NCAA Tournament Thread - March Madness

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's a good debate anyway.
I think Brad Dougherty was maybe the best center they ever had. Pairing him with Perkins and Jordan and Smith was sick. And Jordan in 83-84 was far better than the year before.
But you're right, that team was amzing...and James Worthy was amazing.

Teams were WAY better back then anyway b/c fewer left and when they did, it was much later.

New orleans has been good tot he Heels! 1982 and 2003 titles.

But losing (or severly hampering) the NCAA leader in assists would be crushing. Marshall is so valuable.

Brad was a very good Center, no question. Those teams, later, ran the best High Post offense with Brad, Wolf and Popson later. Was almost unstoppable. Black was a Senior and I think that while Smith was more talented, Black was more experienced and had a better command of the offense. I would take either one. Worthy, he was the difference to me. He was too big for small forwards and Guards to stop and he was to quick for Big Forwards or Centers to stop. On the wing, he was murder. Would be interesting to have seen those two teams play each other if it were possible. The things you day dream about right?

 

[DFWJC]

Brad was a very good Center, no question. Those teams, later, ran the best High Post offense with Brad, Wolf and Popson later. Was almost unstoppable. Black was a Senior and I think that while Smith was more talented, Black was more experienced and had a better command of the offense. I would take either one. Worthy, he was the difference to me. He was too big for small forwards and Guards to stop and he was to quick for Big Forwards or Centers to stop. On the wing, he was murder. Would be interesting to have seen those two teams play each other if it were possible. The things you day dream about right?

Other than Phil Ford, Black may have run the offense better than anyone. He was also a better defender than Smith. I'm gald you added Wolfe to the mix...as he and Popson along with Brad Dougherty and Perkins was crazy.

Brad was not just a "very good" center. He was one of the best centers in NCAA history and was very similar David Robinson in skill set. He would get you 20 and 10 every night. If he had played anywhere other than Cleveland, people would have known more about him inthe NBA too. He still was an all-star seemingly every year. I think he was an All star 5 straight years but retired very early to be a NASCAR team owner.

And again:Jordan in 1984 >>>> Jordan in 1982.
Hate to say it, but Knight outcoached Dean Smith in the NCAA tourney disaster. Oh well. With no point guard, it would have been tough.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Other than Phil Ford, Black may have run the offense better than anyone. He was also a better defender than Smith. I'm gald you added Wolfe to the mix...as he and Popson along with Brad Dougherty and Perkins was crazy.

Brad was not just a "very good" center. He was one of the best centers in NCAA history and was very similar David Robinson in skill set. He would get you 20 and 10 every night. If he had played anywhere other than Cleveland, people would have known more about him inthe NBA too. He still was an all-star seemingly every year. I think he was an All star 5 straight years but retired very early to be a NASCAR team owner.

And again:Jordan in 1984 >>>> Jordan in 1982.
Hate to say it, but Knight outcoached Dean Smith in the NCAA tourney disaster. Oh well. With no point guard, it would have been tough.

I always thought that Brad Daugherty was a lot like Tim Duncan, although Duncan was a much better shot blocker.

 

[DFWJC]

I always thought that Brad Daugherty was a lot like Tim Duncan, although Duncan was a much better shot blocker.

You're right. I meant to say Duncan...not sure why Robinison popped in my head.
Yeah, Dougherty and Duncan were very similar in many ways. I suspect they both led the ACC in both scoring and rebounding their final seasons as well. Of course, Duncan was better....but both were great.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're right. I meant to say Duncan...not sure why Robinison popped in my head.
Yeah, Dougherty and Duncan were very similar in many ways. I suspect they both led the ACC in both scoring and rebounding their final seasons as well. Of course, Duncan was better....but both were great.

He was a better shot blocker but I don't think he was better defensively. I think that Daugherty was the better rebounder as well but there are no stats for that. If you look at the two, scoring, it's pretty close. Daugherty was a bit better in FG% and FT% but Duncan scored more. That's really not too surprising as Duncan was the primary focal point of the Wake offense from the time he was a Freshman, Daugherty was not. Even so, they are very close statistically.

 

[DFWJC]

Oh well, Kendall Marshall had surgery on his right wrist today.

It's not 100% sure that UNC will be without the nation's assist leader, but at best they will get a severely hampered Marshall. The problem for them is worse b/c they lost his best backup early in the season as well.

In any case, the tourney is going to fun to watch in all regions.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Oh well, Kendall Marshall had surgery on his right wrist today.

It's not 100% sure that UNC will be without the nation's assist leader, but at best they will get a severely hampered Marshall. The problem for them is worse b/c they lost his best backup early in the season as well.

In any case, the tourney is going to fun to watch in all regions.

they probably can take Ohio without him but who knows maybe he will have a remarkable Danny Zuccoesque recovery and play Friday.

 

[BigWillie]

The rumors from the UNC guys is that he will likely be out or VERY limited against Ohio. However, they expect him to be ready for the game on Sunday, should UNC advance.

I'm guessing UNC wishes they had not blown off Pierre Jackson over the summer right now. UNC briefly recruited him in a search for a backup PG, but instead decided Dexter Strickland and Stillman White (in emergency) could handle the backup duties. Pierre is now starring for Baylor, and UNC may rely on Stillman to get them to a regional final. Ouch.

