Nerve firing confusion in Jaylon's recovery

[TheCoolFan]

Tell him to keep working out, keep studying film/the playbook and we'll see him in 2017

 

[waldoputty]

Don't know what to send you for a prize!!!

 

[MileyDancer]

My VR source can beat up your VR source

Well, she's a girl, so that's probably true. Lol

 

[sideon]

Never expected him to play this year, but i fully expect him to be ready by next training camp

 

[DandyDon52]

summary
jerry said nerve just started firing.
the term 'firing' is misleading.
if the muscle just started working, he is not going to be able to play this year.
if you interpret his words loosely, jaylon's able to do quite a bit now.
if so, the nerve regeneration was actually done (got there) quite a while ago.
perhaps around the time the doctor estimated - about mid august
typical full recovery is 9-15 months.
that is about 2-8 months for rehab after the nerve gets to the muscle.

if the nerve regeneration got there in august, that would give it 4-5 months for rehab.
that is right in the middle of the estimate - so there is a chance for a return late in the season.

If jaylon says he can play, jerry will put him out there. ready or not.
Jerry likes having all new pieces on the board.

 

[TheHerd]

Waldo, thank you for changing your avatar.

Note if we can only get Bleu Star to change his. I'm sure he has some great posts, I just can't seem to figure out how to read them.

 

[waldoputty]

Waldo, thank you for changing your avatar.

Note if we can only get Bleu Star to change his. I'm sure he has some great posts, I just can't seem to figure out how to read them.

LOL, ok.
Petition the mods to first change his avatar to Carson Wentz in uniform.

 

[Trouty]

Well, she's a girl, so that's probably true. Lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

"AWAKENING" ---- Jaylon Smith, 5:33a, 11-19-2016

 

[dogunwo]

Does that doll now count as vintage or antique?

 

[waldoputty]

Does that doll now count as vintage or antique?

classic

 

[MRV52]

 

[plymkr]

summary
jerry said nerve just started firing.
the term 'firing' is misleading.
if the muscle just started working, he is not going to be able to play this year.
if you interpret his words loosely, jaylon's able to do quite a bit now.
if so, the nerve regeneration was actually done (got there) quite a while ago.
perhaps around the time the doctor estimated - about mid august
typical full recovery is 9-15 months.
that is about 2-8 months for rehab after the nerve gets to the muscle.

if the nerve regeneration got there in august, that would give it 4-5 months for rehab.
that is right in the middle of the estimate - so there is a chance for a return late in the season.

Okay first thanks for posting this. I appreciate it. I've come to terms with the idea that he will not play this season and if he does it will be a bonus. My question is with what we know is reported, is the nerve healed and will there be a chance that he will be 100% ready to go at the start of next season? I guess my biggest concern is getting him on the field healthy at some point. Is it possible for him to play healthy with what we know? Is it a fact that the nerve has healed or are we just speculating based on Smith's happy posts and things Jerry has said?

Sorry to bog you down with all these questions, I just don't know this type of medicine or anything about the physiology around it and you do so my curiosity is killing. And I do appreciate what you have taken the time to post. thanks

 

[Echo9]

Ooops thanks for correcting me.
So we still would not know a thing
I think you said he did not have to pass a physical to practice?

Well, if he doesn't officially start practicing, then we'll know for sure that he's shelved for 2016. If he is practicing, the speculation continues

 

[waldoputty]

Well, if he doesn't officially start practicing, then we'll know for sure that he's shelved for 2016. If he is practicing, the speculation continues

Unfortunately for the curious, according to BK, there is not much for the Cowboys to lose by having him 'practice'. No physical needed. Perhaps if the chances are zero, they may feel obligated to put him on IR.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The rehab is not necessarily a long process. It depends on how the reinnervation happens. It does sometimes come on like a switch and not the gradual scenario the OP assumes.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I'm looking forward to seeing this guy play, but I don't want them to screw it up by playing him before he's ready and thus setting him back even further. Get him healed and in playing shape before sending him out to the field. He's also a rookie who did not practice in camp or play in the preseason. Even if he were 100 percent healthy would not mean he's ready to be effective.

 

[waldoputty]

Okay first thanks for posting this. I appreciate it. I've come to terms with the idea that he will not play this season and if he does it will be a bonus. My question is with what we know is reported, is the nerve healed and will there be a chance that he will be 100% ready to go at the start of next season? I guess my biggest concern is getting him on the field healthy at some point. Is it possible for him to play healthy with what we know? Is it a fact that the nerve has healed or are we just speculating based on Smith's happy posts and things Jerry has said?

