Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[vta]

Wasn't someone recently criticized for suggesting Martin was profiled because he wore a hoodie??

Why make it a symbol then?

On the floor of the House this morning, Rep. Bobby Rush's effort to call attention to the death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin turned into a contest of wills between the Illinois Democrat and the presiding officer because Rush donned a hoodie while speaking.

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[Romo_To_Dez]

I have been a part of several watch programs and it was not unusual to ask strangers in the neighborhood what they were doing. Most of the time they were friends or relatives of someone living there and said so. Not a single time did they attack me. My point being, yes we are eyes for the police but that does not preclude us from saying "Hi, are you new to the neighborhood?"

Did Zimmerman ID himself as a Neighborhood Watchman? Because even though he is 17 Trayvon like many other kids I'm sure were taught not to trust strangers or answer Strangers.

Some Strangers will play nice and ask questions like "Where do you live" Especially over the internet this days to seek out kids to harm or molest.

So it's natural for a person to be cautious of a stranger following them and not want to ask questions. Not all people are nice with good intentions and it's hard to know who you can trust and not trust.

No matter what happened that night I don't see how Trayvon was wrong if he was bothered and maybe threatened by someone following him in the dark.

Kidnappings, Murders, Robberies, Assaults happen all kinds of people of different sizes, Trayvon may have been 6' 3' but still I think that his reaction is natural for being followed in the dark.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wasn't someone recently criticized for suggesting Martin was profiled because he wore a hoodie??

Why make it a symbol then?



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You would think he would spend more time dealing with all the young kids killed in gang violence in this own city of Chicago.

Instead he is getting involved in a case that is still under investigation. Real Smart

 

[casmith07]

Wasn't someone recently criticized for suggesting Martin was profiled because he wore a hoodie??

Why make it a symbol then?



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I don't know. I think it's a stupid campaign.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't know. I think it's a stupid campaign.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way...

It's 80* and humid outside and I'm gonna put on a hoodie.. Whatever.

 

[JBond]

Did Zimmerman ID himself as a Neighborhood Watchman? Because even though he is 17 Trayvon like many other kids I'm sure were taught not to trust strangers or answer Strangers.

Some Strangers will play nice and ask questions like "Where do you live" Especially over the internet this days to seek out kids to harm or molest.

So it's natural for a person to be cautious of a stranger following them and not want to ask questions. Not all people are nice with good intentions and it's hard to know who you can trust and not trust.

No matter what happened that night I don't see how Trayvon was wrong if he was bothered and maybe threatened by someone following him in the dark.

Kidnappings, Murders, Robberies, Assaults happen all kinds of people of different sizes, Trayvon may have been 6' 3' but still I think that his reaction is natural for being followed in the dark.

No... Attacking people is not a natural tendency. I would hope Zimmerman identified himself, but there is no way to know for sure. I am well aware of stranger danger that we all preach to our kids. What I don't preach to my kids is attacking strangers.

 

[Dallas]

Wasn't someone recently criticized for suggesting Martin was profiled because he wore a hoodie??

Why make it a symbol then?



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Embarrassing. To think this man thought this was a good idea. Just goes to show you what gets voted into office.

He was pulled and is not allowed to speak in the house today because of breaking the rules by doing this. It was planned and calculated by the individual. I just have to shake my head.

What a circus folks want to make of this. As if a hoodie is for Treyvon only. I am pretty certain there have been many many many people who have lost there lives in crime or committing crime who wore a hoodie.

This is about dividing. This is not about coming together.

Appalling by a public servant, white or black or red or yellow. This stupid hollywood approach has got to stop.

 

[TNCowboy]

As I said is there proof of ZImmerman's injuries like a Medical report or pictures? Because one report did not mention his broken nose and gash to the back of his head and the other did.

If these injuries are that severe then I believe that a trip to the hospital would be required. Yet ZImmerman declined to see a Doctor because he was healed by then at least that was what his lawyer said.

If that's is Trayvon screaming then it shows that he attacked Zimmerman out of fear and not aggression. Because those sound like the screams of someone who fears for their life.

Trayvon had a right to Stand his Ground, if Zimmerman made him scream in fear for his life like that.

Arguing the evidence wasn't my point. That is what it is, one way or the other. Either it was Zimmerman's voice, or it wasn't. Either he had those injuries, or he didn't (and evidently, police reports indicate he did).

My point was that if it is a matter of life and death, there is no such thing as unequal force, practically speaking. Some people can kill you with almost anything, including their hands.

 

[JBond]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way...

It's 80* and humid outside and I'm gonna put on a hoodie.. Whatever.

Do you think it is a coincidence a certain politician released his new Hoodie line this week?

