Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[CowboyMcCoy]

ill leave this here

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Sorry, bud, this isn't about race.

 

[iceberg]

He'd still have you, and many other posters, believe he's right when he isn't. To me it serves to show that the arrogant tone taken towards others is unwarranted. You can't tell me testimony was given to the police. Even in the context if/when/where he signed it, it's still only a sworn statement. Statements are admissible, but only if he's been mirandized. Someone who doesn't get that has no business commenting on the matter. I was going to stay out of the thread until I started reading EB's nonsense.

so by what you know, and i've read, you know for a fact that zimmerman is a gun toting tripper happy nitwit, or something to that effect.

it's statements like that which push me out of the argument cause it's purely emotional and tells me even if he goes on trial and is found innocent, many will be mad as hell cause it didn't meet THEIR version of justice being called for now.

gonna try to bow out again as emotions are taking over once more.

 

[trickblue]

Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson do not represent every Black person (Some think that they do). A person should pay no matter who is the race of the person that they killed.

They don't represent all Blacks anymore than the racist against Trayvon represent all White people. Some who think that wearing a Hoodie equals dressing like a "Thug" or "Hoodlum"

Yep... I agree, but the media doesn't do anything but give them center stage and fuel their fire (and pocketbooks)...

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Nevermind. I don't have 60 pages to explain that this situation is bigger than the 2 people involved in it.

You are exactly where the media wants you to be, bro. That's fine.

My views on this case has to do with the 911 calls and how I feel this went down. The Media does not control how I think about a story.


I also see people on Zimmerman's side jumping to what they see as the "Facts" like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind as he was walking back to his truck and know something comes out that Trayvon walked up to Zimmerman and punched him in the face causing him to fall backwards and to hit his head.

So the two different accounts of how Zimmerman was attacked don't match up, yet his defenders jump on the 'he was attacked from behind' Bandwagon.

Some are jumping to the conclusion that Trayvon is at fault from the "evidence" that supports Zimmerman's side before this even has the chance to go to the Grand Jury who will or will not be able to say if Zimmerman will be arrested.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Looks like they were arrested from this pictures am I wrong? If they were roaming free then yes I think that there would and should be outrage.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Very, very sad.

 

[vta]

He'd still have you, and many other posters, believe he's right when he isn't. To me it serves to show that the arrogant tone taken towards others is unwarranted. You can't tell me testimony was given to the police. Even in the context if/when/where he signed it, it's still only a sworn statement. Statements are admissible, but only if he's been mirandized. Someone who doesn't get that has no business commenting on the matter. I was going to stay out of the thread until I started reading EB's nonsense.

Right about what? He's taking the stance that for the most part no one has enough evidence to join in on the lunch mob. His use of a word, correct or not doesn't really undercut his reasoning. In fact he's talking sense in that regard.

The only people talking concrete are the ones already laying out charges and what should be done to Zimmerman.

The hard fact is, not one of us really knows what happened and we can't rely on our own subjective views of our own ability to decipher bits and pieces into a cohesive picture and think we can be taken seriously.

 

[Dallas]

That someone is probably going to get hurt, like they have in the past, with these ***-hats getting involved and inciting the worst.

Considering the 'media' actually gives credibility, to Sharpton especially, despite his horrendous past is a very big picture to gauge their worthiness on.

The guy talking sense in that article won't make nearly as much impact, despite him being reasonable.

Isn't it strange that everytime you see these things you have the Jessie Jacksons and the Sharptons and the Louis Farhahakhans all stirring it up?

Who's really the haters, hmm?

Makes you wonder. It's a travesty that people honestly think for a second these folks give a ratz PATOOT about the young boy who was killed.

This terrible ordeal was thrown out the window weeks ago. It isn't about the young man anymore.

This is a national stage. I have to dust off my Rainbow Coalition buttons now. I might could be important again.

Terrible

 

[rkell87]

Sorry, bud, this isn't about race.

i didn't say it was, the picture says something about it but that isn't why i posted it, but since we are on the subject i believe this threads title used to start with the word white...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

so by what you know, and i've read, you know for a fact that zimmerman is a gun toting tripper happy nitwit, or something to that effect.

it's statements like that which push me out of the argument cause it's purely emotional and tells me even if he goes on trial and is found innocent, many will be mad as hell cause it didn't meet THEIR version of justice being called for now.

gonna try to bow out again as emotions are taking over once more.

What part don't you get about probable cause? Yes, I said that it sounds like a case with some trigger happy, unqualified person with a gun policing the streets when he's not fit for this sort of duty.

Also, I pointed out that a system--the hood watch system--that lets an untrained, uneducated, unqualified person police the streets is a broken one. Just like the broken system who hasn't stepped up and arrested this guy on probable cause.... It was pointed out to me that the NHW system doesn't allow for toting guns. So why do are we perceiving this as his defense before he's even arrested?

