News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

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I don't want to disrespect Jimmy. He did a great job and is a great coach. I just get frustrated with the media and some cowboy fans who conveniently forget about his Miami days which were mediocre at best.

Once again, Jimmy was never the same without Jerry and vice versa. If that combination could have worked we would have been a power house for a very long time. They needed each other to have the success they had. One without the other has shown to be average.

It's a shame

Probably close to the actual truth...and moving forward and growing through the pain, really cost Jerry. But he did learn as well. And he also did not quit.
 

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He actually won two in four years, which around here would get you a statue these days.

You're close, 1 playoff win will give you a 5 year contract extension. Now that I think about it you're probably right, all JG needs is 1 more playoff win.
 

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I don't want to disrespect Jimmy. He did a great job and is a great coach. I just get frustrated with the media and some cowboy fans who conveniently forget about his Miami days which were mediocre at best.

Once again, Jimmy was never the same without Jerry and vice versa. If that combination could have worked we would have been a power house for a very long time. They needed each other to have the success they had. One without the other has shown to be average.

It's a shame

Which Miami days? The ones at The University of Miami where he coached in the National Championship game twice, winning once and then getting enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame or the Dolphins days. By the way what has Jerry done before or after Jimmy?
 

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I don't want to disrespect Jimmy. He did a great job and is a great coach. I just get frustrated with the media and some cowboy fans who conveniently forget about his Miami days which were mediocre at best.

Once again, Jimmy was never the same without Jerry and vice versa. If that combination could have worked we would have been a power house for a very long time. They needed each other to have the success they had. One without the other has shown to be average.

It's a shame

I get frustrated with fans that forget Jimmy was forced to play with a quarterback who was an icon but years past his prime and cost Jimmy game after game.

I can't believe anybody thinks Jimmy wasn't the major reason this team won and Jerry is the biggest reason it has lost ever since he decided to try and play Jimmy Johnson. The guy has come out and stated that he runs everything from jocks to socks yet some will claim he's not at fault. I'm happy to say he seems to have finally reached out for help especially in the draft room and hope springs eternal.
 

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Cue the when the media agrees with my opinion they are informed and intelligent...when they don't they are mediot hacks.

See above.

Yeah, but this isn't an opinion piece. The contrast between our late round draft results and those of the teams that have been genuine contenders over the last 20 years speaks for itself.
 

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Jerry should get credit for being the owner and hiring Jimmy. He also signed the checks for the players Jimmy wanted. Those are the things he should get for. That is it. He has marketed the team and made money, but has not put good football teams on the field. Jerry is very talented at certain things. Building a winning team is not one of those things.
 

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I get frustrated with fans that forget Jimmy was forced to play with a quarterback who was an icon but years past his prime and cost Jimmy game after game.

I can't believe anybody thinks Jimmy wasn't the major reason this team won and Jerry is the biggest reason it has lost ever since he decided to try and play Jimmy Johnson. The guy has come out and stated that he runs everything from jocks to socks yet some will claim he's not at fault. I'm happy to say he seems to have finally reached out for help especially in the draft room and hope springs eternal.

...and he couldn't co-exist with Jerry Jones...oh, okay. But, won with him...Jimmy also tried to use that Miami head guy's son as his own offensive coordinator, and had to fire him the very next season.

One might get a tour job as a guide, with all the fishing for excuses being displayed. Jerry made a statement early in the purchase transitions, that he was forced to be responsible for all accountabilities for the organization, as expense and control was being reorganized and directed. Huge difference in what is being advertised above, and reality of the jobs then.

The dynamics was in the combination of both Jerry and Jimmy, in the NFL as it existed back then. Anything less than that snapshot, loses touch with the actual reality that was functioning. But Jimmy earned his own departure, and it wasn't on not being able to win. That already completely existed in Dallas...and NO owner would have put up with open insult.
 

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Yeah, but this isn't an opinion piece. The contrast between our late round draft results and those of the teams that have been genuine contenders over the last 20 years speaks for itself.

Bet...now provide a full picture of statistics to prove out what you state, and don't go by purely a lack of NFC Championships or Lombardis as the cherry picking.
 

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Jerry should get credit for being the owner and hiring Jimmy. He also signed the checks for the players Jimmy wanted. Those are the things he should get for. That is it. He has marketed the team and made money, but has not put good football teams on the field. Jerry is very talented at certain things. Building a winning team is not one of those things.

Not true, the GM for all teams is involved in more than signing pay checks.

Now start providing actual news releases or published articles that clarify just what you state, and that rely upon more than Aunt Susie told Pa Paw.
 

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...and he couldn't co-exist with Jerry Jones...oh, okay. But, won with him...Jimmy also tried to use that Miami head guy's son as his own offensive coordinator, and had to fire him the very next season.

One might get a tour job as a guide, with all the fishing for excuses being displayed. Jerry made a statement early in the purchase transitions, that he was forced to be responsible for all accountabilities for the organization, as expense and control was being reorganized and directed. Huge difference in what is being advertised above, and reality of the jobs then.

