Neighborhood watch captain kills black teen - doesn't get arrested

[Dallas]

you didn't answer though, if the shooter was black and the dead white, would the charge have been dropped so to speak

Who knows. What if the all of the officers involved were black and he was released?

I can match your hyperbole w/ hyperbole.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Who knows. What if the all of the officers involved were black and he was released?

I can match your hyperbole w/ hyperbole.

please, you aren't as dumb as you are making yourself out to be, you know the answer

whether he would be found guilty at trial is another issue, he would have been charged

 

[Dallas]

please, you aren't as dumb as you are making yourself out to be, you know the answer

whether he would be found guilty at trial is another issue, he would have been charged

Why hasn't he been charged already? Why hasn't he been thrown in jail already?

They took him to jail and questioned him for hours. They can still go right now and grab him and throw him in the clink.

Why aren't they doing it right now? It's the same defense you are using, regardless the time since it happened. Why don't they just go get him now, it's so cut and dry for you?

 

[03EBZ06]

Personally, I don't think this incident was racially motivated, but only GZ know for certain.

I do think Zimmerman could have avoided all this by just reporting what he thought was a suspicious person in the neighborhood, although I have no idea why GZ thought TM was acting suspicious, other than nothing knowing him.

According to a report, there are 260 units in that gated community, so would GZ have known all the unit occupants and their visiting relatives and friends, if not, would they be automatically suspicious in GZ's eyes because he simply didn't know them?

 

[Doomsday101]

he at least would be charged, not having someone at charge approval say, oh you say it was defence, oh ok, there you go, no charge.

if you all want to think race had nothing to do with it, fine, do you believe in fairy tales too?

Police intended to it was the state attorney's office who said there was not enough evidence. We all assumed the Police did not bring him in, Wrong we assume the police were unwilling to charge him Wrong.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

They could say that there was no evidence but when the SPD is either too lazy or just didn't respect and value Trayvon as a human who lost his life, then yeah is could end up as "No evidence"

So many questions about how the SPD handled this, did they take in Zimmerman's clothes for testing, did they take in his gun for testing. did they test Zimmerman's for alcohol and drugs?

Just because Zimmerman and maybe one witness saw the fight doesn't mean that the SPD could throw out all standard procedures of collecting evidence.


Can anyone in Flordia kill and claim Self Defense and not be arrested or chraged as long as they make sure that there is not enough evidence? People have been arrested or far less proable cause then a Dead body at the scene.

 

[Doomsday101]

please, you aren't as dumb as you are making yourself out to be, you know the answer

whether he would be found guilty at trial is another issue, he would have been charged

You do know that they can go back and charge him right? There is no time limit on that

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Personally, I don't think this incident was racially motivated, but only GZ know for certain.

I do think Zimmerman could have avoided all this by just reporting what he thought was a suspicious person in the neighborhood, although I have no idea why GZ thought TM was acting suspicious, other than nothing knowing him.

According to a report, there are 260 units in that gated community, so would GZ have known all the unit occupants and their visiting relatives and friends, if not, would they be automatically suspicious in GZ's eyes because he simply didn't know them?

I agree did Zimmerman know every single Neighbor and what they all looked like?

 

[Doomsday101]

They could say that there was no evidence but when the SPD is either too lazy or just didn't respect and value Trayvon as a human who lost his life, then yeah is could end up as "No evidence"

So many questions about how the SPD handled this, did they take in Zimmerman's clothes for testing, did they take in his gun for testing. did they test Zimmerman's for alcohol and drugs?

Just because Zimmerman and maybe one witness saw the fight doesn't mean that the SPD could throw out all standard procedures of collecting evidence.


Can anyone in Flordia kill and claim Self Defense and not be arrested or chraged as long as they make sure that there is not enough evidence? People have been arrested or far less proable cause then a Dead body at the scene.

You keep saying the police but it was Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction. So police are going to and now advised not to by higher ups

 

[vta]

did they take in Zimmerman's clothes for testing, did they take in his gun for testing. did they test Zimmerman's for alcohol and drugs?

From what I've read, yes, yes and I don't know for number 3.

The problem is that no one acknowledges is that physical evidence will in no way determine motives and causes.

They got his dirty clothes, they took his gun and they brought him in. They were going to charge Zimmerman with a charge of manslaughter and were told by the state.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

You keep saying the police but it was Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction. So police are going to and now advised not to by higher ups

There not being enough evidence may have to do with what I pointed out. Did the SPD collect on of the things mentioned before they handed it to higher ups?


