Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[iceberg]

I at least think that a family losing a loved one in such a way deserves to have the case go to trail. Putting myself in Trayvon's parents shoes it like their sons life is not respected enough for even a trail or to test Zimmerman for drugs.

do all people who kill in self defense get arrested and put to trial?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

do all people who kill in self defense get arrested and put to trial?

Depends on what happens. Like I said before if Trayvon had of broken into ZImmerman's house and got shot, then I would see that as clear Self Defense.


This is not clear enough and you may disagree to me and others enough for Zimmerman to avoid trail all together.


This is the quote by the way of Zimmerman's lawyer saying that Stand Your Ground will be used. I would not just make up something , just to "win" a debate.

Sonner said the so-called “Stand Your Ground” law, under which a person who feels threatened is not required to retreat and can “meet force with force” if attacked, will be applicable in the case.

 

[iceberg]

Depends on what happens.

i'll wait for all the facts to be known then. thank you.

 

[Dallas]

i'll wait for all the facts to be known then. thank you.

Don't let the facts being known stop you. Jump right in and claim you have it all figured out, like some here CLEARLY are doing.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Link


http://www.classichitsandoldies.com...zimmerman-will-use-stand-your-ground-defense/

May to move the goal posts.

First you say the police cited it, as a reason to not arrest.

I said wrong, posted a link showing why you are wrong.

You then said the lawyer would use is as their defense. I said, wrong, posted a link explaining why you are wrong.

Now you post a link saying that stand your ground would be applicable.

I’ll give you credit for this one, atleast you finally have a link that matches what you were claiming.

He didn’t outright say it was the defense he would be using, but then I would be going down the same lame semantic debate you guys did with that ridiculous testimony argument

So bravo. You finally found some facts more recent then the ones I was using. 43 pages in, and I actually learned something new.

 

[joseephuss]

testimony n. oral evidence given under oath by a witness in answer to questions posed by attorneys at trial or at a deposition (questioning under oath outside of court)


you guys are getting beaten up so badly with the known evidence, you are now arguing semantics, and can't even do that right.

I don't follow. What do you mean that this argument about semantics is wrong? And I did say it was nit picky when I questioned the use of the term testimony. As far as I can see, the term testimony does not apply here. At least legally.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I don't follow. What do you mean that this argument about semantics is wrong? And I did say it was nit picky when I questioned the use of the term testimony. As far as I can see, the term testimony does not apply here. At least legally.

in context, the person laughing at me claimed: "Testimony" applies strictly to judicial proceedings, which I pointed out isn't correct either.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

May to move the goal posts.

First you say the police cited it, as a reason to not arrest.

I said wrong, posted a link showing why you are wrong.

You then said the lawyer would use is as their defense. I said, wrong, posted a link explaining why you are wrong.

Now you post a link saying that stand your ground would be applicable.

I’ll give you credit for this one, atleast you finally have a link that matches what you were claiming.

He didn’t outright say it was the defense he would be using, but then I would be going down the same lame semantic debate you guys did with that ridiculous testimony argument

So bravo. You finally found some facts more recent then the ones I was using. 43 pages in, and I actually learned something new.

Alright then. We see things differently but at least have debated in a respectful manner.

Whatever happens I feel bad for Trayvon's parents, a parent should never have to bury their child and they will be in pain for a long time whether or not Zimmerman is proved innocent or guilty.


I was wrong about the police using Stand Your Ground as a reason not to arrest but they still used a reason for Self Defense not to arrest and I don't think that every single person who claims Self Defense would avoid arrest.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Interesting that you post a link that you believes proves one point and in doing show disprove another that you yourself made. :laugh2:

I thought so, too.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Who at this point hasn't? All anyone has to use for their view are reports from our great media. Either it's a useful source of information or it's all worthless ****.

In this case it's useless. The media isn't usually a useful source for legal definitions.

On one hand, he's arguing the media is taking lies an running with them. On the other hand, he's arguing the media source is correct in calling Zimmerman's statements testimony.

Do you see the pattern yet?

