NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

[Biggems]

DAJ is an athletic freak, but aside from that, he is nothing. When his athleticism goes away, he will be left with mediocrity. He has developed no low post game, no mid range game, no outside game. He draws lots of fouls, mainly because he is a mediocre at best FT shooter. He survives on Chris Paul's alley oops on offense, and being able to dominate the glass with his athleticism and size, especially since his man tends to rotate to double up Griffin.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

DAJ is an athletic freak, but aside from that, he is nothing. When his athleticism goes away, he will be left with mediocrity. He has developed no low post game, no mid range game, no outside game. He draws lots of fouls, mainly because he is a mediocre at best FT shooter. He survives on Chris Paul's alley oops on offense, and being able to dominate the glass with his athleticism and size, especially since his man tends to rotate to double up Griffin.

I am not as much worried about that as I think his athleticism should outlast his contract. I am worried to hear about him wanting to be some kind of offensive cornerstone. He simply has not shown any penchant for doing that. He can't dribble, pass (61 assists in 82 games) or shoot free throws (40%, which to people who don't know, is really really bad). He is not going to come here in and score 20 points a game like deluded fans are thinking... he's not going to get 15 rebounds either, unless our defense improves dramatically and our players start to not care about rebounding like Blake Griffin did.

I like DJ just fine I think he is probably about 5-10% (i.e. marginal) better version of Chandler. I would rather have spent my money elsewhere... as usual the Mavs are behind the times, chasing a center in free agency (while other players are quickly being snapped up under their nose). Meanwhile, the best team in the league won in the Finals by benching their very good defensive center.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

D. Williams to NY for 10mil, 2yrs.... he's a minimal salary guy in my opinion.
Tobias Harris get 64mil, 4yrs to stay with the magic
Rondo signs for 1 yr, 10mil from Sacto

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Spurs got their man...
Aldridge to sign with SA, 4yr 80mil
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--lamarcus-aldridge-to-sign-with-spurs-161714441.html

 

[Rockport]

Spurs got their man...
Aldridge to sign with SA, 4yr 80mil
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--lamarcus-aldridge-to-sign-with-spurs-161714441.html

Going to be interesting now with who the Surs fill out the rest of the roster with. GREAT signing by the Spurs. They've won the offseason which doesn't mean much.

 

[DFWJC]

I have a long-time grad school buddy who works with Dan Fagan.
He said Cuban, Parsons, Carlisle and various Mavs basically camped out in their offices all week.

Also, I put this in another thread;
Dez and Jerry also got in on the recruiting action. DJ is a huge Cowboys fan.
I guess that can also tell us where Dez thinks he'll be long term.

 

[jterrell]

gratz to spurs.
they are now the off-season winners.

all the other guys should start signing rapidly now.

 

[jterrell]

here is how it works out when you take in consideration the Tax break for home games:

D. Jordan

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/story/1541947-mavs-deandre-the-want-to-the-how-to?s=268

For Wes its a bit different, since he left more on the table, and his contract changed when the Mavs agreed to sign D. Jordan.
Wes took a loss, but considering the organizations, its worth it...

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/7...ricks-kings-income-tax-free-agency/in/8645750

the bigger issue is lifestyle.
deron williams chose brooklyn but has since admitted he rather hates the lifestyle.
kids can't just go outside and play, schools(even VERY expensive private ones) are a real hassle to get too.
traffic is bad even with high dollar car service.
he says they get to utah (where they kept a house) as quickly as possible every year.
his kids like it more. they went to the local public school because it was great and thus lived near all their school friends.
they can just go play. he drives where he wants to go.

nba guys love ny and la for the scene but also like coming home to a spread on land in a place they can drive around with a hunting rifle in car/truck in case any fan or media goes too nuts. they like having space for the family and being where sports is a full-time obsession.

texas has been producing as much if not more nba talent than anywhere and it is starting to pay off as guys look to move back home in many cases.

the reality is the fastest growing state is texas and the fastest growing cities are in north texas.
and right now with hou, sas and dal there are 3 very good basketball teams here.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Gratz to the Spurs, hard to dislike the way the Spurs do business, although you guys here do makeit easier

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

the bigger issue is lifestyle.
deron williams chose brooklyn but has since admitted he rather hates the lifestyle.
kids can't just go outside and play, schools(even VERY expensive private ones) are a real hassle to get too.
traffic is bad even with high dollar car service.
he says they get to utah (where they kept a house) as quickly as possible every year.
his kids like it more. they went to the local public school because it was great and thus lived near all their school friends.
they can just go play. he drives where he wants to go.

nba guys love ny and la for the scene but also like coming home to a spread on land in a place they can drive around with a hunting rifle in car/truck in case any fan or media goes too nuts. they like having space for the family and being where sports is a full-time obsession.

texas has been producing as much if not more nba talent than anywhere and it is starting to pay off as guys look to move back home in many cases.

the reality is the fastest growing state is texas and the fastest growing cities are in north texas.
and right now with hou, sas and dal there are 3 very good basketball teams here.

of course lifestyle plays a part. I just wanted to provide a financial breakdown with the tax savings...(he wasn't leaving money on the table)

simply put, less expensive gas, more space, good schooling, comfortable lifestyle at a lower cost....

