Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[BlueStar3398]

On Nancy Grace, she played all of the 911 calls several times.

First, the calls by Zimmerman. He reported a suspicious looking guy in the neighborhood. He said that there had been some burgularies in the area. The operator asked if he was following him. Zimmerman said yes, and the operator told him not to do that.

Next, there were the 911 calls from people that heard the noises outside and were worried. You can clearly hear someone screaming for help. It is a high-pitched voice. A lady that heard that voice screaming for help, said after the gunshot the screaming stopped. She said she heard one gunshot.

Those tapes are going to be the key to finding out what happened.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think people act differently toward police and some unknown dude. If a cop questions me, I wouldn't be defensive but if some dude asked me what I'm doing here, I might get defensive and say **** off.

Some do, some don't have seen many instance were a person cops and attitude with a police officer.

As for what was said between Zimmerman and Martin I have no clue

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Some do, some don't have seen many instance were a person cops and attitude with a police officer.

As for what was said between Zimmerman and Martin I have no clue

Yeah...have seen people get an attitude with an officer that they should not have done.

However to be fair, I have also seen a couple of cases where the cop blatantly (seemed it had to be blatant to me) tried to provoke a person into doing something so they could bust the person.

 

[Reality]

*** Final Warning ***


Since the many warnings have been ignored, I will keep it simple ..

You can debate the topic and issues all you want including vigorously as most of you have.

However, if you attack, insult, chastise, taunt, etc. another user in this thread, your access to the Off-topic forum will be removed.

#reality

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah...have seen people get an attitude with an officer that they should not have done.

However to be fair, I have also seen a couple of cases where the cop blatantly (seemed it had to be blatant to me) tried to provoke a person into doing something so they could bust the person.

I agree I have seen that as well but I can tell you it is a losing battle. There are some police who have no business being in uniform.

I once got bullied by a cop because he thought I was stealing my own car.

I had locked my keys in my car and was using a coat hanger to trying an unlock the door. I saw the patrol car coming and even waved him down knowing most carry a slim jim in their car. He got out of the car gun drawn and made me get up aginst the car while he searched me. I was PO'ed but I knew given the situation I was better off doing what he said than being combative. I would deal with it after wards when I went to the city of Spring Valley and filed a grivence.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

On a side note, your typo is killing me. lol You keep spelling "trial" as "trail"

While I know what you mean, I have no idea how you keep making the same mistake.

Forgive my grammar policing. I hang my head in shame.

:laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree I have seen that as well but I can tell you it is a losing battle. There are some police who have no business being in uniform.

I once got bullied by a cop because he thought I was stealing my own car.

I had locked my keys in my car and was using a coat hanger to trying an unlock the door. I saw the patrol car coming and even waved him down knowing most carry a slim jim in their car. He got out of the car gun drawn and made me get up aginst the car while he searched me. I was PO'ed but I knew given the situation I was better off doing what he said than being combative. I would deal with it after wards when I went to the city of Spring Valley and filed a grivence.

Out of curiosity. It is said that Zimmerman had friends on the police force. He was a neighborhood watchman. Does anyone know if he tried to get on the police force and if so why he did not?

 

[Doomsday101]

Out of curiosity. It is said that Zimmerman had friends on the police force. He was a neighborhood watchman. Does anyone know if he tried to get on the police force and if so why he did not?

Do not know I'm sure more will come out.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Could it be that I just hold Zimmerman responsible because in this case I find he acted irresponsibly? I'm totally open to whatever findings that come out, but ultimately a kid is dead because Zimmerman didn't use good sense and wait for the police to arrive. He's the adult in this scenario and I tend to hold adults to a higher standard. What if the situation was reversed and he died because Trayvon had a gun, too, and whipping GZ's butt, decided to shoot him?

Two families still would've been destroyed, because GZ didn't stand down.

This.

 

[TheCount]

Do not know I'm sure more will come out.

You don't want to answer my reply?

 

[Brian_C82]

Out of curiosity. It is said that Zimmerman had friends on the police force. He was a neighborhood watchman. Does anyone know if he tried to get on the police force and if so why he did not?

He didn't have the educational background to become a police officer. You generally need a certain amount of college credit to become a police officer these days. Zimmerman was working on an associates degree at a local college.

 

[Dallas]

He didn't have the educational background to become a police officer. You generally need a certain amount of college credit to become a police officer these days. Zimmerman was working on an associates degree at a local college.

Or military training in place of college credit. Military training actually trumps those going the college route in most instances.

Not a fan of that btw. Far to many police officers wanting to beat stick somebody because of the MP style of training.

Eeep

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just as every person who has commented on it in the press or those seeking attention have the right to express their opinions.

The bottom line, as I have stated multiple times. If he stays in the car, the kid does not get shot, zimmerman does not get beat up and zimmerman would not be in hiding right now with bounties on his head.

Right or wrong, Zimmerman started the ball rolling and if he would have stayed in the car this would not have happened.