 

[trickblue]

Interesting...

Former NAACP leader accuses Sharpton and Jackson of ‘exploiting’ Trayvon Martin
Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack."

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business.”

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.

But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”

Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.

More​

 

[iceberg]

testimony n. oral evidence given under oath by a witness in answer to questions posed by attorneys at trial or at a deposition (questioning under oath outside of court). (See: testify, trial, deposition, evidence, witness)



http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/testimony

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deposition
:bang2:

In this case it's useless. The media isn't usually a useful source for legal definitions.

On one hand, he's arguing the media is taking lies an running with them. On the other hand, he's arguing the media source is correct in calling Zimmerman's statements testimony.

Do you see the pattern yet?

sorta.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

testimony n. oral evidence given under oath by a witness in answer to questions posed by attorneys at trial or at a deposition (questioning under oath outside of court)


you guys are getting beaten up so badly with the known evidence, you are now arguing semantics, and can't even do that right.

You obviously can't read. See "deposition". Then take a good laugh at yourself--not look, "laugh". I am.

:laugh2:

 

[Dallas]

Maybe not on this end, but if he were acquitted... same thing...

The press continues to make this a white/black race issue. Maybe it was racial, but it certainly wasn't White/Black. It was Hispanic/Black. I don't pretend to know what happened, I just want justice served...

The press and race-baiters are driving this now...

Here's a Google News Search under the term "White Hispanic"... 864 news items...

Had you ever heard the term "White Hispanic" before this case?

It's silly and amazingly transparent...

I am bumping this thread because TB has once again shown you exactly what you are completly ignoring in this thread.

Job well done Trick... Shine the light on the UGLY.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

the police said he cooperated fully. If he lawyer-ed up, I imagine they would of had probably cause for an arrest.


just speculation on my part.

I'd say...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

sorta.

So is the media not worthy because they're "running with lies"?

Should we believe them when they say Zimmerman gave legal "testimony"?

I'm just curious.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So anyone can use that law , claim Self Defense and avoid trail?


You can have all of the reasons that you want to as far as trusting the SPD's word for it, but can't be surprised that others do not trust their word and it's the SPD's fault that a lot do not trust how they handled the investigation.

You said yourself that they were unprofessional, unprofessional Police work is not something that we should just accept and be okay with and take what they do seriously, when they don't think their jobs seriously enough for a complete investigation? When they test the body of the Dead KId and not the killer? When they may have let the Killer go home without testing his clothes or Gun?

Let's make it okay for Police Departments to be unprofessional and accept the evidence that may have been collected in an unprofessional manner.


By the way Zimmerman's lawyer said he was going to defend his client under Stand Your Ground. No matter what Self Defense law it was under, one person who claimed Self Defense was arrested and charged and the other wasn't

Don't confuse him. He thinks an arrest and trial are the same thing.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

You obviously can't read. See "deposition". Then take a good laugh at yourself--not look, "laugh". I am.

:laugh2:

c : out-of-court testimony made under oath and recorded by an authorized officer for later use in court; also : a meeting at which such testimony is taken

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

romo to dez - to me it's crap like this that make a trial useless at this point. if he's found innocent, do you then go "wow, i was wrong" or do you lash out at people for not doing their jobs?

Like most defense lawyers have said, he would likely be found not guilty because of the way the police botched the investigation.

It's a no-brainer. He should be arrested for now. My guess is he likely soon will be.

 

[vta]

Interesting...

Former NAACP leader accuses Sharpton and Jackson of ‘exploiting’ Trayvon Martin
Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack."

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Jackson, for example, recently said Martin’s death shows how “blacks are under attack” and “targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business.”

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, killed Martin, a 17-year-old black man who was unarmed at the time of his death, last month. Zimmerman has claimed to have shot Martin in self-defense and has not been charged with a crime.

But Bryant, who explores the topic of black-on-black crime in his new film “Runaway Slave,” said people like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”

Bryant said he wishes civil rights leaders were protesting those problems.

More​

Nothing new there. Those two would have no purpose if not for exploiting the misery of others.