Never let a tragedy go to waste.

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/...qQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNFB2yrf6KGVLmVFv7gOZ_817Dw1AA

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

No... Attacking people is not a natural tendency. I would hope Zimmerman identified himself, but there is no way to know for sure. I am well aware of stranger danger that we all preach to our kids. What I don't preach to my kids is attacking strangers.

Some said that Trayvon should have just answered ZImmerman's question. Trayvon had the right not to answer if Zimmerman did not ID himself.

We have yet to know who really attacked who. Just a witness that may have seen the middle of the altercation with Trayvon on top. We don't know if Zimmerman is telling the truth because someone keeps changing the version of how Trayvon attacked him.


Either Zimmerman or some who are defending him have three different versions of how he was attacked.

1. First Zimmerman was dragged out of his truck and beaten (Have not heard of this one)

2. Zimmerman was just checking out street signs with no confrontation at all and Trayvon atttacked.

3. ZImmerman asks Trayvon a question and then goes back to his truck and Trayvon attacks him from behind. Or Trayvon punches him in the nose and he falls backwards.


I don't know who keeps changing the story, but if it's Zimmerman then I wonder why he keeps changing the story. His father claims that Zimmerman never followed Trayvon at all.

If there is proof of Zimmerman changing his story, then if I was on the jury I would want to know why he keeps changing accounts of what happened.

 

[iceberg]

Some said that Trayvon should have just answered ZImmerman's question. Trayvon had the right not to answer if Zimmerman did not ID himself.

We have yet to know who really attacked who. Just a witness that may have seen the middle of the altercation with Trayvon on top. We don't know if Zimmerman is telling the truth because someone keeps changing the version of how Trayvon attacked him.


Either Zimmerman or some who are defending him have three different versions of how he was attacked.

1. First Zimmerman was dragged out of his truck and beaten (Have not heard of this one)

2. Zimmerman was just checking out street signs with no confrontation at all and Trayvon atttacked.

3. ZImmerman asks Trayvon a question and then goes back to his truck and Trayvon attacks him from behind. Or Trayvon punches him in the nose and he falls backwards.


I don't know who keeps changing the story, but if it's Zimmerman then I wonder why he keeps changing the story. His father claims that Zimmerman never followed Trayvon at all.

If there is proof of Zimmerman changing his story, then if I was on the jury I would want to know why he keeps changing accounts of what happened.

i don't think it changes in as much as people think the last thing they heard is the right thing only to find out it was wrong.

only they've accepted it as fact prematurely so now the "facts" change.

 

[Hoofbite]

Zimmerman traced the tweets — which he said have been retweeted by actor-director Spike Lee — to a man in California. Zimmerman has implored the man to stop and said he received this response, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" and an obscenity.

http://blog.ctnews.com/hottopics/2012/03/28/spike-lee-retweets-wrong-george-zimmerman’s-address/

a "george zimmerman" did live there in 1995 briefly, but not the shooter.

If anyone would have listened to the audio, Zimmer gave out the numbers to his address and then said he didn't want to give it out because he didn't know where the kid was. Like this kid was going to come and murder him in his sleep or something.

He said "1950" and the address that Spike re-tweeted is like 5 miles from where the incident occurred.

Just stupid people leading even dumber people.

If you actually look at the neighborhood, you can get the rest of Zimmerman's address pretty easily because there's basically one street that goes in a giant circle.

 

[iceberg]

If anyone would have listened to the audio, Zimmer gave out the numbers to his address and then said he didn't want to give it out because he didn't know where the kid was. Like this kid was going to come and murder him in his sleep or something.

He said "1950" and the address that Spike re-tweeted is like 5 miles from where the incident occurred.

Just stupid people leading even dumber people.

If you actually look at the neighborhood, you can get the rest of Zimmerman's address pretty easily because there's basically one street that goes in a giant circle.

that would take effort and get in the way of the lynch mob.

 

[JBond]

Some said that Trayvon should have just answered ZImmerman's question. Trayvon had the right not to answer if Zimmerman did not ID himself.

We have yet to know who really attacked who. Just a witness that may have seen the middle of the altercation with Trayvon on top. We don't know if Zimmerman is telling the truth because someone keeps changing the version of how Trayvon attacked him.


Either Zimmerman or some who are defending him have three different versions of how he was attacked.

1. First Zimmerman was dragged out of his truck and beaten (Have not heard of this one)

2. Zimmerman was just checking out street signs with no confrontation at all and Trayvon atttacked.

3. ZImmerman asks Trayvon a question and then goes back to his truck and Trayvon attacks him from behind. Or Trayvon punches him in the nose and he falls backwards.


