons' game to have Matthew at 2G.
To make this work though, getting Jordan was a must.

The team should have better offensive chemistry and is certainly better defensively.

They aren't done either.

 

[jterrell]

The only person who is truly dumb is anyone who believes your drivel, and obviously what little of your basketball knowledge can be fit in a thimble. There is not a shred of evidence that points to Jordan being a better player than Chandler. The players were almost identical in win shares per 48 minutes, with Jordan actually being an inferior offensive player because of his miserable free throw shooting. Rebounding is largely a team influenced, pace stat which is why someone like Kevin Love can average 15 boards in one place and 10 in another. Jordan is a better shot blocker but he is a worse overall defender when it comes to concepts, especially compared to someone like Chandler who has actually won Defensive Player of the Year, not just made the team.
Similarly, there isn't any evidence that Matthews is better than Ellis. Last year they both had a PER of around 16... slightly better than the 15 average. Matthews is certainly different, but different is not better. He's not even in the same galaxy as Ellis when it comes to being a creator...compared to Ellis he can barely even dribble, and outside of post ups against mismatches all he can really do is shoot threes. He's a better defensive player than Ellis, but he is certainly no defensive star because of the same problem with his offense... his average level athleticism. This is all assuming he's 100% back to normal, which is a big if.
I'm glad they signed both because they would be in trouble without them but neither is even close to being a difference making upgrade and all the Mavs are is back to the level of last year... a fringe playoff team. Except now we're that unlucky team that gets to watch Jordan shoot 30 free throws in playoff games.

Just stop while you are behind.
DAJ had the highest win shares of ANY center in basketball last year.
He is 26 and ascending.

TC is on the downward slope and has played 70 games only twice in the past 7 seasons.
TC was awful for Dallas in the playoffs.

But beyond any stupidity you toss out. TC was offered 52 million, DAJ 108 M.
Monta signed for 44 mil while Mathews top bid was 64m.
None of those things have anything to do with DAL. Those were open market other team bids.

You are not only being basketball dumb but lack common sense.
All those GMs were fighting over DAJ while leaving Tyson an afterthought for nothing.

 

[jterrell]

Lol.. you are a hard man..

I read somewhere that the yearly average for D jordan was actually higher with the mavs because texas has no state tax. Im sure thats the same for Matthews because his offer was from a california team as well.

Edit: he did leave an extra year on the table... but with the new cba coming up, I'm sure he doesn't care.

Yea, the money isn't an issue provided he stays healthy. The tax thing is a bit overblown because it is based off where you play the games so you pay NYC tax when in versus the Knicks.
It helps but it isn't as large as stated.
For DAJ hitting FA again at 29 is not a big gamble provided the guy who has been healthy as a horse stays healthy.

TC would never take short term deals because he can't stay healthy.
Cuban offered him a massive one year deal in 2011 but didn't wanna be locked into a long term deal.

DAJ wanted to be courted and he wanted to be a bigger part of the offense.
He felt he proved while Blake was injured he could score if given more touches.
He was only 7th on the Clips in shot attempts.

 

[jterrell]

Monta: He was a lot of fun to watch but his abysmal 30% 3 PT shooting and lack of passing acumen were huge limiting factors for the offense.
Monta can't shoot so he needs the ball in hands and that means no one else has it.
You are running the offense through a 6'2" tweener guard.

And defensively Monta was often out of position and just giving up buckets. He'd get some steals and take some charges but he never came close to locking anyone down.

Wes Matthews is a 3 and D guy. He is just under 40% as a 3 point shooter. He is 6'5" and 220 so you gain a lot of size and strength for defense.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Just stop while you are behind.
DAJ had the highest win shares of ANY center in basketball last year.
He is 26 and ascending.

TC is on the downward slope and has played 70 games only twice in the past 7 seasons.
TC was awful for Dallas in the playoffs.

But beyond any stupidity you toss out. TC was offered 52 million, DAJ 108 M.
Monta signed for 44 mil while Mathews top bid was 64m.
None of those things have anything to do with DAL. Those were open market other team bids.

You are not only being basketball dumb but lack common sense.
All those GMs were fighting over DAJ while leaving Tyson an afterthought for nothing.

You're an embarrassment to this board with your lack of basketball knowledge. Quoting, win shares.. you don't even know what a win share is! Chandler on the downward slope... he just had the best season of his career. Chandler awful in the playoffs? He was pretty obviously their 2nd best player after Aminu, it's clear you didn't watch a game. What a joke.

I'll slay it again slow for your befuddled brain: there might not have been two players in the NBA who were more identical last year than Chandler and Jordan. Chandler was 1st in the NBA in offensive rating; Jordan was 2nd. Jordan was 1st among centers in real plus/minus, Chandler was 3rd. They had nearly identical PERs and WS/48. They both shot a ridiculous percentage from the field, with similar usage rates and low assist numbers (Jordan is almost certainly the biggest black hole in the league).

Stop embarrassing yourself with your little soliloquies about basketball. You seem to know less about it than football, which is stunning.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Yea, the money isn't an issue provided he stays healthy. The tax thing is a bit overblown because it is based off where you play the games so you pay NYC tax when in versus the Knicks.
It helps but it isn't as large as stated.
For DAJ hitting FA again at 29 is not a big gamble provided the guy who has been healthy as a horse stays healthy.

TC would never take short term deals because he can't stay healthy.
Cuban offered him a massive one year deal in 2011 but didn't wanna be locked into a long term deal.

DAJ wanted to be courted and he wanted to be a bigger part of the offense.
He felt he proved while Blake was injured he could score if given more touches.
He was only 7th on the Clips in shot attempts.

here is how it works out when you take in consideration the Tax break for home games:

D. Jordan

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/story/1541947-mavs-deandre-the-want-to-the-how-to?s=268

For Wes its a bit different, since he left more on the table, and his contract changed when the Mavs agreed to sign D. Jordan.
Wes took a loss, but considering the organizations, its worth it...

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/7...ricks-kings-income-tax-free-agency/in/8645750