Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[cheftjpeck]

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As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.
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LMAO!!!! I know it’s a what have you done for me lately league but weren’t you claiming it’s all smoke and mirrors in previous seasons like 2016 his QBR had him ranked 3rd overall and 2017 4th ?? Now his QBR is correct because he is 23rd ? Just saying

 

[gjkoeppen]

Retired and own a small independent business. Have plenty of down time. How about you?

So you're ok with grown men who starred for our Cowboys playing hide-n-go-seek alone in the mountains of West Virginia? You were fine with the Cabo trip during the playoffs or going Hollywood for years during his early prime years, etc?

If you're saying because he dated a movie star, no I have ZERO problems with that. I'm not the Cowboys dating police. I'm also not the Cowboys bachelor party police. Lastly his head coach, Phillips, told the ENTIRE team to take a few days and get away from the facility so Romo with his "gone hollywood" Spears and Witten and his wife went to Cabo for 3 days and then what all you Romo haters don't say he was the FIRST player to show up at the facility hours early to watch film on his own before their first practice for the up coming playoff game. You can be the unofficial Cowboys police for dating, bachelor parties and coach ordered getting away if you want, but don't make it sound like a bad thing if I don't want to share that honor.
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[Philmonroe]

Those that are okay with it are merely cheerleaders who are okay with anything this team does. I had these same discussions when Quincy was the QB.

QB is the most important, impactful position in all of sports. The Cowboys already have a huge handicap at GM and head coach. To be okay with going into games with a disadvantage at QB as well is insane to me. We can't possibly travel a harder road to a title than that.

But again, these people accept anything they're given. They don't really have opinions. They saw the intelligence of the "get by" philosophy along the OL years ago and then celebrated a complete 180 of that when the Cowboys made it a top priority. Both plans were brilliant. Go Cowboys.

Every single one of them would laugh at Dak Prescott if he wore a Commanders or Eagles uniform. You can't take them seriously. You learn over time who is reasonable and who is not and approach their comments accordingly.

Some do it with Wentz now (Don't care either just being real) so I know if that was Dak putting up these same numbers on another NFCE team they'd be trashing him.

 

[CATCH17]

Have all of you that say Prescott doesn't have any arm talent seem to forget his rookie year and what his passer rating was. It's funny when the Cowboys were 13 - 3 and had over a 100 passer rating and was offensive rookie of the year we did hear or see thread after thread of his lack of arm talent. And then in 2017 the Cowboys had the league leader in drops, Bryant, and even sure handed Beasley had more drops in 2017 than the previous 2 seasons combined and yet it's all Prescott without much arm talent. Then in week 9 the Cowboys acquire Cooper and Prescott's passing gets much better. What it boils down to is when the Cowboys weren't winning or having a 13-3 record it's all Prescott's fault, there are no OTHER reasons for it.
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This is the Jerry Jones mindset.


1 good year should not buy you a career or huge contract in Dallas.

Dak was fantastic his rookie year but he’s still that same QB and hasn’t progressed.

 

[Nav22]

This might be the best way to look at it. We might be able to win with Dak but he's never going to be that guy that can overcome crap breaking down all around him like other top QBs can and have.

And of course, you base that on absolutely nothing.

Remember the 1st Commanders game this year? On the road? We had ZERO run game and awful pass protection, but Dak made enough plays to force OT anyways. The kicker missed.

We were also facing a steep deficit vs Green Bay in the 2016 Divisional Playoffs, and Dak’s passing brought us back.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

LMAO!!!! I know it’s a what have you done for me lately league but weren’t you claiming it’s all smoke and mirrors in previous seasons like 2016 his QBR had him ranked 3rd overall and 2017 4th ?? Now his QBR is correct because he is 23rd ? Just saying

Who denied Dak played well in 2016?

Who is denying he's playing poorly in 2017?

Who is in both camps?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Hahahahahahah

What an absolutely terrible post.

Just AWFUL.

Hey, next time we discuss Dak’s stats, should we also include the inconvenient little detail on whether or not the Cowboys won the game?

Or nah?

Why would we discuss a team statistic about the winner of a game when discussing an individual contributor?

 

[kapolani]

Pulling for Dak, but come on...
QBs dont have W/L records, teams do.

Except when they talk about QB's.

They always say...

[insert QB] is 10 - 2 as a starter, etc.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The game of football rather often comes down to only a handful of plays that decide games.

This actually isn't true. Common logical fallacy.