I don't know who keeps changing the story, but if it's Zimmerman then I wonder why he keeps changing the story. His father claims that Zimmerman never followed Trayvon at all.

If there is proof of Zimmerman changing his story, then if I was on the jury I would want to know why he keeps changing accounts of what happened.

Much of the confusion is due to the half-***** reporting. You and many other chose to take the reports at face value, while some of us urged caution. Most reporters are chumps looking to make headline using sensationalism. Don't buy into it. Remember the whole white guy shoots black guy? We now know a half Hispanic jew was the shooter. Let it play out.

 

[CowboyWay]

If there is proof of Zimmerman changing his story, then if I was on the jury I would want to know why he keeps changing accounts of what happened.

Zimmerman isn't saying anything. The dude is hiding. I seriously doubt he is changing his story, as nobody (media) know where he is. Its not like the dude is giving interviews to Geraldo.

You know who's changing the story? Everyone. You, me, the media, because right now, we all know very little about the case. That is what most people on this board are trying to say. The media hosed us for a month, and only gave out part of the story. The vast majority of us assumed Zimm was guilty, but new facts have come out that made us say "whoa", something just doesn't sound right here.

We all want info, but all we are getting is half truths, lawyer talk (which is completely worthless), and the crap the media trys to shove down our throats.

 

[Hoofbite]

No... Attacking people is not a natural tendency. I would hope Zimmerman identified himself, but there is no way to know for sure. I am well aware of stranger danger that we all preach to our kids. What I don't preach to my kids is attacking strangers.

Attacking a perceived threat is pretty reasonable. It happens frequently on levels much, much bigger than just two individuals.

And that's what Zimmerman was.

Followed the kid and searched around for him.

Whether or not he identified himself doesn't matter at all because it's not like people with bad intentions have never lied.

From the kids perspective some random unknown person was chasing him through a neighborhood that he was unfamiliar with.

I don't know who wouldn't consider that a threat or be frightened by it.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Some said that Trayvon should have just answered ZImmerman's question. Trayvon had the right not to answer if Zimmerman did not ID himself.

We have yet to know who really attacked who. Just a witness that may have seen the middle of the altercation with Trayvon on top. We don't know if Zimmerman is telling the truth because someone keeps changing the version of how Trayvon attacked him.


Either Zimmerman or some who are defending him have three different versions of how he was attacked.

1. First Zimmerman was dragged out of his truck and beaten (Have not heard of this one)

2. Zimmerman was just checking out street signs with no confrontation at all and Trayvon atttacked.

3. ZImmerman asks Trayvon a question and then goes back to his truck and Trayvon attacks him from behind. Or Trayvon punches him in the nose and he falls backwards.


I don't know who keeps changing the story, but if it's Zimmerman then I wonder why he keeps changing the story. His father claims that Zimmerman never followed Trayvon at all.

If there is proof of Zimmerman changing his story, then if I was on the jury I would want to know why he keeps changing accounts of what happened.

hell he had the right not to answer regardless of whether fatty said who he was

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Much of the confusion is due to the half-***** reporting. You and many other chose to take the reports at face value, while some of us urged caution. Most reporters are chumps looking to make headline using sensationalism. Don't buy into it. Remember the whole white guy shoots black guy? We now know a half Hispanic jew was the shooter. Let it play out.

The Media claims that Zimmerman said this and that. Either they are just running with information with confirming this as true or Zimmerman or someone is leaking these stories of how he was attacked out.

 

[JBond]

Attacking a perceived threat is pretty reasonable. It happens frequently on levels much, much bigger than just two individuals.

And that's what Zimmerman was.

Followed the kid and searched around for him.

Whether or not he identified himself doesn't matter at all because it's not like people with bad intentions have never lied.

From the kids perspective some random unknown person was chasing him through a neighborhood that he was unfamiliar with.

I don't know who wouldn't consider that a threat or be frightened by it.

Followed the kid and searched for him? Possibly. Details are still sketchy regarding that point. What we do know is TM was no longer in the immediate area. Why did TM choose not to go home at that point? I suppose Zimmerman may be the fastest 5'8" guy in the world and even with a huge head start TM the football player would be unable to outrun him, but that does not make much sense.

Why did Zimmerman call the cops? Why did TM who you and other allege was scared of Zimmerman not call the cops? He had time to chat with others.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

hell he had the right not to answer regardless of whether fatty said who he was

Zimmerman's friend basically blamed Trayvon's not answering Zimmerman leading to Zimmerman killing Trayvon.

We don't know if Zimmerman just nicely asked Trayvon and walked away, he did have a hostile view of Trayvon by saying that Trayvon was an Bleep who always gets away.