And the biggest thing! HOME!

 

[jterrell]

You're an embarrassment to this board with your lack of basketball knowledge. Quoting, win shares.. you don't even know what a win share is! Chandler on the downward slope... he just had the best season of his career. Chandler awful in the playoffs? He was pretty obviously their 2nd best player after Aminu, it's clear you didn't watch a game. What a joke.

I'll slay it again slow for your befuddled brain: there might not have been two players in the NBA who were more identical last year than Chandler and Jordan. Chandler was 1st in the NBA in offensive rating; Jordan was 2nd. Jordan was 1st among centers in real plus/minus, Chandler was 3rd. They had nearly identical PERs and WS/48. They both shot a ridiculous percentage from the field, with similar usage rates and low assist numbers (Jordan is almost certainly the biggest black hole in the league).

Stop embarrassing yourself with your little soliloquies about basketball. You seem to know less about it than football, which is stunning.

rofl. man it is just sad watching this type of self-immolation.
you brought up and are still bringing up win shares per 48. which is completely stupid because TC has to play 5 less minutes per game than DAJ because he is old with a bad back.
i noted the stat that actually matters is just win shares and DAJ is the best center in basketball for 2015 by that metric.
TC was closer to Brook Lopez in win shares than DAJ.
WAR, RAPM, RPM ...doesn't matter the stat... pick one. DAJ was very good at everything but hitting free throws. BETTER than TC in everything but FTs.

he was 3rd team all-nba last year and 1st team all-defense.... (but tyson was def player of the year)... yea dude in 2012 at the age DAJ will be when this contract expires, 29.

but, but but they are so similar....
perhaps TC at his prime on the occasions he happens to be healthy versus 25 year old DAJ.. yea. those guys are similar.
EXCEPT TC plays about 70 games a year at 30 mpg while DAJ plays 82 at 35.



oh and still this:
But beyond any stupidity you toss out. TC was offered 52 million, DAJ 108 M.
Monta signed for 44 mil while Mathews top bid was 64m.
None of those things have anything to do with DAL. Those were open market other team bids.

You are not only being basketball dumb but lack common sense.
All those GMs were fighting over DAJ while leaving Tyson an afterthought for nothing.

 

[jterrell]

of course lifestyle plays a part. I just wanted to provide a financial breakdown with the tax savings...(he wasn't leaving money on the table)

simply put, less expensive gas, more space, good schooling, comfortable lifestyle at a lower cost....

And the biggest thing! HOME!

ultimately he leaves 28mil on the table in raw dollars.
that is huge. and it is a gamble on staying healthy.

accounting-wise....

taxes that you quote from dallasbasketball.com forums are not wholly accurate.
that's just the flat rate and not the true factor once road games are figured in. so the reality is 13% state tax minus about 50% for road games is an effective tax difference of 7%.
80 versus 108 is a lot more than 7%.

but cost of living and all those things favor texas by a mile.
so total financial numbers are very tough to figure (marketing, endorsements and all).

for a guy like mjordan or lebron contracts are JUST the tax money.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

ultimately he leaves 28mil on the table in raw dollars.
that is huge. and it is a gamble on staying healthy.

accounting-wise....

taxes that you quote from dallasbasketball.com forums are not wholly accurate.
that's just the flat rate and not the true factor once road games are figured in. so the reality is 13% state tax minus about 50% for road games is an effective tax difference of 7%.
80 versus 108 is a lot more than 7%.

but cost of living and all those things favor texas by a mile.
so total financial numbers are very tough to figure (marketing, endorsements and all).

for a guy like mjordan or lebron contracts are JUST the tax money.

That extra year means nothing to most free agents, because guys want another big contract when the new cba comes around......
so nah.... in my opinion it made those decisions a lot easier....

