News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[jobberone]

Are we really going to act like that wasn't Jimmy's team that won that last one? Really?

And if we are then
Jimmy 2 playoff wins in 4 years (because that's ludicrous to say since '93 like he's still coaching, he can't win a game on the pregame show... smh)
Jerrys 7 playoff wins in 23 years

Still apples to oranges.

 

[JoeKing]

He didn't, IIRC Jerry made Bill pick Ware before Spears

Bill didn't "pick" anyone. It was Jerry doing all the draft card submitting in Bill's day. Sometimes he listened to Bill and sometimes he didn't. And nothing has changed between Jerry and his HC.

 

[DandyDon52]

Jimmy playoff wins since 93 = 2
Jerry playoff wins since 93 = 7

I'm not a Jerry fan but facts are facts. Compare apples to apples.

why start yours in 93 ?? lol helps your case?
compare them career wise with jerry not getting credit for jimmys playoff wins, and see how that looks.

 

[DandyDon52]

Absolutely. Every NFL owner makes mistakes. For some franchises, they make them pretty regularly, for others not so much.

The difference is the good ones learn to correct those mistakes. With most teams the owner's mistake is hiring the wrong GM or front office staff. And if they don't produce in a few years, the good owners change direction and move on to the next one.

But that's Jerry's biggest failing. He hired Jerry Jones as GM in the mid-90's. And for twenty years of mediocrity, horrific trades, blown drafts, a merry go round of incompetent and (save 1) sycophant coaches, he refuses to fire the GM and change direction. And even as he approaches retirement he is prepared to hand over the whole shebang to his son, whose sole qualification for running the Cowboys is coming out of Mrs. Jones.

Yes all owners make mistakes. Not all owners stubbornly refuse to admit their biggest one for twenty years.

prepared to hand over the whole shebang to his son, whose sole qualification for running the Cowboys is coming out of Mrs. Jones........LOL
he refuses to fire the GM and change direction...... he also gives himself big raises in pay !

 

[DandyDon52]

I can't do that because it puts them on the same level and the coach of a back to back super bowl champion deserves more credit than that. Neither was as successful when apart but Jerry's had many more chances, how long has Jimmy been with Fox?

Jimmy's playoff wins in 4 years with Miami=2
Jerry's playoff wins last 20 years with Dallas =3

That is pretty bad, now if jimmy had stayed as HC how many playoff wins would dallas have had ??
Even those who dont like him would have to agree, we would have at least 10-15 wins in 20 years.
And probably another SB win or maybe 2.
When Romo came in , I think jimmy would have won a SB in 2007 and in 2014
Those were missed opportunitys.

 

[unionjack8]

Whatever blows your dress up.

Oh please, stop tryin to rewrite history .And enough with the feminine insults

 

[unionjack8]

Jimmy playoff wins since 93 = 2
Jerry playoff wins since 93 = 7

I'm not a Jerry fan but facts are facts. Compare apples to apples.

Pathetic, jimmy has been out of the game for 20 years,

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pathetic, jimmy as been ot hame for 20 hears,

Jimmy never won a playoff game in Miami and then quit football. I don't see how that plays into Jimmy's favor.

 

[unionjack8]

Jimmy never won a playoff game in Miami and then quit football. I don't see how that plays into Jimmy's favor.

Blah, incorrect, he did. Now move along.

 

[CCBoy]

Absolutely. Every NFL owner makes mistakes. For some franchises, they make them pretty regularly, for others not so much.

The difference is the good ones learn to correct those mistakes. With most teams the owner's mistake is hiring the wrong GM or front office staff. And if they don't produce in a few years, the good owners change direction and move on to the next one.

But that's Jerry's biggest failing. He hired Jerry Jones as GM in the mid-90's. And for twenty years of mediocrity, horrific trades, blown drafts, a merry go round of incompetent and (save 1) sycophant coaches, he refuses to fire the GM and change direction. And even as he approaches retirement he is prepared to hand over the whole shebang to his son, whose sole qualification for running the Cowboys is coming out of Mrs. Jones.

Yes all owners make mistakes. Not all owners stubbornly refuse to admit their biggest one for twenty years.

I wish that you could follow the real depth of search and discussion that actually goes on behind closed doors. Jerry has always sought outside of organization imput. He is a very thorough man at finding out specifics on players, abilities, and interactions with other players. When Jerry makes a gamble, they are just that...but he full well knows that the possible outcomes are. Some of those, he has lost. Some have been moderate, but he has also won on some others. That is the nature of the beast in the NFL.