Sorry to bog you down with all these questions, I just don't know this type of medicine or anything about the physiology around it and you do so my curiosity is killing. And I do appreciate what you have taken the time to post. thanks

No problem. Happy to share info with fellow fans.

Disclaimer
First of all, forgot to mention this, but I am not a MD or PhD. My info comes from 2 nerve regeneration PhDs whose info are a bit dated. So I dont have statistics other than what I find in medical journals etc.
@FuzzyLumpkins and @Doc50 may have a lot more info.

Actually @FuzzyLumpkins does not quite agree with all my conclusions - so I suggest you check with him to get his opinion.

Is the Nerve Healed
We do not know. No medical person has said anything that I can find publicly. We are operating on opinions from experts and tweets from various people and matching the anticipated timeline with these rumors/tweets/etc.
One useful piece of info. Given the time estimates from the medical people, the nerve should have gotten there by now, but are the connections between the nerve and the muscle connecting correctly? By now, if the nerve is not responding at all, most medical people tell me that there should have been surgical intervention - but there has only been happy tweets etc. But it does not mean he is 100% healed/rehabbed or he would be playing. Here is a simplistic way that I like to think about it - think of his nerve as a printer cable and his muscle as the printer. The injury disconnected the cable and damaged the last 6 inches of the cable so the printer cannot print even though the computer is sending (firing) the information. It takes a few months for the cable to get fixed and get back to the muscle, but because you unplugged the printer cable while the printer is on, the computer and printer need to talk to each other correctly. That is part of the way I think of the rehab. You cannot simply turn both off and then back on, resetting everything...

Jaylon's Chances This Season
I know it is preferable to put Jaylon's chances in a certain category, but I am going to put you back on the rollercoaster a bit. I am no expert, but from what I have read, IMO I am putting Jaylon's chances this year higher than 1 month ago. With no basis than just gut feeling, I was at 20% and I am now somewhere around 33%. The reason is there is no report of any setback that would require surgical correction. The most intriguing aspect of the situation is not what the Cowboys are saying, but it is what they are not saying. Jerry would not comment on whether the Cowboys would bring Smith back for a playoff run. "Jaylon Smith is in absolute excellent shape," Jones said. Adding: "...Certainly to the extent that we should be optimistic about some of the things we are seeing but that's obviously what I'm representing. We'll leave it at that, I don't think he's ready to go against Baltimore." IMO, Jerry sounds like the proverbial smug cat that ate the canary. The FO has seriously put the 'clamps' on him to shut him up (as well as Jaylon which IMO is much easier). IMO, Jerry is ready to burst and scream out loud to the world that the Cowboys, under the management of Jerry Jones, has just had the best draft in the history of the NFL. Of course, many call me an glass 3/4 full person. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000740119/article/jerry-jones-tackles-dak-romo-as-future-coach

Jaylon's Chances Next Season
I think most of us share your primary concern - that he gets close to 100% next season.
Next camp is more than 18 months after surgery.
Dr. Cooper said 9-15 months for full recovery.
So that is beyond the range given by the doctor.
IMO, if he is not close to ready for next camp, we are in trouble.
If he is close but not there, I would guess there is still hope.
But all the medical people are careful to say there are no guarantees for 100% success.
I tend to be optimistic in the sense that medical people do not want to jeopardize their reputation by overpromising. With professional reputation at stake, it is much safer to under-promise and over-deliver.
Here is an article I submitted in BTB that tried to translate the abstract of a medical journal article that compared statistics of injuries that were were worse and also a lot worse than Jaylon's injury:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016...l-literature-on-nerve-regeneration-statistics

 

[waldoputty]

The rehab is not necessarily a long process. It depends on how the reinnervation happens. It does sometimes come on like a switch and not the gradual scenario the OP assumes.

Hey Fuzzy, I talked to 2 experts and all the info I found say slow recovery.
Where did you get the quick recovery scenario from?

Thanks WP

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey Fuzzy, I talked to 2 experts and all the info I found say slow recovery.
Where did you get the quick recovery scenario from?

Thanks WP

From reading studies about reinnervation I found on google scholar.

I would also point out that the way you format quotes and bold things renders your posts confusing as to what is you and what is you quoting someone else.