 

[jterrell]

 

[jterrell]

That extra year means nothing to most free agents, because guys want another big contract when the new cba comes around......
so nah.... in my opinion it made those decisions a lot easier....

it means a lot to some and nothing to others.
tyson chandler and monta ellis both wanted 4 year deals.
jimmy butler actually opted for full long term deal as well after CHI offered him both versions.
that guaranteed money at the end of the career is very nice.

for daj he was only concerned with 4 year pitches that had the opt out after 3.
he's pretty much bigger and stronger than anyone else and has no real injury worries.
but daj didn't choose based on money. nor did wes matthews.
they both wanted to win and the basketball role to be right.

 

[Biggems]

Going to be interesting now with who the Surs fill out the rest of the roster with. GREAT signing by the Spurs. They've won the offseason which doesn't mean much.

woohoo first offseason we have won since 97.....I am happy. Still, the roster has holes, and we have very little money left to fill those holes. We need a Center and a backup G/F.

West would come cheap, but he is not a Center, he is a PF. Still, he would be a great addition off the bench. Koufos, is a Center, and would be solid off the bench. He is no world beater, but he can give you 15-20 minutes of quality basketball. I think playing for Pop would help him tremendously. Unfortunately, I don't think we can afford him.

I do not know of any available wings. I feel the Spurs have hurt themselves the last two years by failing to make draft trades that could have helped.....first missing out on Ennis a few years ago, and this year trading their first for multiple seconds and then adding SF Anthony Brown and SG Pat Connaughton. Those two would have been better than that Draft and Stash Serbian we got.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

rofl. man it is just sad watching this type of self-immolation.
you brought up and are still bringing up win shares per 48. which is completely stupid because TC has to play 5 less minutes per game than DAJ because he is old with a bad back.
i noted the stat that actually matters is just win shares and DAJ is the best center in basketball for 2015 by that metric.
TC was closer to Brook Lopez in win shares than DAJ.
WAR, RAPM, RPM ...doesn't matter the stat... pick one. DAJ was very good at everything but hitting free throws. BETTER than TC in everything but FTs.

he was 3rd team all-nba last year and 1st team all-defense.... (but tyson was def player of the year)... yea dude in 2012 at the age DAJ will be when this contract expires, 29.

but, but but they are so similar....
perhaps TC at his prime on the occasions he happens to be healthy versus 25 year old DAJ.. yea. those guys are similar.
EXCEPT TC plays about 70 games a year at 30 mpg while DAJ plays 82 at 35.



oh and still this:
But beyond any stupidity you toss out. TC was offered 52 million, DAJ 108 M.
Monta signed for 44 mil while Mathews top bid was 64m.
None of those things have anything to do with DAL. Those were open market other team bids.

You are not only being basketball dumb but lack common sense.
All those GMs were fighting over DAJ while leaving Tyson an afterthought for nothing.

LOL, what a joke it is when children try to attempt to understand stats. "You" noted the stat that actually matters? LOL! You don't even know what a win share is. You don't even watch basketball going by the drivel you produce. I'll say it one more time for you: there might not have been two players in the NBA who were more identical last year than Chandler and Jordan. Chandler was 1st in the NBA in offensive rating; Jordan was 2nd. Jordan was 1st among centers in real plus/minus, Chandler was 3rd. They had nearly identical PERs and WS/48. They both shot a ridiculous percentage from the field, with similar usage rates and low assist numbers (Jordan is almost certainly the biggest black hole in the league).

And LOL at anyone bringing up the all-defensive team as some kind of barometer for defense. Further proof you don't even watch basketball and think blocking shots and vulturing rebounds is defense. It's common knowledge that Jordan is not in the discussion when it comes to the better defensive centers in the league. The Clippers posted stronger defensive marks when he was off the floor.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/who-is-nba-defensive-player-of-the-year-its-not-deandre-jordan/

Now go back to playing NBA 2K or whatever it is you do when you're not trolling here. Leave the actual analysis to people who watch the game, and proceed with your boring opinions about free agency.

 

[DFWJC]

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[DFWJC]

Lin is next for the Mavs.
If so

C: Jordan
PF: Dirk
SF: Parsons
SG: Mathews
PG: Lin/Harris

Not bad

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Lin is next for the Mavs.
If so

C: Jordan
PF: Dirk
SF: Parsons
SG: Mathews
PG: Lin/Harris

Not bad

Lin very quietly had a decent season last year among the Lakers mess. But he does need the ball in his hands, so I'm not sure where that takes us with our "supposed" offense of Parsons running point forward. While obviously no Rondo, I'm not really sure Lin would beat Felton in 3 point shooting contest... so not really an upgrade if he's just going to bring the ball up and space floor. Having said that, I'm not 100% sold that Rick is planning on running the offense the way the media thinks he is.