Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[StanleySpadowski]

It's a shame that this kid is dead but does it really surprise anyone that he came from a broken home, was a drug user and handled a situation with violence rather than rational words?

 

[iceberg]

You're out of here because I just brought up a very valid point. 2-3 hours isn't squat. You know that.

So poor Zimmerman said he was being beat up. Grow a set. What ever happened to being a man and fighting your battles without weapons?

Anyway, have fun! :laugh2:

Why are people's minds made up? Because this stinks to high heaven of some trigger happy moron taking someone's innocent life.

If only everyone only got 2-3 hours for a murder investigation, we'd have less murderers.

If you call that an "investigation", I have to wonder.

I wasn't the one assuming.

not assuming at all, no.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

not assuming at all, no.

Keep up?

I was talking about the conversation between Dallas an I re: assumptions. Reread that please.

Then I also said we have to make logical assumptions about what happened. Given that I think that Zimmerman had no right to kill Trayvon, I think it's safe to assume he should be tried for murder.

If I assume the sun will come up tomorrow, is that logical enough?

Again, put what I was saying in its proper context and you never even think about the cutsie wootsie reply.

I'm sorry you're unable to see the injustice here.

I'm assuming you're just to afraid to make the logical connection to assume he should be arrested.

 

[Dallas]

I wasn't the one assuming.

Yes you were assuming. Spin it however you want. You said and I quote

You may not care, but I do. That's really the only issue to me right now.

Where did I say I didn't care? I never said that. You said that and now look at you trying to dance around that YOU WERE NOT and trying to paint me otherwise. Rush to judge, its your M.O., users aren't stupid.

 

[iceberg]

Keep up?

I was talking about the conversation between Dallas an I re: assumptions. Reread that please.

Then I also said we have to make logical assumptions about what happened. Given that I think that Zimmerman had no right to kill Trayvon, I think it's safe to assume he should be tried for murder.

I assume the sun will come up tomorrow. Is that logical enough?

Again, put what I was saying in its proper context and you never even think about the cutsie wootsie reply.

the point is you're calling zimmerman every name you can think of based off heresay evidence in the media.

anyone suggesting we slow down is now a "target" to a degree.

you assume zimmeman is a trigger happy moron. to prove it, name ANY OTHER TIME he's shot a gun at someone.

if you can't, you'r making assumptions then letting those define zimmerman.

if you don't get what i'm saying let's just move along cause now you assume i can't see the injustice. i want the whole picture, not the dramafied version of it

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Yes you were assuming. Spin it however you want. You said and I quote

Where did I say I didn't care? I never said that. You said that and now look at you trying to dance around that YOU WERE NOT and trying to paint me otherwise. Rush to judge, its your M.O., users aren't stupid.

"May".. Do I have to post a like to define that for you as well?

I didn't say "you don't care". I said "you may not care". I'm starting to get why some of you don't see the probable cause issue. Comprehension just isn't there.

 

[Dallas]

"May".. Do I have to post a like to define that for you as well?

I didn't say "you don't care". I said "you may not care". I'm starting to get why some of you don't see the probable cause issue. Comprehension just isn't there.

How could you even get "may not care" out of what I said when I was spcifically talking about Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan? It has nothing to do w/ comprehension. It does however proove you only had one thing on your mind at that time and that was painting me to be something that I'm not.

Keep dancing though.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

the point is you're calling zimmerman every name you can think of based off heresay evidence in the media.

anyone suggesting we slow down is now a "target" to a degree.

you assume zimmeman is a trigger happy moron. to prove it, name ANY OTHER TIME he's shot a gun at someone.

if you can't, you'r making assumptions then letting those define zimmerman.

if you don't get what i'm saying let's just move along cause now you assume i can't see the injustice. i want the whole picture, not the dramafied version of it

I said that sort of tongue and cheek. If you cared to read, I'm against people in these kinds of positions having guns and even a pseudo-authority to kill someone.

Do I think Zimmerman is a good guy? Nope.

Do I think he's smart. Nope.

Do I think he's a moron. Possibly.

Do I think he's trigger happy. Probably

Zimmerman never should have followed the guy. The police basically gave him a license to kill when they told him he could keep following. IMO, Zimmerman never should have had a gun while on hood watch. If he hadn't Zimmerman probably wouldn't have pursued Trayvon him without cause.

Even the police have to have cause to stop you. Otherwise, you'll be on your way free of any charges after they arrest you. If they don't have cause to stop you, which I don't think Zimmerman did, and they shoot you (which Zimmerman did), then I think that story reeks of probable wrongdoing.

Again, my legal issue is with the police not arresting the guy.

My personal issue with with the system allowing this sort of thing to happen and then not investigation it properly. Dramatizing the issue doesn't do it justice, I agree. I think the dramatizations are now coming from the police. Trayvon will never get to tell his recount of what happened. The least we could do is let justice run its course.

