Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[BrAinPaiNt]

But you are claiming that was the motivation. So tell me how do you know that was Zimmerman motivation? Don't tell me something you experienced I'm asking about this particular person and this incident.

We know Zimmerman called the police on many occasions because of suspicious persons where they all black? I continue to hear Zimmerman did this because the teenager was black you don’t think there was any other reason?

Could be he was a teenager whom Zimmerman had never seen in this gated community?

What was the quote that he said to the dispatch person...something along the lines of these Blankholes are always doing something or always getting away with something?

Whether he is talking about young people, black guys, people wearing hoodies or what, it seemed like he had some kind of motivation to go after the person that spawns from previous experience or preconceived notions about the person in question due to either his skin color, age, clothing or something. Unless he just thinks all people are blankholes.

Just something to consider.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

you made it appear I said something I didn't say. I don't ever appreciate that.

If you want to be quoted saying something, then say it. Don't attribute it to me.

Seriously.

It is a given in the internet forum and message board universe that if someone says...FTFY or fixed that for you that it is clear the person doing it changed what was quoted and the person quoted did not write it. Plus anyone with eyes can see the post you made above it so there is no confusion of what you said.

Seriously, that is pretty silly argument to take when someone counter argues your point and you are better than that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh ***** ******, forget it.

What? Because I ask you to prove it based on this incident? No you bring up something that happen to you and assume well that is the case. Sorry that does not fly.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Seriously.

It is a given in the internet forum and message board universe that if someone says...FTFY or fixed that for you that it is clear the person doing it changed what was quoted and the person quoted did not write it. Plus anyone with eyes can see the post you made above it so there is no confusion of what you said.

Seriously, that is pretty silly argument to take when someone counter argues your point and you are better than that.

t's a ****ty debate tactic.

but like I said, whatever :bang2:

you will do whatever you want to do. I know that.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Isn't it Zimmermans job to WATCH the neighborhood and look for suspicious activity since he is the Neighborhood WATCH guy? From what I read he reported the activity and was told not to follow.

You are saying he put himself into that situation and I am just countering with NHW programs are to establish a presence and report suspicious activity taking place in their neighborhoods.

So what he watched/followed/reported? That is what they do in these programs. He was told to not follow and from what has been reported he turned and was heading back to his vehicle when supposedly he was attacked by the youth.

Am I incorrect in this?

I'm not sure that's been established. I thought what was established is that he chased after this young man.

So if this is correct that Zimmerman stops goes back to his car why did Martin then attack? Zimmerman was leaving why would he think he was in danger? Had he continued on more than likely he would have ran in to the police who would have asked him questions.

As for Zimmerman’s action again he tells the operator he is following when he is asked and when told not to he stops and is returning to his car.

As I stated above, I'm not sure that's been fully established.

Granted this is based on a scenario that has come up how accurate is this new information? I have no clue but if I was going to stand in judgment of Zimmerman these are things I would want to find out. Was Zimmerman wrong in pursuing the kid at the get go? Maybe was Martin wrong in confronting Zimmerman? Maybe so.

So many questions I would like to have answered.

And this I agree... but as Brain so rightly noted, Trayvon is not alive to explain his actions. So whatever info comes out, the full story of this incident will never be known, IMO.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

t's a ****ty debate tactic.

but like I said, whatever :bang2:

you will do whatever you want to do. I know that.

Zimmerman should be on the defensive because he shot and killed a man. Just because you did not like my delivery and complain about it does not change the "FACTS" that you have constantly asked for in this whole debate.

 

[Doomsday101]

What was the quote that he said to the dispatch person...something along the lines of these Blankholes are always doing something or always getting away with something?

Whether he is talking about young people, black guys, people wearing hoodies or what, it seemed like he had some kind of motivation to go after the person that spawns from previous experience or preconceived notions about the person in question due to either his skin color, age, clothing or something. Unless he just thinks all people are blankholes.

Just something to consider.

Could be a number of things he was referring to color sure, what he was wearing sure. But to say well he was racial profiling as some have stated I just ask prove it. But what I get are personal stories and then taking that and putting it on someone else as if that is the facts it is not the facts.