You can argue that point from here to eternity but it will not change things.

That's what I've been saying all the time. Me, personally? I never try to apprehend anyone. I witnessed someone getting beaten down under a bridge at 6th and 35. What did I do. Yes, I got out. But only because I didn't know if I should intervene. I got on the phone with 911 and told them. This guy is stomping the other guy stilly. He might be dead.

Turns out, the perp left. I handled the victim and put my t-shirt over his gashes. I kept my eye on the perp and when the cops arrived I did go look for him... and I found him. But I never approached him. I waited for the cops to get there, just like Zimmerman should have.. when the cops got there, he wasn't arrested.

You see, I didn't see the whole thing. And while I think the other guy was a coward, because he went back and stomped on a knocked out guy's head, they didn't arrest him because the other guy threw the first punch.

I just happened to be driving by and saw it half way though.

APD did tell me not to follow the perp, but to stay by the victim...they then connected me with EMS, who for the life of them couldn't figure out why I said it was both east and south bound on I-35..because it was under a bridge!!!

SMH...

Anyway, that's what Zimmerman should have done...

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Trayvon's parents have every right to be angry at the SPD. Whether some believe the evidence that they collected or not they botched this case and acted unprofessional.


Just because Zimmerman claims Self Defense doesn't mean that they can't take precautions like testing Zimmerman's clothes and car. Or taking other witness statements instead of twisting their words and attacking them in public.


If I was a witness and I knew that I said one thing but the SPD tries to make me look like liar in the eyes of the public after they tried to get me to change my mind on what I saw, I would think about suing them.

Easy to say that a witness supports only Zimmerman's side, if they dismiss and discredit other witnesses.

if the SPD's work from start to finish in this case was trustworthy then there would be no need for others to take over the invesitgation at least that's how I see it.

 

[Brian_C82]

Could it be that I just hold Zimmerman responsible because in this case I find he acted irresponsibly? I'm totally open to whatever findings that come out, but ultimately a kid is dead because Zimmerman didn't use good sense and wait for the police to arrive.

Except that's not what the law says. Zimmerman had a right to confront a stranger in his own neighborhood. He had a right to stand his ground and defend himself. What he did was perfectly legal.

17 year olds aren't kids. There are many people on death row in this country who committed their crimes at that age. 17 year olds can rob, rape, and murder with the worst of them. They are every bit as dangerous as so-called adults.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

On Nancy Grace, she played all of the 911 calls several times.

First, the calls by Zimmerman. He reported a suspicious looking guy in the neighborhood. He said that there had been some burgularies in the area. The operator asked if he was following him. Zimmerman said yes, and the operator told him not to do that.

Next, there were the 911 calls from people that heard the noises outside and were worried. You can clearly hear someone screaming for help. It is a high-pitched voice. A lady that heard that voice screaming for help, said after the gunshot the screaming stopped. She said she heard one gunshot.

Those tapes are going to be the key to finding out what happened.

SOme say that it's Zimmerman's voice crying out for help. To me it sounds like a Young Man or Teen Boy. I could be wrong but that what it sounds like to be.

The screams stop the exact second that the gun goes off. Finding out who's voice it is will be key I agree

 

[Dallas]

Except that's not what the law says. Zimmerman had a right to confront a stranger in his own neighborhood. He had a right to stand his ground and defend himself. What he did was perfectly legal.

17 year olds aren't kids. There are many people on death row in this country who committed their crimes at that age. 17 year olds can rob, rape, and murder with the worst of them. They are every bit as dangerous as so-called adults.

I was standing in line w/ a 17 yr old last night at the store. He was 6'2 and at least 215. He could have EASILY handled himself w/ most adults.

Folks are getting wrapped up in the 13 yr old picture that is out there and he's under 18 thus he's a kid. That really isn't fair either considering these facts that are coming out.

Again depending on if it can be proven that Zimmerman was defending himself from a violent attack and his head was being smashed into the ground and he feared for his life, I just can't throw him under the bus just yet without knowing what really happened during that specific altercation.

What a run on sentence that was. Hehe

 

[Doomsday101]

You don't want to answer my reply?

Sorry did not see your reply.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Except that's not what the law says. Zimmerman had a right to confront a stranger in his own neighborhood. He had a right to stand his ground and defend himself. What he did was perfectly legal.

17 year olds aren't kids. There are many people on death row in this country who committed their crimes at that age. 17 year olds can rob, rape, and murder with the worst of them. They are every bit as dangerous as so-called adults.

The makers of the Stand Your Ground law says that this case does not apply to Zimmerman's Defense. Now maybe they are just saying that because they want to escape the heat and anger that this case had created for the law. But still that was what they said

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

offended? I said I agree with everything but that, I didn't really take offensive, I just find it loaded language.

when my girls are in their 50's they will still be my child, but it would be silly to refer to them in such a capacity.

And you said we were making semantical arguments...