It is the accumulation of plays that determines a winner. You're just so myopic you focus on the plays at the end of the game and not those throughout.

 

[mardwin]

What is Dak's W/L record?

with or without Zeke?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Aikman said Dak's sucks also, so what, you need some Romo hatred management help, its really really sad. Guess your one of the few who would rather of stayed home instead of spending the week end with Jessica, (what does that say (Tell) about you by your own reasoning)

Thank you for clarifying why you don't get it. Choker lover right here, folks. ^^^^

 

[Philmonroe]

Retired and own a small independent business. Have plenty of down time. How about you?

So you're ok with grown men who starred for our Cowboys playing hide-n-go-seek alone in the mountains of West Virginia? You were fine with the Cabo trip during the playoffs or going Hollywood for years during his early prime years, etc?

Trade stocks and had more big time lucky days than bad days (which I've had a few). I also have two loving parents that are well off financially so I was pretty much set for life even before I was born and did jack spit. So when you try your junk live in my mothers basement try again and even if that was the case groupie it's a very nice "basement".

 

[kapolani]

0-0, like every other player in history.

Except when they discuss QB's.

They always mention their record as a starter or their ability to win games.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Why? Because he wasnt turning the ball over and he wasnt getting sacked. And look at that Yrd per avg. Why because the offense was complete. What do they have right now? a Patched up OL with a WR core that has Cooper and who else? You people are amazing, you can never just say ok maybe i should think about what im typing because somebody who knows what theyre talking about is going to poke holes in my theory. Dallas leads the league in allowed sacks. Its not all the OL some of it is Dak not knowing when not to take a sack. But the majority of the time its the OL not able to protect. Sacks are the biggest downfall in a QBR.

Sorry, but you have no idea what ur posting.

And just for you, Aaron Rodgers is only 3 spots ahead of Dak in QBR. He's a bad QB too?

Youre trying to argue a bull stat, when you should be looking at a win.

TD to sack ratio for 2016
TD to sack ratio for 2018

How many game winning dirves did Dak have in 2016?
How many this yr?

These two stats alone are the difference. When you dont know you will try to argue til ur dead. Even when you know ur wrong.

You said QBR is set up in such a way Dak could never have a high one. You're... Wrong. Period.

Please just accept your L.

 

[Nightman]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Problem is Mariota didn't lose them the game..... their run defense did

TEN got stopped at the goal line and immediately gave up a 97 yd TD and 275 rushing yards total

DWatson also made some big plays with his legs

Nothing to remember here

 

[gjkoeppen]

Records mean nothing to me. It's what you do in the playoffs. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

Good enough but then remember this is a TEAM game and not just a QB against the other team's defense.
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[Risen Star]

Dak was not fantastic passing his rookie year. He was the same limited QB he is now. Defenses are now aware he can't really play the position and his warts have shown.

That year was not sustainable just like Robert Griffin III's rookie year wasn't. You can't consistently win in this league in such a limited offense. Defenses figure out what you're doing and force you to do something else. Dak Prescott can't do anything else. He's only capable of playing checkdown game manager hoping his running game and defense can carry him.

 

[kapolani]

with or without Zeke?

As a starter?

How about with or without Tyron? Or, Sean Lee?

We can go round and round, but the mark of a QB is always by their win/loss record.

 

[Direwolf63]

The "eye test" is almost always somebody's way of saying, "This stat doesn't match what I saw, but I'm too lazy to figure out why."

Mariota's 3rd down numbers in that game were a lot like Weeden's when he was in Dallas -- skewed by a lot of completions short of the sticks on 3rd down. In small samples, you can be fooled by the passer rating if you don't look at conversion rate. Over a larger sample, a QB who doesn't convert many 3rd downs must be converting a lot on 1st and 2nd down (Romo in 2013, for example) if he has a high passer rating.

Dak's passer rating vs. the Commanders didn't show his two lost fumbles, or any of his sacks. Passer rating measures passing efficiency, so it ignores anything that wasn't a pass attempt. Even so, passer rating is still the individual stat with the highest correlation wins.

2018
passer rating (W-L)
100+ (106-41-1)
80-99.9 (44-47-1)
<80 (24-88-2)

Excellent point.

There are a million stats out there. But what really matters is how does an individual stat correlate to wins and losses? A stat may look great or it may look terrible. But if it doesn't correlate to wins and losses, it is meaningless.

 

[JGRXXN]

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