Believe me as a young man I had the police called on me because I had long hair and was tossing a football in a field behind some homes. Police showed up asked me and my friends what we were up to and we told him. No problem.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Zimmerman should be on the defensive because he shot and killed a man. Just because you did not like my delivery and complain about it does not change the "FACTS" that you have constantly asked for in this whole debate.

Zimmerman should not have to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

He should not have to be in hiding, and no bounty should be on his head.

If formal charges are brought, then he should defend himself from those charges.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thecount and Eric, Please stop the personal attacks between each other.

 

[zrinkill]

I find it hard to believe in a modern gated community there is not security camera's everywhere.

Down my road there are camera's at every redlight. camera's in almost all my neighbors properties (including mine).

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I find it hard to believe in a modern gated community there is not security camera's everywhere.

Down my road there are camera's at every redlight. camera's in almost all my neighbors properties (including mine).

Interesting point. I take it they don't have it or something might have come from that by now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure that's been established. I thought what was established is that he chased after this young man.

As I stated above, I'm not sure that's been fully established.

And this I agree... but as Brain so rightly noted, Trayvon is not alive to explain his actions. So whatever info comes out, the full story of this incident will never be known, IMO.

I'm not sure either which is why I'm not saying he is innocent but given the outcry and what is being tossed around by public figures is condemning without full knowledge just to get their own names in the paper to create a situation that does not help or benefit anyone but themselves.

If evidence collected shows Zimmerman was in the wrong he needs to pay the price but this public spectacle that is taking place is also very wrong

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Interesting point. I take it they don't have it or something might have come from that by now.

it's not really a gated community. Use google street maps, and you will laugh at this supposed gated community.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Zimmerman should not have to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

He should not have to be in hiding, and no bounty should be on his head.

If formal charges are brought, then he should defend himself from those charges.

I agree that no bounty should be on his head and that is just the actions of a few idiots.

And he should have never gotten out of his car but instead just called the police and waited.

But that did not happen.

As far as the court of public opinion. It would be nice if nobody had to be tried in the court of public opinion but this is real life and it happens.

The problem with this whole situation is that people were upset that no formal charges were filed at all and without the out rage of the community it appears as if the matter would have been completely dropped.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

And he should have never gotten out of his car but instead just called the police and waited.

he had every right to get out of the car.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm not sure either which is why I'm not saying he is innocent but given the outcry and what is being tossed around by public figures is condemning without full knowledge just to get their own names in the paper to create a situation that does not help or benefit anyone but themselves.

If evidence collected shows Zimmerman was in the wrong he needs to pay the price but this public spectacle that is taking place is also very wrong

What I've actually condemned are the police actions AFTER the confrontation.

I'm pretty solid in how I feel about the actual confrontation.

I don't believe the initial police investigation into the confrontation was handled properly. So the primary reason why I'll accept the findings of the state and/or FBI/DOJ is that time was taken to truly gather info.

 

[zrinkill]

he had every right to get out of the car.

Agreed.

And that child had every right to be walking down the street.

Somewhere along the way someone took someone elses rights away.

And then Zimmerman took a childs life away ....... in self defense or not.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

he had every right to get out of the car.

Just as every person who has commented on it in the press or those seeking attention have the right to express their opinions.

The bottom line, as I have stated multiple times. If he stays in the car, the kid does not get shot, zimmerman does not get beat up and zimmerman would not be in hiding right now with bounties on his head.

Right or wrong, Zimmerman started the ball rolling and if he would have stayed in the car this would not have happened.

You can argue that point from here to eternity but it will not change things.

 

[TheCount]

What? Because I ask you to prove it based on this incident? No you bring up something that happen to you and assume well that is the case. Sorry that does not fly.

I've already proven to you that racial profiling may have been in play, you don't have to accept it. In fact, I'm certain you won't.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Agreed.

And that child had every right to be walking down the street.

Somewhere along the way someone took someone elses rights away.

And then Zimmerman took a childs life away ....... in self defense or not.

I agree with everything but labeling a 17 year old as a child.