Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[America's Cowboy]

Call it what you want don't matter to me and will never apologize for it either. You're the one that tried the "broke" trope when I'm just being realistic and saying I'm far from that. I guess being a Dak groupie will have you reaching for that lazy trope to defend your avg QB play. You're right though I don't get how y'all are groupie for a other grown man and definitely one that is avg. You got me right there.

Dak is the Cowboys franchise QB. You're on a Cowboys Fan Forum. Get a clue, genius.

 

[CowboyStar88]

You mean other than the 22 yard laser he threw to Cooper that went for 90, right?

What does this comment have to do with the fact that cooper is averaging 4.0 yards of separation? Oh my one pass? Seriously? How low the bar is these days.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

His fumbles have killed that number. Yes, the third down stuff has as well.

I think it is an excellent stat though. Look at the top guys, they should be the top guys based on performance. Now look at Rating....everyone is over a 100 now it seems. It is a joke of a stat now.

I agree, I do like QBR in general... I like the idea of it. I think a good stat should tell you something that you don’t know, not just confirm what you think. But it’s a fine line. For example, while people in Tampa Bay will tell you they have two unreliable QBs that they keep desperately shuffling to no avail, QBR is currently saying not to worry, you have two of the top 11 QBs in the league...

 

[Ken]

Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.

I guarantee back in 2003 there was a 'Direwolf63' Charger equivalent on a message board somewhere saying the exact same thing after Brees posted these numbers in his 3rd year:

57.6%, 11 tds, 15 ints. 67.5 rating.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yet the Dak Fanboy club can’t let Romo go who hasn’t been on this team in almost 2 years. You all routinely bring him into convos because you got nothing else. Let Romo go and focus on “your guy”.

Dak is the Cowboys "guy". Either support or go find another team.

 

[DFWJC]

Except when they talk about QB's.

They always say...

[insert QB] is 10 - 2 as a starter, etc.

They say it, but its silly.
Its not golf or tennis

 

[Ken]

I agree, I do like QBR in general... I like the idea of it. I think a good stat should tell you something that you don’t know, not just confirm what you think. But it’s a fine line. For example, while people in Tampa Bay will tell you they have two unreliable QBs that they keep desperately shuffling to no avail, QBR is currently saying not to worry, you have two of the top 11 QBs in the league...

What i think it does a great job of measuring is when a qb makes a play that isn't normally made. Like avoiding a sack and throwing for a first. Like throwing into tight coverage and completing for a first. It caluculates the effectiveness of a qb running. I think it also takes clutch into account.

That is how a qb should be measured. Not on how they can throw a screen pass and get a td for it.

I have felt the last two years that Dak consistently made plays that a lot of qb didn't and in clutch situations. I have had that feeling a lot less this year and I think the QBR reflects that accurately.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Dak is the Cowboys "guy". Either support or go find another team.

Lol the old go support another team comment. Worry about yourself there guy.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dak is the Cowboys franchise QB. You're on a Cowboys Fan Forum. Get a clue, genius.

Yeah I did get a clue you're a Dak groupie and groupies don't see anything wrong with avg. Seems you're used to avg and no crap its a cowboys fan forum. What it isn't though is a Dak groupie forum so whats your point if I think he is avg?

 

[Ken]

They say it, but its silly.
Its not golf or tennis

When the qb you are talking about has 12 4th quarter game winning drives in less than 3 years, I believe it is relevant.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dak is the Cowboys "guy". Either support or go find another team.

Why don't you support Garrett and tell those who don't to find another team? Hell if anybody has any disagreements about the team why don't you tell them to support anther team? Guess you're always fine with every move using your logic or does that only apply to Dak groupie business?

 

[Ken]

Yeah I did get a clue you're a Dak groupie and groupies don't see anything wrong with avg. Seems you're used to avg and no crap its a cowboys fan forum. What it isn't though is a Dak groupie forum so whats your point if I think he is avg?

There is nothing average about 17 rushing tds from your qb in less than 3 years. Very few qbs have done that in the history of the league I would guess.

Also, his first 2 3/4 years in the league....I doubt there are more than a couple who have put up better numbers across the board to start their careers. Also, NOT AVERAGE.

So please....what is so average about this qb again?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dak is the Cowboys "guy". Either support or go find another team.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

 

[Nav22]

There is nothing average about 17 rushing tds from your qb in less than 3 years. Very few qbs have done that in the history of the league I would guess.

Also, his first 2 3/4 years in the league....I doubt there are more than a couple who have put up better numbers across the board to start their careers. Also, NOT AVERAGE.

So please....what is so average about this qb again?

His draft status.

That’s literally it.

 

[kapolani]

They say it, but its silly.
Its not golf or tennis

But, it is the one position that has control of the ball on almost every single play that can affect the outcome of the game.

It is the position that everything flows from.

Of course they are going to be bench marked by their win/loss record.

If that is true, Dak is doing pretty well for himself.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not true. Especially since the scoreboard is not a stat.

The score is the only thing that matters in the end, but it is erroneous to believe that all other stats are irrelevant. To be accurate, stats must be taken in context w/ all facets taken into account.

I disagree. Stats are like documentaries. The film maker has an agenda and in most cases the documentary supports that agenda. Same with stats. You said it yourself. Take it in context. But the stats are not presented in context here. They are presented as the ender to a debate.

Context is seldom offered. Perhaps on purpose.

 

[Direwolf63]

I guarantee back in 2003 there was a 'Direwolf63' Charger equivalent on a message board somewhere saying the exact same thing after Brees posted these numbers in his 3rd year:

57.6%, 11 tds, 15 ints. 67.5 rating.

Drew Brees is a pink unicorn.

There is no comparison

 

[DFWJC]

When the qb you are talking about has 12 4th quarter game winning drives in less than 3 years, I believe it is relevant.

Not a big deal.
Even game winning drives require an entire offense.
But that's better than giving entire team (defense, offense, soecials) won-loss records to one player who’s noteven on the field for half the game.
They do it, but I think its kind of dumb.
Jmo

 

[Ken]

Drew Brees is a pink unicorn.

There is no comparison

Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick who was hot garbage after year 3 in the nfl.

Just sayin'

 

[Ken]

Not a big deal.
Even game winning drives require an entire offense.
But that's better than giving entire team (defense, offense, soecials) won-loss records to one player who’s noteven on the field for half the game.
They do it, but I think its kind if dumb.
Jmo

I agree, i hate when the measure of a qb is if they won a super bowl. I can't stand it even, especially when it clearly isn't their fault.

However, I like the stat in Dak's case because of the GWD stat and how we play football, which usually involves a close game. Also, because he is a young qb, wins are hard to come by for young qb usually.