Again, not my point and not what I was saying. I was saying Jordan had no one to stop him from winning 6, because he was that much better than his 90s rivals, and the way the NBA is looking now, it looks like Lebron will have an opportunity to accomplish something similar, because I don't see any team that will be able to challenge them going forward, unless OKC or LAC can add another star player.
Nobody could stop Jordan because he was just that much better than anybody else. He was facing guys like Ewing and Olajuwan, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone and John Stockton. I mean, the list goes on who he had to go play against, and these were guys that were hitting their prime.
The fact that you compare the Eastern conference of Lebron to Jordan's Eastern conference is laughable. Miami Heat has trouble with big men, and Lebron has to face guys like Hibbert, who goes for stretches of zero to two point games. Lebron hasn't faced D Rose in three years with his stacked Miami roster, had no Brooks to play against, an aging Brooklyn (and your comparing them to Detroit LOL) and a hurt Al Jefferson just this year. Hell, Lebron bouncing right at the time D Rose was making his ascent before the injury couldn't have come at a better time.
This is also the era of free agency, where teams can collect big players, just like in football. In the 80s teams had to develop their dynasties, while now, it's just paid for.
First off, Allen Iverson and the 76ers weren't relevant during Lebron's Cleveland tenure. Maybe his rookie year, but his accomplishment is irrelevant. Second, Dwight had a much better supporting cast. How many teammates did Lebron have that averaged 15+ppg? 1. What about Dwight? 3. How many teammates did Lebron have that averaged 4+ apg? 1. What about Dwight? 3. How many teammates did Lebron have that averaged more than 1 spg? 1 (same guy for all 3 BTW). What about Dwight? 4. Rebounds and Blocks were the only categories that Cleveland's supporting cast excelled in vs Orlando's.
How is it not relevant when Iverson was playing in the same decade and era as Lebron and the players were essentially the same? That's utterly asinine. Who was Lebron playing against in the Eastern conference? Who did Iverson have? Who did Dwight have? And it's utterly asinine to say all Orlando was topped in by Cleveland was rebounds and blocks. That indicates that Cleveland had a better inside presence, which they did and it substantiates that Cleveland was getting more opportunities. When Dwight left, just like when Lebron left, you see the clear effect of his departure on the franchise. Orland was starting the same three players.
This has already been debunked, Lebron's career ppg or higher in the playoffs
When you negate two years of not making the play-offs, going from 21 to 29, it drops. When you compare it to Jordan, it's not even close.
Rodman had yet to take off in 91'. It was his first full season starting and he put up 8ppg and 12.5rpg. Very good numbers, but not HOF numbers. Next year (at this point Isiah and Lambieer were done) Rodman put up his first of seven consecutive seasons of 14.9 rpg or better (18.7 to be exact).
LOL, Rodman wasn't the superstar in a traditional sense. He was never known as a scorer and 12.5 was legitimate rebounding numbers for a rookie, and playing small forward at the time, and that era. And Rodman didn't just provide numbers, he was all over the place and provided plenty of defense. Rodman was the best defensive player in the game by 1989 and won the defensive player of the year that very year. He was on NBA's first team All-defensive team from 89 to 1993, when he next placed second and back to first. His impact was felt their very second championship team. In 1991-92, he got 18 rebounds. I don't know what your talking about when you say Rodman had not yet taken off. The guy was one of, if not the most dominant defensive player in the game by 91.
And the very first year Jordan went to the finals, they had beaten Detroit 3 times out of their four game series, meaning the Bulls established themselves by taking it from them. They were the third best team record wise, the second best the Celtics and the Bulls first. The Celtics had 56 wins, with Detroit at 50. And Detroit beat the Celtics in the playoffs 4-2 to go meet the Bulls. During the regular season, they split the series with Boston 2-2. They pretty much had all their starting five outside of Mahorn who was replaced as the starter by Rodman who was killing it and lost to the Bulls.
Constant improvements in their records? In 1989, they won 63 games, In 1990, they won 59 games, in 1991, they won 50 games, how is that constant improvement? And Aguire didn't batter anyone, let alone Jordan and all of Bill Lambieer's number dropped/
LOL, I was talking about Detroit when Jordan finally beat them. They were making constant improvements as a general trend when Jordan beat them. 52, 54, 63, 59, 50. That 50 win season was the year Jordan won and three of the losses of Detroit came at their hands in the regular season, two from the Celtics. And the Celtics they beat handily. Jordan took over.
.....So much to correct, for starters Jordan's dad died AFTER the 1993 finals against the suns....not the sonics. And how was 1996 Payton's peak? The next season he scored more points, 2 seasons after that he scored more points and dished more assists. Each of the next 6 seasons he grabbed more rebounds.
And that Sonics team was stacked? Is that really the word you want to go with?
Sorry, that was the Father's Day performance of Jordan in the finals.
As far as Payton, notice what I stated:
1996 was Gary Payton's peak in terms of overall performance. He had 231 steals. In fact, it was Payton that Karl shifted to Jordan in game 3, which made Jordan put up his lowest numbers ever in the finals, averaging around 26-27. That was also the finals his father was murdered so that also played into it. Payton that year had his best shooting percentage ever and one of his upper scoring games. That team was stacked. And please don't compare Griffith to Kemp, especially defensively. And Schremph was a three time all-star and phenomenal.
Notice the emphasis on steals and defending Jordan in regards to Peyton. Notice also he was shooting his best percentage and one of his best seasons scoring wise. His steals dwarf anything he ever did afterwards.