But today, that free agency game is a necessary evil that all GM's have to confront. The Giants shoot for short periods of high cost, and the Cowboys don't now. But that was a learned process in itself.

The Cowboys do learn as the environment around the NFL changes as well. Free Agency frenzies are for teams that don't do as good a job in the draft. That was learned and not lost on the Cowboys. They showed physcal responsibility over the past five seasons. No, Jerry has learned from when the Dynasty fell apart under the burden of lost players still being owed money. That wasn't bad leadership, but the problems left behind when players were being paid for being part of a legitimate dynasy. No, it wasn't because of Barry Switzer...as the folk ballad goes.

Campo came into the Head Coach's position when Jerry just needed a head coach that he could trust, and who could just weather the final stages of death in the franchise. Not because Jerry was stupid in management of a team.

That is when Jerry again circled the wagons, and had intensive discussions with Bill Parcells. Standards for projections were a lot different at that point. As time develops more intensity and competition on analysis. Things get more sophisticated in practice. Bill ran with the ball, as long as his endurance would last. He literally burned the candle at both ends. I was in the stadium at the Alamodome in San Antonio...when he walked upon the field for his first Cowboys Training Camp practice. Directions refocused and changed at that point.

From the arrival of Parcells on, every coach Dallas has had, has taken his team to a playoff and had a strong winning season as well.

Another learning lesson occured at this point, for Jerry and his management group. The practice of catching up offensive lines with experienced and costly veterans, had to fail upon the passing of Bill.

Almost the entire offensive line had to be scrapped at the point of the Lock Out. That left a lingering cap management eye sore once again. That is when learning hit the organization once again on policy. That is when Stephen was credited with forging an updated policy of paying for strong journeymen types of free agents, that had a youthful side and who also projected to a potential third contract zone. That part depending upon the play of the new free agent. But cost already was taken into consideration, and were lowered from previous gambling levels. The Giants and Philadelphia and Washington ignore this aspect in their efforts during the off season. Washington is just now starting to re-involve their draft as a policy maker. I don't know about anyone else, but it would appear, at least to this fan, that nothing is being lost on the management group for Dallas. And YES, that includes Jerry Jones.

Injury is a brutal task master in the environment of the NFL today. Sorry, that is the cost of doing business today. Injury can humble the strongest of franchise, in a single series of player removal injuries. That's just life in the big city...not stupid drafting, contract offers, or lack of a general knowledge. **** happens.

Be that as it is, every coach from Bill Parcells, to Wade Phillips, to our current Jason Garrett...have led their teams strongly into the playoffs. Win or not, they got there. Sometimes a team has to take additional steps and learn to be winners in the playoffs themselves. That takes a strong group of players with maturity and experience together.

It takes about four seasons for a coach to gain direction in today's NFL. It is no longer the days when an owner could just up and invest his own personal fortunes to just go and buy good players. Things are no longer the same as when Mr. Murchison was the owner and had Tom Landry as his Head Coach. A franchise can make quick and stretching moves, but it takes about four seasons for a full adjustment and fit personnel to schemes that have arrived.

Jerry has learned that one's trenches forge the path for skills players. It takes both. Jason Garrett, in tune with today's pass dominant NFL, wisely chose to protect his franchise quarterback and his top producing receiver. That is a minimum for offensive production. With contracts of top players, there always will be a gamble...once again. But Jason also saw a deep need to establish his offensive line on a budget and with draft investments. With Collins added by the salesmanship of Jerry, the team got ahead of the curve as to quality offensive linemen. They currently are a stable, healthy, and strong group. They can make legends out of mere mortals as running backs. That is huge.

I'm sorry that social issues cloud many things in and around the NFL. But hey, that's big city today as well. Not all issues are easy and without projected costs, but the Cowboys have learned here as well.

For player protection, an integrated staff that assists each player on a Dallas Cowboy team, with any and all personal problems, mistakes, or social short comings that may be encountered. A player has to then own up to his own need for change. That is just a fact of life since Able slew Cain.

As to the injury status, the team presently has one of the very top conditioning and exercise programs in the NFL. The new facility will have everything that is top shelf in the training facility and out on fields. The medical staff has state of the art medical equipment, and the staff themselves, are leaders in all areas in the field. They are top of the line in all aspects. Here too, Jerry has learned and adjusted.

Now, as to Jerry being a failed and one-trick dog that fell from grace as soon as Benedict Jimmy left...c'mon, get a clue.

Jimmy Johnson helped the team become a Dynasty. Without him in the Jerry ownership, the Cowboys would not have achieved a dynasty. Fact...but saying Jimmy did it all, is a folk ballad of major mis-insight. Retune your guitar.