 

[Muhast]

I picked Marquette to win it all this year on my bracket. I didn't really have anything to base it on besides there is always a team that sneaks up on everyone. They have a relatively easy part of the bracket. If they beat FLA, I feel comfortable with them against Mich State. That vaults them into the final 4.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The rumors from the UNC guys is that he will likely be out or VERY limited against Ohio. However, they expect him to be ready for the game on Sunday, should UNC advance.

I'm guessing UNC wishes they had not blown off Pierre Jackson over the summer right now. UNC briefly recruited him in a search for a backup PG, but instead decided Dexter Strickland and Stillman White (in emergency) could handle the backup duties. Pierre is now starring for Baylor, and UNC may rely on Stillman to get them to a regional final. Ouch.

UNC could not take Jackson. Not enough scholarships available. Teams don't typically carry more then three PGs on a team.

 

[BigWillie]

UNC could not take Jackson. Not enough scholarships available. Teams don't typically carry more then three PGs on a team.

Yes, they could. UNC had the extra scholarship once Larry Drew transferred. Due to LD2 transferring, Roy was searching for an extra PG into late March. Sam Grooms and Pierre Jackson were recruited, but neither offered, before Stillman White ended up taking the last scholarship.

UNC really only carried one PG this year. UNC's primary backup was Dexter Strickland, who was the starting SG. Stillman was the only other true PG, but as I said, he didn't come aboard until late March last year.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm guessing UNC wishes they had not blown off Pierre Jackson over the summer right now. UNC briefly recruited him in a search for a backup PG, but instead decided Dexter Strickland and Stillman White (in emergency) could handle the backup duties. Pierre is now starring for Baylor, and UNC may rely on Stillman to get them to a regional final. Ouch.

I don't think you can count on losing an outstanding backup in Strickland and then also losing the starter. Stick had a great handle and was outstanding defensively.
That's awfully flukey losing them both.

It sounds like it worked out better for Jackson anyway....so we should be happy for the guy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, they could. UNC had the extra scholarship once Larry Drew transferred. Due to LD2 transferring, Roy was searching for an extra PG into late March. Sam Grooms and Pierre Jackson were recruited, but neither offered, before Stillman White ended up taking the last scholarship.

UNC really only carried one PG this year. UNC's primary backup was Dexter Strickland, who was the starting SG. Stillman was the only other true PG, but as I said, he didn't come aboard until late March last year.

No, that's not correct. Recruiting in college basketball is really a two year process. Had they used that scholarship on Jackson or Grooms, they would not have been able to take Marcus Paige this upcoming season or Nate Britt in the 2013 season, of which Roy likes better. If you want to say that Roy's evaluation of the talent is not good, OK but Carolina did not have the scholarships to sign Jackson. Stillman White was a kid that Carolina brought in to run the scout team. He was not a guy they brought in to start. Jackson would have wanted to be the starter and he would not have beaten out Marshall or Paige/Britt. That's the reality of it at the time the decision was made.

 

[BigWillie]

No, that's not correct. Recruiting in college basketball is really a two year process. Had they used that scholarship on Jackson or Grooms, they would not have been able to take Marcus Paige this upcoming season or Nate Britt in the 2013 season, of which Roy likes better. If you want to say that Roy's evaluation of the talent is not good, OK but Carolina did not have the scholarships to sign Jackson. Stillman White was a kid that Carolina brought in to run the scout team. He was not a guy they brought in to start. Jackson would have wanted to be the starter and he would not have beaten out Marshall or Paige/Britt. That's the reality of it at the time the decision was made.

Again, no.

Pierre or Sam would have zero impact on a '13 player. Both would have been graduated.

Pierre or Sam would have committed before scholarships went out to Brice Johnson and Joel James.

UNC would not have available scholarships - that is if you believe that UNC will be bringing back Henson, Barnes and Marshall next season. Right now, even with the possibility of them returning, UNC would be on the limit of 13 scholarships.

Even most UNC 'insiders' are of the opinion that Kendall will leave after this season.

To say that Roy could not, or would not have 3 PGs is untrue. Just in recent history, look at his recruitment of Larry Drew, even with Lawson and Frasor already on the roster.

Pierre was not recruited to be a starter by anyone. That is only in hindsight, now that people are capable of seeing what he has done. At the time, Pierre was a little known JUCO PG from Idaho who folks had little or no idea about. His only two offers were from Creighton and Baylor.

 

[DFWJC]

Pierre was not recruited to be a starter by anyone. That is only in hindsight, now that people are capable of seeing what he has done. At the time, Pierre was a little known JUCO PG from Idaho who folks had little or no idea about. His only two offers were from Creighton and Baylor.

There you have it.
Nobody is perfect.

 

[DFWJC]

The Madness continues.

Down goes a number one seed Michaigan State.

More on the docket tonight. Hopefully UNC advances.

 

[Aikbach]

Sic Em!

 

[MC KAos]

so...there is one of two things wrong here...

either 1)my tv is broken or 2)someone had a pocket full of highlighters when they did the laundry for Baylor

 

[StevenOtero]

so...there is one of two things wrong here...

either 1)my tv is broken or 2)someone had a pocket full of highlighters when they did the laundry for Baylor

lol, I know right? I learned during the game that Baylor designates that color as "electricity".

 

[MC KAos]

lol, I know right? I learned during the game that Baylor designates that color as "electricity".

:laugh2:

i call it IHME, it hurts my eyes!