Next Demarcus Ware?

[RealCowboyfan]

Which one? I think Adeyanju will be a 2nd rounder. We could take Jon Scott in the first and have both postions filled.

Jon scott in the second, Adeyanju in the 3rd and maybe Manny Lawson in the first or Sonorice Moss...

 

[jimmy40]

minor detail...underscoring means emphasizing...I'm sure you are being critical of my post for perhaps underestimating.

And you are correct...in my opinion Ware is a long way from becoming a real lb. He's a stand up DE...I don't call that run support...it's his job to protect the outside the same as a DE in the 4-3....he doesn't do well in pass coverage...thus he wasn't asked to do it much. He didn't even line up on different sides of the field much...he basically lined up as a DE on the right side of the defense almost exclusively.

Maybe he has the talent and ability to become a LB...I won't suggest he doesn't, but nothing he did this year indicated that he's a real LB. Right now he's the OLB in charge of getting after the QB in the 3-4. I don't see how you could argue that. When asked to cover RB's or TE's, he tended to lose them, especially in the red zone for TD's...I think that's why we used him mostly as a 1 trick pony this year. He'd never even played on this feet in college before, so this is all a major transition for him.

 

[jimmy40]

are you serious? Ware led the team in TFL and was 2nd in QB pressures, and had offenses focusing in on him for much of the year, he did exactly what he was brought in to do as a rookie

kind of flies in the face for that BS staying back in coverage you were talking about.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

kind of flies in the face for that BS staying back in coverage you were talking about.

uh...no it doesn't

 

[RealCowboyfan]

are you serious? Ware led the team in TFL and was 2nd in QB pressures, and had offenses focusing in on him for much of the year, he did exactly what he was brought in to do as a rookie

To update your memory Demarcus Ware was first on QB pressures in his rookie season...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Some of these 3-4 experts need to let Belichick know how you're supposed to run a 3-4. Evidently, he's still in the dark. He has has 4 tweener, former college DE's playing OLB for the Patriots. Vrabel was strictly a hand on the ground DE in college. As was McGinnest. As was Colvin. As was Banta Cain. None of them were even credited with as much as 5 passes defensed last year.

And when the Ravens lined up with Suggs and Boulware as their OLB's in the 3-4 under Mike Nolan, who was the pass rusher and who was coverage guy between those two? Or the Texans between Peek and Babin? Who was the pass coverage OLB with the Chargers between Foley, Merriman and Philips?

My gosh, does no one in the NFL know how to properly run a 3-4 defense?

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Someone needs to tell Belichick how you're "supposed to' run a 3-4, since he has 4 tweener, former college DE's playing OLB for the Patriots.

Well someone needs to tell Parcells size doesn't matter, it's production...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well someone needs to tell Parcells size doesn't matter, it's production...

*WOOSH*

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Cowboys need a lineback that could cover the pass, run, and blitz... the ultimate linebacker, and I see that in Victor Adeyanju....maybe manny lawson... or Utep linebacker that's coming out, who trying to be a safety..

 

[Clove]

Manny Lawson or Mark Anderson or Carpenter would fit the mold. They can all get after the QB, and they all have the instincts and spped to cover.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Manny Lawson or Mark Anderson or Carpenter would fit the mold. They can all get after the QB, and they all have the instincts and spped to cover.

I do like Manny Lawson...

 

[RealCowboyfan]

From the looks, it look like Manny Lawson is the next D. Ware...

Thoughts?

 

[Clove]

From the looks, it look like Manny Lawson is the next D. Ware...

Thoughts?

I think that on pure speed alone and aggressiveness, it would be Lawson4.43 speed, StanleyMcClover 6.3 255 4.5 maybe even a 4.4 speed. Those two are Tall lean and FAST!

 

[nathanlt]

Let me tell you.. guess what if he have a vicious combine... Cowboys will draft him....1st Round... @ first Demarcus Ware was consider a 2nd to 3rd Round until Cowboys start getting really looks at him...

We could draft him and Manny Lawson why not? solify the defense...

Why not do this for one 3-4 play...

OLB>>>>>>>>ILB>>>>>>ILB>>>>>>>>OLB
D.Ware------R.Lewis-----B.James-----K.Thorton

DE>>>>>>>>>>>DT>>>>>>>>>>>DE
M.Lawson-------J.Ferguson-------V.Adeyanju

DOOMSDAY IS BACK>>>^Just for one play

D.Ware= Pass-rusher
R.Lewis= Motivating Intimidator
B.James= Balanced
K.Thorton= Pass-rusher
M.Lawson= Pass-rusher
V.Adeyanju= Pass-rusher
J.Ferguson= Plug up the middle

Hey look, I'm just trying to help you out here as a friend. You are suffering from a severe case of "out with the old, in with the new" You've just benched Ellis, Glover, Canty, and two promising underrated guys in Ratliff and the new Pepper Johnson. All of these new guys to avoid helping our future at O-line, WR and safety.