The dynamics was in the combination of both Jerry and Jimmy, in the NFL as it existed back then. Anything less than that snapshot, loses touch with the actual reality that was functioning. But Jimmy earned his own departure, and it wasn't on not being able to win. That already completely existed in Dallas...and NO owner would have put up with open insult.

Please, exactly how are you related to the Jones? I'm being totally serious.
 

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Please, exactly how are you related to the Jones? I'm being totally serious.

C'mon, serious left the equation as soon as there was a response, with a question involved...and any word involving Jones.

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I get frustrated with fans that forget Jimmy was forced to play with a quarterback who was an icon but years past his prime and cost Jimmy game after game.

I can't believe anybody thinks Jimmy wasn't the major reason this team won and Jerry is the biggest reason it has lost ever since he decided to try and play Jimmy Johnson. The guy has come out and stated that he runs everything from jocks to socks yet some will claim he's not at fault. I'm happy to say he seems to have finally reached out for help especially in the draft room and hope springs eternal.

:laugh: I bet you get frustrated a lot.

Marino was past his prime but Jimmy was a defensive guy and struggled without a quality OC pretty consistently throughout his career. He trotted out Kippy Brown, a RB coach, after he canned Shula's guy. Marino's age wasn't a secret and when it came to replace him, he quit.

He wasn't doing Marino or the Dolphins any favors.

As for the second paragraph you can be frustrated with me because I refuse to think in terms of oversimplifications like that. I'm not even sure what Jerry does. You seem to struggle with the idea of reserving judgment. I am reluctant to play the blame game.

Jerry reached out for help from the time he bought the team. He brought in Jimmy first, then Parcells. Now it seems he has a council type system with Stephen, McClay and Garrett all figuring prominently. He has struggled when he brings in bad people like Lacewell but he was part of all of it.

What I think is funny is how guys like the Mara's just have to use a chamberlain like Reese and they get a pass. Mike Brown does the same thing; that dude didn't have a scouting department and would wing it on draft day until recently. I actually like Jerry because he doesn't play the platonic guardian to avoid scrutiny.
 

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C'mon, serious left the equation as soon as there was a response, with a question involved...and any word involving Jones.

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So it's a yes then, that explains a lot. Carry on
 

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Jerry should get credit for being the owner and hiring Jimmy. He also signed the checks for the players Jimmy wanted. Those are the things he should get for. That is it. He has marketed the team and made money, but has not put good football teams on the field. Jerry is very talented at certain things. Building a winning team is not one of those things.

That is definitely what Jimmy wanted the view to be. When Bobby Beathard of San Diego told the national press how Jerry had worked with the Rooney's to facilitate the trade for Thomas Everett from Pittsburgh is when he started to melt down.

This all or nothing paradigm is cute though if not surprising.
 

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Jimmy was 7-1 in playoffs with Dallas, won 6 of those in a row counting the SB wins, that is a cowboy record.
After jimmy's team came apart by 98 , since then jerry is 2-8 in playoffs
With jimmy's team in 94,95,96 he was 5-2 , add those and total is 7-10 without jimmy, so 7-1 or 7-10, which is better?

plus the 7-10 is 22 years and only 17 playoff games, and most were with jimmy's team!
since 98 the 2-8 is what 19 years and only 10 playoff games, and they only won 2 WC games !
 

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Jimmy was 7-1 in playoffs with Dallas, won 6 of those in a row counting the SB wins, that is a cowboy record.
After jimmy's team came apart by 98 , since then jerry is 2-8 in playoffs
With jimmy's team in 94,95,96 he was 5-2 , add those and total is 7-10 without jimmy, so 7-1 or 7-10, which is better?

plus the 7-10 is 22 years and only 17 playoff games, and most were with jimmy's team!
since 98 the 2-8 is what 19 years and only 10 playoff games, and they only won 2 WC games !

JG is 1-1 as HC and if you count the 3 win and in games he is 1-4.
with JG as OC 1-2
Since JG arrived as OC in 2007 they are 2-3 in playoffs, that is 9 years, 5 playoff games and we lost most of them.
 
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JG is 1-1 as HC and if you count the 3 win and in games he is 1-4.
with JG as OC 1-2
Since JG arrived as OC in 2007 they are 2-3 in playoffs, that is 9 years, 5 playoff games and we lost most of them.

So by your logic....or lack thereof....Romo sucks. (we won't count the win and in since again you are apples to oranges BTW)

Tom Landry = 2 SB wins out of 5
Jerry Jones = 3 SB wins out of 3

Jerry wins. So much for isolated stats comparing a coach and a GM.

You look at the volume of work and where they started and what they had to work with including their jobs. Ultimately you're comparing a coach and a GM and this is illogical to begin with. But don't let that stop you.....I'm sure it won't.

Who's the better QB.....Archie Manning or Mark Rypien? Jim Plunkett or Fran Tarkenton? The answer lies not in the answer but in the question.
 
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