I'm not saying he's guilty yet. I'm saying there is enough probable cause for the police to do their job and arrest him.

But they have better things to do like sit on a dead, unidentified body for 3 days.

You'd think more people would have pointed that out by now and distinguished between the two phases of the legal system, i.e. probable cause and/or the burden of proof in a trial. These are two totally different things.

Distinguish?

Nope.

I'm the one who needs to step back though. Because I need to "get my fact straight"... right?

 

[Dallas]

so by what you know, and i've read, you know for a fact that zimmerman is a gun toting tripper happy nitwit, or something to that effect.

it's statements like that which push me out of the argument cause it's purely emotional and tells me even if he goes on trial and is found innocent, many will be mad as hell cause it didn't meet THEIR version of justice being called for now.

gonna try to bow out again as emotions are taking over once more.

ExactoMUNDO!!!!!!


ice,

How many people in this thread would you pick to be on your jury?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

That someone is probably going to get hurt, like they have in the past, with these ***-hats getting involved and inciting the worst.
Considering the 'media' actually gives credibility, to Sharpton especially, despite his horrendous past is a very big picture to gauge its worthiness on. [i.e. what else are they lying about?]

The guy talking sense in that article won't make nearly as much impact, despite him being reasonable.

Well I hope that no one gets hurt because it will not help the issues at all that this country has.


I don't care what the races are, I don't agree with anyone inciting hatred of any other race. This is why I don't agree with the Black Panthers. Some of the Media gives credit to Al Sharpton and than there are others who give credit to the likes of Rivera on Fox news who said that Trayvon's Hoodie was to blame for his death just as much as Zimmerman and that Black/minority parents should not allow thier kids to wear Hoodies.

 

[TheCount]

testimony n. oral evidence given under oath by a witness in answer to questions posed by attorneys at trial or at a deposition (questioning under oath outside of court)


you guys are getting beaten up so badly with the known evidence, you are now arguing semantics, and can't even do that right.

That's funny because I was just about to tell you that I think you're losing it. You've gone from "playing devils advocate" to flinging feces.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Right about what? He's taking the stance that for the most part no one has enough evidence to join in on the lunch mob. His use of a word, correct or not doesn't really undercut his reasoning. In fact he's talking sense in that regard.

The only people talking concrete are the ones already laying out charges and what should be done to Zimmerman.

The hard fact is, not one of us really knows what happened and we can't rely on our own subjective views of our own ability to decipher bits and pieces into a cohesive picture and think we can be taken seriously.

I know a few facts.

1) Zimmerman is entitled to a self-defense defense in trial.
2) Zimmerman knowingly and intentionally shot and killed the victim.
3) The said victim is not known to have committed any sort of crime against Zimmerman or otherwise
4) Zimmerman can lawfully carry a gun
5) Zimmerman's watch group said that they're not supposed to carry guns for neighborhood watch
6) It's possible that Zimmerman can abuse his right to carry a gun
7) Nothing criminal was found on the victim--no drugs, no stolen property. The evidence tells me he was at the store, getting some tea and stuff
8) The police never tried to contact the next of kin after he was killed
9) Zimmerman had no obligation to follow the victim
10) The victim could have been acting in self-defens whilst someone was chasing him.
11) Probable cause holds a much lower standard of proof
12) Zimmerman killed Trayvon
13) Zimmerman won't be questioned by a court of law in trial as it stands now



He killed someone knowingly and intentionally.

So what are the police waiting for?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That's funny because I was just about to tell you that I think you're losing it. You've gone from "playing devils advocate" to flinging feces.

It's bad enough that he's doing it. It's worse that he's doing it and doesn't know he's doing it.

 

[BlueStar3398]

ill leave this here

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This is horrific. Investigation Discovery did a story on it.
I think some of these guys just got a new trial.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Makes you wonder. It's a travesty that people honestly think for a second these folks give a ratz PATOOT about the young boy who was killed.

You may not care, but I do. That's really the only issue to me right now.

 

[iceberg]

ExactoMUNDO!!!!!!


ice,

How many people in this thread would you pick to be on your jury?

not many.

 

[Dallas]

This is horrific. Investigation Discovery did a story on it.
I think some of these guys just got a new trial.

It is terrible huh? I wonder if anyone called those families. Christopher could pass for my son. WoW!

 

[iceberg]

What part don't you get about probable cause? Yes, I said that it sounds like a case with some trigger happy, unqualified person with a gun policing the streets when he's not fit for this sort of duty.
...

I'm the one who needs to step back though. Because I need to "get my fact straight"... right?

i said *everyone* out of the water, didn't i?

when you call someone names like that, i find it hard to believe you'll ever objective to them about their story. that's all i'm saying.