Hey, we all go a little crazy around draft time. It's understandable!!!

 

[Clove]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan
Let me tell you.. guess what if he have a vicious combine... Cowboys will draft him....1st Round... @ first Demarcus Ware was consider a 2nd to 3rd Round until Cowboys start getting really looks at him...

We could draft him and Manny Lawson why not? solify the defense...

Why not do this for one 3-4 play...

OLB>>>>>>>>ILB>>>>>>ILB>>>>>>>>OLB
D.Ware------R.Lewis-----B.James-----K.Thorton

DE>>>>>>>>>>>DT>>>>>>>>>>>DE
M.Lawson-------J.Ferguson-------V.Adeyanju

DOOMSDAY IS BACK>>>^Just for one play

D.Ware= Pass-rusher
R.Lewis= Motivating Intimidator
B.James= Balanced
K.Thorton= Pass-rusher
M.Lawson= Pass-rusher
V.Adeyanju= Pass-rusher
J.Ferguson= Plug up the middle

We have a problem with this picture.
You have Manny Lawson 6.5 240 and V.Adeyanju 6'3 268 and you sit down Canty 6'7 295 and Spears 6'4 300.
Those guys would be going up against the biggest men on the team. Our defense would be completely run over. I would not even pass against that defense, I would just run for 300 yards a game.

You have to have huge men playing the end positions in a 3-4, go check out the Steelers/Patriots/Chargers and you'll see. And I know you want to do it for one play, but they would score on that play...lol

 

[dwmyers]

I fear I'm going to sound a bit like a broken record, but adding 10 pounds to our interior defensive linebackers won't mean a damn if the team NT is being handled by a center, cause then you have exposed linebackers getting blown away by 320 pound guards.

If you're going to stop the run in the 3-4, it starts with the nose tackle and right now we don't exactly have Casey Hampton at the nose. And with most draftniks giving away Ellis and Glover for peanuts and a peek at the bearded lady, I'm not sure exactly how we replace our two best linemen.

The defensive tackles this year seem awfully uninspiring. Is Gabe Watson worth #18?

Part of the defense running issue is that the play of a Parcells team is predicated on the offense holding onto the ball a long long time and giving the defense a rest. Fresh defensive players equate to less exhaustion and more peak performance, and further, to a lot less last minute collapse.

Perhaps the best thing we can do for this defense is ensure that our running game isn't erratic next year.

Fact is you can get these LB/DE tweeners with draft choices lower than a first. Pittsburgh isn't starting a single #1 draft pick in their linebacker corps, and right now they're the prototype of a 3-4 team.

It might be worthwhile to go into a pick like #18 with an open mind and an ear for a Parcells player. And by this I mean someone who will give 120% and leave it all on the field. I don't care who that is, whether it be OLB, ILB, OT, WR, or RB. For all we know, the BPA at 18 could be LenDale White.

David.

 

[Clove]

I fear I'm going to sound a bit like a broken record, but adding 10 pounds to our interior defensive linebackers won't mean a damn if the team NT is being handled by a center, cause then you have exposed linebackers getting blown away by 320 pound guards.

If you're going to stop the run in the 3-4, it starts with the nose tackle and right now we don't exactly have Casey Hampton at the nose. And with most draftniks giving away Ellis and Glover for peanuts and a peek at the bearded lady, I'm not sure exactly how we replace our two best linemen.

The defensive tackles this year seem awfully uninspiring. Is Gabe Watson worth #18?

Part of the defense running issue is that the play of a Parcells team is predicated on the offense holding onto the ball a long long time and giving the defense a rest. Fresh defensive players equate to less exhaustion and more peak performance, and further, to a lot less last minute collapse.

Perhaps the best thing we can do for this defense is ensure that our running game isn't erratic next year.

Fact is you can get these LB/DE tweeners with draft choices lower than a first. Pittsburgh isn't starting a single #1 draft pick in their linebacker corps, and right now they're the prototype of a 3-4 team.

It might be worthwhile to go into a pick like #18 with an open mind and an ear for a Parcells player. And by this I mean someone who will give 120% and leave it all on the field. I don't care who that is, whether it be OLB, ILB, OT, WR, or RB. For all we know, the BPA at 18 could be LenDale White.

David.

I've been screaming Gabe Watson's name for the longest, but no one's listening..

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I've been screaming Gabe Watson's name for the longest, but no one's listening..

yeah he's real good...

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Hey look, I'm just trying to help you out here as a friend. You are suffering from a severe case of "out with the old, in with the new" You've just benched Ellis, Glover, Canty, and two promising underrated guys in Ratliff and the new Pepper Johnson. All of these new guys to avoid helping our future at O-line, WR and safety.

Hey, we all go a little crazy around draft time. It's understandable!!!

im just saying for one play because of all of their speed... just blitzing...

 

[dwmyers]

I've been screaming Gabe Watson's name for the longest, but no one's listening..

If he falls, Haloti Ngata perhaps.