Jerry developed his own heart murmur, not sleeping and willing the team from red debits in his accoutants book, when the team moved from Tom Landry...to a positive cash flow that had to re-earn both fan and NFL respect. Well, they did, and yea, Jerry gets much credit as well.

When old Texas Stadium was headed the direction of the old Philadelphia smell-a-stadium, Jerry made a bold move. During a National crisis in the country's entire financial community, Jerry both financed and built a state-of-the-art field that draws much praise from around the world. It is top class, as will be the new Training Facility that will be opened very shortly. But at each step, Jerry has willingly shared all with the public and Cowboys fans.

As to accomplishments, Jerry is already one of the top five GM's in the history of the NFL. Fact. His actual records fall in with the leading GM's in current NFL football as well. No, the team is second place in total Lombardis, but three go to the win column of that same Jerry Jones as well. The GM still gets credit, as does the GM for New England in a situation with Bill Bellichick. Thats a fact, Jack.

As to franchise standings, the Cowboys, under Jerry Jones, is the top sports franchise in the world. Sorry, that also doesn't include being stupid. One has to know cash flow, development, and the sport to exist in that arena of success. It is a fact in the big city as well.

Recently, Dallas has some of the very best draft success in the NFL. Fact...and I don't care how fast some are now surrying to find a cherry picked and agenda filled excuse to try and eclipse that fact.

Over the past 10 seasons, Dallas is tied with two other teams for the most players drafted up top of each draft, and who played in a Pro Bowl. Over the past 6 seasons, players drafted at the top of drafts, make Dallas the very top drafter for both players in the Pro Bowl as well as Pro Bowl Players. That includes New England as well.

With Dallas, Bill Parcells had a 10 win, and 2-9 win seasons.

Wade Phillips had as 13, 11, and 9 win seasons.

Jason Garrett had 3 8 win seasons, and a 12 win season.

But the point here, is that all had a legitimate chance to make it to the NFC Championship games. Excuses or not.

No, the team hasn't been dead nor Jerry and his staff/coaches, haven't been ignoring the team or the NFL.

 

[CCBoy]

Blah, incorrect, he did. Now move along.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Blah, incorrect, he did. Now move along.

Getting one point of fact wrong doesn't discount the premise. He has won a single playoff game without Jerry. Point still stands.

Have anything better than a blanket dismissal and a point of fact? Seems you are just emotional.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you entertained yet!

 

[jobberone]

why start yours in 93 ?? lol helps your case?
compare them career wise with jerry not getting credit for jimmys playoff wins, and see how that looks.

Start in 89 then

 

[unionjack8]

Getting one point of fact wrong doesn't discount the premise. He has won a single playoff game without Jerry. Point still stands.

Have anything better than a blanket dismissal and a point of fact? Seems you are just emotional.

You are so desperate to bash jimmy that you flat out made stuff up.

Rearrange these words

ALL YOU LOST CREDIBILITY

and this is me signing off this thread.

 

[jobberone]

Oh please, stop tryin to rewrite history .And enough with the feminine insults

Just a phrase. Whatever floats your boat then

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are so desperate to bash jimmy that you flat out made stuff up.

Rearrange these words

ALL YOU LOST CREDIBILITY

and this is me signing off this thread.

I was wrong on a point of fact and freely admitted it. If that is the basis to discredit someone then bye-bye. He still didn't have a good run in Miami.

I'm not desperate to bash Jimmy. I'm interested in objective truth.

 

[wileedog]

Getting one point of fact wrong doesn't discount the premise. He has won a single playoff game without Jerry. Point still stands..

He actually won two in four years, which around here would get you a statue these days.

 

[plymkr]

In Miami, Jimmy Johnson managed to draft Daryl Gardener, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Zach Thomas, Kenny Mixon and Lorenzo Bromell - basically the core of a very good defense for nearly ten years.

Where he came up short was drafting on the offensive side of the ball. He didn't draft any offensive difference makers - only spare parts like Stanley Pritchett, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Ed Perry and Rob Konrad.

For as bad as Johnson was in Miami, from the time he took over the Dolphins until the present, the Cowboys have won one more playoff game than his Dolphins did - and Johnson hasn't coached for the last 16 years.

Exactly.

 

[plymkr]

I don't want to disrespect Jimmy. He did a great job and is a great coach. I just get frustrated with the media and some cowboy fans who conveniently forget about his Miami days which were mediocre at best.

Once again, Jimmy was never the same without Jerry and vice versa. If that combination could have worked we would have been a power house for a very long time. They needed each other to have the success they had. One without the other has shown to be average.

It's a shame