I do believe a lot of people wanting to give Zimmer"man" the benefit of the doubt are ones who don't really understand the legal processes by which most people are arrested, tried (or pled), and then either acquitted or convicted by.

I say this because it's not about trying Zimmerman today. It's about trying him when all the evidence does come in--probably quite a bit that I don't know about. I never once said this guy was guilty. I said he should be arrested.

I do know what probable cause is. And I've studied it quite immensely in academia. My problem with the BODers is that most don't seem to get the difference here.

Oh, well...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

How could you even get "may not care" out of what I said when I was spcifically talking about Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan? It has nothing to do w/ comprehension. It does however proove you only had one thing on your mind at that time and that was painting me to be something that I'm not.

Keep dancing though.

Did you read what I wrote? I was saying you may not care, but to me it was the only issue. What part don't you get? I didn't say you don't care. Again, I said you may not care.

I can simultaneously recognize what you were saying and then make a statement at the same time, which wasn't a definitive statement.

Wow.

And if that's proof to you, you're not making ice's jury either.

 

[iceberg]

Did you read what I wrote? I was saying you may not care, but to me it was the only issue. What part don't you get? I didn't say you don't care. Again, I said you may not care.

I can simultaneously recognize what you were saying and then make a statement at the same time, which wasn't a definitive statement.

Wow.

And if that's proof to you, you're not making ice's jury either.

yes he is.

he's not getting emotional and calling me names and making up what kind of character i am before i even get "arrested"..

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

glad we're not getting insulting among friends.

out.

I'm glad you don't only get upset when it's against the friends you agree with rather than ones who disagree.

Again, it's an argument. My pointing out the lack of understanding about what I was saying is fair game as part of an argument. And it wasn't even close to ad hominem.

On the other hand, my persona was attacked. :laugh2:

I guess some of us don't take these arguments personally. I guess some do.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

yes he is.

he's not getting emotional and calling me names and making up what kind of character i am before i even get "arrested"..

You don't have a jury unless he's arrested.

Just curious. Do you think they have probable cause for an arrest?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

For those who think that ZImmerman is innocent or had a right to do what he did. Don't you think that Trayvon's parents are owed answers to these questions?


1. Why was Zimmerman allowed to go home in his clothes that may have had evidence?


2. Why was he allowed to go home with his gun not being tested?

3. Why was a background check done on Trayvon and not Zimmerman?

4. Why was a Drug and alcohol test done on Trayvon and not Zimmerman?


So because Zimmerman says so and a witness may have supported his self Defense claim means that the SPD doesn't have to go through other procedures that most Police Departments would do when someone is killed?

Again how can the SPD say that there is no evidence when it seems like they didn't bother to collect any?

No matter what the outcome Trayvon's parents are owed at least answers to this questions.

It's hard enough to lose a child, but on top of that to feel that the SPD doesn't view your childs life as important enough for the respect to at least give an proper investigation.

People have been convicted for less evidence than is against Zimmerman in this case, but Zimmerman has not even been arrested.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

People have been convicted for less evidence than is against Zimmerman in this case, but Zimmerman has not even been arrested.

zero evidence exists against Zimmerman.

you might be able to eke out an unlicensed PI charge I guess.

 

[Reality]

Last reminder .. you can debate the facts and your opinions but personal attacks and insults including those with indirect wording with the same intent will lead to accounts being banned.


#reality

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

zero evidence exists against Zimmerman.

you might be able to eke out an unlicensed PI charge I guess.

He shot him dead and likely wasn't being attacked since he initially told police he was chasing the guy.

It doesn't add up. But tell yourself otherwise for the sake of being devil's advocate.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Last reminder .. you can debate the facts and your opinions but personal attacks and insults including those with indirect wording with the same intent will lead to accounts being banned.


#reality

 

[Eric_Boyer]

He shot him dead and likely wan't being attacked since he initially told police he was chasing the guy.

It doesn't add up. But tell yourself otherwise for the sake of being devil's advocate.

this now goes beyond devils advocate. based on the known evidence, my opinion is now that an arrest would be terribly wrong.

the police were not real professional, and they should face some criticism for that, but someow damage control needs to come into play in how Zimmerman is being treated in this whole affair.

death threats, bounties, and all the ridiculous hyperbolic rants about how much a moron he is is and how individuals don't have a right to monitor suspicious people needs to end.

 

[TNCowboy]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

zero evidence exists against Zimmerman.

you might be able to eke out an unlicensed PI charge I guess.

That might happen when the SPD lets him go home in the clothes that he killed the Kid in or doesn't even try to test ZImmerman.


How do you know for sure that Zimmerman has Zero evidence against him? You are doing the same thing that rushing to judgment on what you have heard, when all of the facts have not been released that we know of. Just saying.


You didn't answer my question about the SPD being unprofessional and acting like Trayvon's life meant nothing at all.