That's my point. Is it common to let someone go home with the gun that they shot someone with and in their clothes without testing taking the clothes into evidence?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

From what I've read, yes, yes and I don't know for number 3.

The problem is that no one acknowledges is that physical evidence will in no way determine motives and causes.

They got his dirty clothes, they took his gun and they brought him in. They were going to charge Zimmerman with a charge of manslaughter and were told by the state.

Maybe I heard wrong then because they said that he was allowed to go home with his gun and clothes.

 

[Brian_C82]

bury your head if you want, he had the gun, he followed the guy, he shot him, he was a cop wannabe hero, and now he is hiding like a chicken

Americans in many states have the right to carry a gun and defend themselves. I know that's a radical concept in Canada, but most Americans have no problem with it.

 

[vta]

Maybe I heard wrong then because they said that he was allowed to go home with his gun and clothes.

I'll look for the link, I just read it this morning

 

[Doomsday101]

There not being enough evidence may have to do with what I pointed out. Did the SPD collect on of the things mentioned before they handed it to higher ups?


That's my point. Is it common to let someone go home with the gun that they shot someone with and in their clothes without testing taking the clothes into evidence?

Yes they did collect those things and it was the police who had doubts

Chris Serino, the lead detective on the case, expressed doubts around Zimmerman's account of the shooting, according to ABC News. Serino filed an affidavit on the night of the shooting in which he said that he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.


But his higher ups indicated there was not enough evidence. So again the intial reports have been wrong and people continue to use bad information

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-been-31-days-since-trayvon-martins-shooting-

 

[03EBZ06]

You keep saying the police but it was Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction. So police are going to and now advised not to by higher ups

You are correct but SPD did mucked up this investigation.

Witnesses told ABC News a fist fight broke out and at one point Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

Austin Brown, 13, was walking his dog during the time of the altercation and saw both men on the ground but separated.

Brown along with several other residents heard someone cry for help, just before hearing a gunshot. Police arrived 60 seconds later and the teen was quickly pronounced dead.

According to the police report, Zimmerman, who was armed with a handgun, was found bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, standing over Martin, who was unresponsive after being shot.

An officer at the scene overheard Zimmerman saying, "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me," the report said.

Witnesses told ABC News they heard Zimmerman pronounce aloud to the breathless residents watching the violence unfold "it was self-defense," and place the gun on the ground.

But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective pepppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.
The Sanford Police Department refused to release 911 calls by witnesses and neighbors.

Several of the calls, ABC News has learned, contain the sound of the single gunshot.

Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmerman's word at the scene that he had no police record.

Two days later during a meeting with Trayvon's father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmerman's record was "squeaky clean."

Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged.

 

[Doomsday101]

A spokeswoman for the city of Sanford says that the Sanford Police Department took into evidence the gun that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, fired at Martin on Feb. 26.

One month has passed since Martin’s killing, which has since ignited a national controversy. To mark the sober anniversary, the Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence, a leading gun control group, blasted out a press release: “GEORGE ZIMMERMAN STILL HAS HIS GUN AND HIS LICENSE TO CARRY AND USE IT.” That’s half-right. Zimmerman no longer posesses the gun he used to kill Martin. But he still has a permit to carry a concealed weapon

http://ereyes312.tumblr.com/post/19958967757/mother-jones-sanford-pd-has-trayvon-killers-gun

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

A spokeswoman for the city of Sanford says that the Sanford Police Department took into evidence the gun that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain, fired at Martin on Feb. 26.

One month has passed since Martin’s killing, which has since ignited a national controversy. To mark the sober anniversary, the Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence, a leading gun control group, blasted out a press release: “GEORGE ZIMMERMAN STILL HAS HIS GUN AND HIS LICENSE TO CARRY AND USE IT.” That’s half-right. Zimmerman no longer posesses the gun he used to kill Martin. But he still has a permit to carry a concealed weapon

http://ereyes312.tumblr.com/post/19958967757/mother-jones-sanford-pd-has-trayvon-killers-gun

Okay I was wrong on that part

 

[Doomsday101]

You are correct but SPD did mucked up this investigation.

I'm not saying they didn't but maybe not as bad we have been lead to believe as more and more is coming out.

People make claims well the police did not take his gun? BS they did that was a bad report.

Hell it started off with people saying they did not bring him in they did for several hours they intended to file charges it was the prosecutor’s office who told them not to. If the Prosecutors office tells them to cut a suspect loose they are going to do so

 

[Doomsday101]

Okay I was wrong on that part

I'm just saying many of us have been wrong on parts why? because we don't have all the parts to put together to make the whole picture.